ORS | SEASON 2 | Lexus IS-F RM Series

[GTevan1080]

Great racing guys.

I'm absolutely spewing at my performance, tried the first race on one set of tyres and ended up giving away 6 places in the last handful of laps. Tyres were so worn

Second race went hard knowing I was pitting half way, crashed lap 5, had to pit. Ended up crashing 2more times. No chance of recovering.

If you want to see something funny, check me out in about lap 15 coming onto the start finish straight. I lose it and slide sideways into the pit wall. the car for some reason showed no damage????

Ps, don't go lost, you might have had a rough time, but that can happen to anyone. This series is very competitive and no one wants to give away any race position.

Evan

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

Seems it happens to me alot .. =( every race
ill just take a few days out and play black ops and see were we go from their cause after every race im loosing the interest in the championship cant even be bothered testing lately seems to be of no importance anymore.

 

[Mic_Col]

Lost: I hope you can reconsider. But just do whatever suits you, take some time off from GT5, give it a few weeks and see how you feel.

Give that White Knight Chronicles a go, I hear it's pretty addictive

As for my race. I did both races without stopping and just turned moderate laps, passed a lot of guys who were getting repairs in pitlane . So at the end I was up in a good position, but with the downside of needing to let guys go past that were catching from behind. I was in no condition to battle them. I could have been mean and try to block . . . but likely cause a crash or something and just made some enemies.

Good finish on the 1st race spinner. It's funny what your picture shows. Becuse I actually tried to capture the same moment - pause the replay - and I timed it wrong and got it just after the line ( cars rear axle were on the line ) that position showed us as you'd expect from our time split. I was just the tinyest fraction ahead of you. I didn't take a shot of it as I figured that I had grabbed the wrong moment, but it matched what the time split said. Your show shows the correct start-finish line, but the position of the cars is not what the clock read. So like you said the actual line isn't where it's 'drawn'.

Also what was the general opinion on my self imposed penalty in race 2. To explain: using the DS3 controller with the right stick for throttle/brake I start the race by reaching my left 'pointy finger' across and hold the 'square' button to hold the brake as I use my right thumb to 'give it gas'. Then at the start I lift off the square button and launch. As you can imagine it's a little but of an awkward position. Anyway, last night I was keyed up for the start, it was at 3mins and so I'm watching the timer 57, 58, 59 when the 59 popped up on screen that's when I lifted the brake button and did a surge forwards, I quickly jumped on the brakes, but I'd jumped the start, plain as day. Any of the guys around me would have clearly seen it. So during the race I was trying to think how to do a penalty. As I was doing a no-stopper I couldn't drive in to the pits after a few laps and claim that was the penalty, doing so would get me a fresh set of tyres. So I figured that the only way to clearly serve a penalty was a 2nd last lap pitstop.

Just wondering if there's another way to do it, after the race admit to it in the lobby and get a 30sec penalty and we look at the finish times to adjust the position?? Or stop out on the track, handbrake on, bring up chat box and type the words 'I jumped the start and am serving a penalty' 3 times before re-joining the track???

I figure what I did was a pretty good form of a penalty, but it did drop me much more then I'd have guessed 5th down to 9th. But for sure I wont be jumping the start ever again.

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

Mic i think if u jumped the start just back off to the position u were starting off in thier u wont have to serve a penalty as uve dropped back to your natural position and havnt gained any advantage if not lost time due to having to drop back before the first turn..

and LMAO about that whiteknight comment.

 

[X3rx3s44]

Hi Mick,
I'm with Lost on that one, if you simply back off and make sure if you start in 9th for example, you exit turn 1 no higher than 9th and then you are covered as you have clearly gained no advantage! 👍
It is a big penalty to do a pitstop, a drive-through would be better and can be done by pressing O rather than X when you enter the pitlane and the tyre/fuel menu pops up!
Although, I still stand by my first comment that simply ensuring you do not gain an advantage on the run to turn 1 is plenty enough to avoid having the "race stewards" looking into it...

Feedback from everyone would be good on this as it is an error that could easily have been made by anyone of the competitors so we should have a unified agreement as to the way to deal with this situation...
Admitidly, the theory Lost and I have suggested will not work for the pole sitter as they could jump and keep driving so I would suggest if the pole sitter jumps they must relinquish the lead and exit turn 1 no higher than 2nd... Thoughts?...

Cheers, Xerx

 

[GTevan1080]

I agree with lost and Xerx, there was no advantaged gained, no penalty should be enforced.

Now on another matter, the next race.
Will bump drafting ( NASCAR style ) be allowed.

It is a great way to get a little more speed, but could result in collision damage. I like it , but some might feel that this is cheating. It could open up a whole new level of challenges.

Evan

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

I think giving away first place is abit harsh i think just as long as you make sure thier stuck with you into turn 1 it should be fine as everyone isnt perfect at taking off and still wouldnt be an advantage if u backed off a little bit, bit unfair on a honest mistake to loose your first place that u worked hard to qualify on. because no one intentially jumps the start...

evan i dont think alot of drivers would be happy with that as look at the little tap spinner gave me on the parade lap and it gave me right rear damage, people doiong that at speed would munt the car not to mention im sure we have tryed this in a race and its actually slower to bump draft because the striaght is so long its quicker to just draft each other over taking positions

 

[X3rx3s44]

I agree with lost and Xerx, there was no advantaged gained, no penalty should be enforced.

Now on another matter, the next race.
Will bump drafting ( NASCAR style ) be allowed?

I think giving away first place is abit harsh i think just as long as you make sure thier stuck with you into turn 1 it should be fine as everyone isnt perfect at taking off and still wouldnt be an advantage if u backed off a little bit.

Im sure we have tryed this in a race and its actually slower to bump draft because the striaght is so long its quicker to just draft each other over taking positions

Cheers for the feedback guys!

I agree Lost it is a bit harsh so your system would be better I think, as long as 2nd place is right with you going into turn 1 then no advantage has been gained! 👍

As for bump-drafting Evan, I think Lost is right again, if you simply draft, overtake and then the other person drafts you and re-overtakes you will find it is actually faster than bump-drafting around La Sarthe and removes the risk of anyone getting damaged!

On a side note, bump-drafting is good on shorter straights when there is not enough time to overtake and then become the "tow car" but when you have over 1.5km it is not necessary and adds the possibility of both people recieving damage if the closing speed it large enough. Look at Fuji for example, the start/finish straight there is 1.4km (IIRC) and you can draft, overtake and then tow someone there benefitting both drivers moreso than bump-drafting...

Also, Round 3 photos should be posted today... I have been busy all week and have not finished them yet but aim to do so in the next few hours... Hopefully!

Cheers, Xerx

 

[willco69]

i agree with Xerxes and lost also, no advantage, no penalty. You make a place up from jumping the start, give it back. done.
I do have 1 problem though.. and Xerxes, don't take it the wrong way huh?
LAG... people with lag have strange and erratic movements on their cars.. and no matter how much room you give someone with lag, Ur still in danger.. Many of us (myself included) have at some point, been lagged smashed and copped damage which has warranted a forced pit stop. This can be frustrating to say the least, and the words which come out of our mouths in the process cannot be repeated here!
To make matters worse, the LAGGEE doesn't even know he's been involved in an acco. In race 1 at deepforest, STIG and I were right behind Xerxes, keeping it clean and giving each other plenty of room, Xerxes lagged and appeared to suddenly stop, causing STIG and I to rear end him. We both had to pit, as the lag-crash resulted in engine and steering damage. However, the LAGGEE was able to continue. Not your fault Xerxes, not at all, but you can see how it affected the outcome of the race..
We sort of need to do something about this.. I dont know if anyone else has any other ideas, but i'll through some out here..
1 - MICS completley disabled in the room, and lower race quality (???)
2 - REMOTE servers (???)
3 - COMPULSORY pit stop for LAGGEE IF damage is caused to other drivers (???)
I dont know if these are any good, or if anyone else has any better ideas..
However, the LAGGEE retiring himself from the series should NOT be an option. There must be some other solution.

 

[X3rx3s44]

I dont know if anyone else has any other ideas, but i'll through some out here..
1 - MICS completley disabled in the room, and lower race quality (???)
2 - REMOTE servers (???)
3 - COMPULSORY pit stop for LAGGEE IF damage is caused to other drivers (???)
I dont know if these are any good, or if anyone else has any better ideas..
However, the LAGGEE retiring himself from the series should NOT be an option. There must be some other solution.

I completely agree mate! 👍 I don't want to do better than I deserve simply because my connection is causing issues, I have this week come to a realisation with it which should help substantially also which would be good! (At least it helped with Black Ops so here's hoping...)
But I think the ideas you have suggested are all viable! I know as I am someone with lag issues more frequently than most I am not a fan of the 3rd option but I also don't want to place better than I deserve due to inflictcing damage upon others, unintentionally or otherwise!
Additionally, my partner and I may be moving house in the next month or so as we have found a place and have an offer on it which has been accepted subject to all the usual conditions! The biggest benefit of this is the internet connection, where I am at the moment the internet seems to be far less reliable than anywhere else I have lived so with any luck if we get the place the issue should be gone regardless but we need a decision on what to do in the interim anyway so I would like to hear everyones suggestions on this!

Cheers, Xerx

 

[Mic_Col]

I think we're always going to have an issue of some sort or other. Sometimes it will be lag other times disconnections mid race. Or trouble joining the room.

If we have a system where we drop a round or two from the final points count, perhaps that can be a way to put right when someone gets a raw deal.

 

[GTevan1080]

Heres some photos of a mid race battle between oni, online and myself. the racing was fast and close.

We battled for about 3 laps with TTR a few seconds behind slowly gaining ground.

Oni finally made a few little mistakes and went in a little hot into the final corner were i slipped up the in side.

unfortunately half a lap later i hit the wall. i was still all excited from the pass.
got to learn to that a deep breath and relax, get back into a racing groove.

Oni trying to lose me in a smoke screen (ah i mean dust screen? lol)

 

[X3rx3s44]

Nice pictures Evan! 👍
I had a few from your battle I was going to include but no need, you have captured it well!
Added to the fact I already have far too many I want to have in it will be good to cut a few out...

Round 3 (Deep Forest Raceway) Highlight Reel - Photographed by X3rx3s44


Sprint Race 1:

On the grid and set for a start in Race 1 of Round 3 coming to you from Deep Forest Raceway!

Everyone gets away clean and a new Championship record field of 14 competitors scream down towards turn 1...

Rusty... We have liftoff! Oni also follows suit as the front tyres begin to peel away from the road surface!

Mike has a very up-close-and-personal moment with the rock wall at the base of the hill-climb towards the end of the second sector...
Meanwhile Rota is off exploring the beautiful scenery that Deep Forest has to offer...


Sprint Race 2:

Reverse grid of Race 1 results sees Lost promoted to Pole position and Mike sat all the way down the back in the final grid slot... This should make for some interesting racing as the quicks fight their way back to the front!

Everyone makes it through turn 1 alive as Lost opens a gap over Stig and Waynz...

All the fun of a reverse grid race and here we are just shy of half race distance, Rusty, Rota and I have been battling it out for a few laps and continually closing the gap to Stig and Waynz up front until this...
Rota is forced to take emergency avoiding action as Waynz rejoins the track (and only real racing line) on the blind crest after an incident with Stig which saw him lose control and hit the wall, causing substantial damage to his car...

Rota manages to pull right and avoid taking damage from his ailing team-mate whilst Rusty and I go on to take full advantage of the situation and jump Rota who was worst affected by the incident... It was a hairy moment for all involved to say the least!

2 laps later and Rusty had slipped up on the previous lap at the bottom of the hill, releasing me, thus allowing me to take second place and push on to get a gap to himself and Rota and close in on Stig!

With or without me the battle between Rusty and Rota surged on, with no quarter given! It was close and clean the entire time. Great demonstration of close, clean racing guys! 👍

After a few laps of pumping in the good times I was once again locked in battle, this time with Stig. He had made the move down the inside into turn 1 so I decided to do a switchback and see how it played out...

...As we exited turn 1, Stig was still ahead but if I could just get level I would have the line heading into turn 2 over the blind crest...

...Job done! 👍 Wonderful move, very little is more satisfying than a good switchback on someone who has just passed you!... Stig and I continued this back and forth battling for the lead until an unfortunate racing incident on the exit of turn 1 left Stig in the wall, at the time I was unaware if I had caused it and continued on, after watching the replay to get these photos I can now say it would appear that I had run too wide and clipped the back of Stigs car under acceleration which was enough to put him off... ...Sorry mate!

Last but not least for this week is a VERY familiar sight for those more senior participants in Oni's Championships... Mick and Spin fighting it out tooth and nail! Good stuff guys! Also, we have Mike in close company recovering from a pitstop to repair damage sustained a few laps earlier.


Well, that concludes my highlight reel for this week... It is much longer than usual but we had much more action for me to photograph this week! I took 38 photos alone from race 2 and another 14 from race 1!
I think the reverse grid certainly shook things up as it meant battles which would not occur in the 'normal' process of racing were taking place, hence giving me much more work and a harder time deciding what to include... I would have added more but it would be ridiculous... I have posted 14! Almost double my usual 8 photos from each weeks race...

Feedback as always is welcome, looking forward to testing at La Sarthe over the next few days! If someone could give me an indication (on here or XMB PM) of what a fast time is I would be greatly appreciative as I have not tested due to this taking so long and house hunting being at the forefront of my mind for much of this week!

Cheers, Xerx

 

[MikeekiM]

As Mic_Col was saying:
If we have a system where we drop a round or two from the final points count,
perhaps that can be a way to put right when someone gets a raw deal.

That seems like an interesting idea... though it might not be fair on people who have had a good run all throughout the series,
I would be keen to drop the first round where I was lagged out badly and ended up 2 laps behind.
I know there are others that have had bad results due to lag. Maybe it's something we can consider.
I also think we should try disabling mics etc to improve chances of good connection,
as I happened to see Xerx have a massive lag spike in the replay, luckily he was winning by miles so it didn't matter
Hopefully we won't encounter lag problems at de la sarthe,
as trying to limp home a car all the way around there would be a race ender.
And as always, cool pics guys, I really enjoy checking those out after the race 👍

Catch you Monday,
Mike--ekiM

 

[Rusty*]

Haha great pics Xerxes and Evan!!!👍
You captured all the moments I liked!
That shot you have of Oni and I getting air on the front left side is fantastic! My Car color is Lapis Lazuli...I'm sure everyones familiar with it...a Lexus color. Its almost black in shadows, but in that shot it looks I think it looks brilliant.

The shot where we avoid Waynz, what a shot! I really didn't have to slow much at all; as that gap opened between Rota and Waynz...I just mashed the gas (the X button for now) and roared through.

The greatest shot of them all for me personally is the shot of Rota and I battling it out through the long left hander before the back straight...It's actually pretty hard to drive fast side by side through there.
Thanks for the close clean racing mate...fantastic stuff!
It was great when I pitted and you past, then you pitted on the lap after I did...giving us both a 1 lap breather and a chance to make ground. Then you pulled out just as I was going past...straight back into battle mode...whahaaa just gold!👍

Regarding Regulations:
I agree with Lost and Xerxe, if you jump the start then backoff 'so as not to gain any advantage'.
Regarding reduced lag, everyone is to either turn off there Mic's in race or to ''put a sock in it'; and I don't mean the Mic. Haha Jokes.
La Sarthe should reduce lag as there is less fine modulation of turning and power input during the race.
Thanks to everyone for coming to the race!!!
OnlineGT

 

[Rotamasta7]

Yeah great race rusty I was loving the race til ruined it and hit the wall haha loved how close we were getting, 1 or 2 bumps between us but purely due to the fact of how close we were racing lap after lap

Obviously the jump at the start is no issue and does not deserve a penalty if no advantage is gained but I really appreciated the fact that Mick took it upon himself to do the drive through penalty, well done mate

Lost, who am I goin to test with if you leave? Haha who am I going to get bored with testing and have comps seeing who can get their fiat 500 up the hill the furthest? Don't leave mate, even take a break just like the others have said, even if your not Intested running with your normal pace, add some ballast, limit ur power and join me in the mid pack!!

Lastly we need an oni or xerx confirmation on the corner cutting rules of la sarth, do we stick to tarmac or The limitations of the track, as you can cut the blue area on corners but I don't consider it part of the "track" but would be difficult to police if we didn't race to these track limitations

 

[Mic_Col]

Lastly we need an oni or xerx confirmation on the corner cutting rules of la sarth, do we stick to tarmac or The limitations of the track, as you can cut the blue area on corners but I don't consider it part of the "track" but would be difficult to police if we didn't race to these track limitations

Yeah we had a practice session last night, this was a subject that came up. We were thinking that La Sarthe being a aero drafting track, it's likely to be a big bunch of guys moving around the track. The guys are going to be running into corners as a pack and are going to be running wide sometimes just to avoid contact. A corner that stands out is the 'top' corner that leads onto the start of the back straight. It's sort of a squeeze point. If a big mass of us want to come through there at speed, it's probably best if we allow guys to use the apron on the outside of the corner, otherwise there will be crashes.

But then there's other places on the track where the corner cutting can be an unrealistic advantage. The biggest example is the last little chicane leading onto the start/finish straight. You can do a huge cut of the last bit of that corner. Also the first corner left/right as you approach the bridgestone bridge, the second part of that again can be massively cut. The game doesn't penalty you unless you drive fully onto the yellow. We tested that

Do we have certain areas, like the turn leading onto back straight, where we can use the apron. But then others we have to stay by the standing rule of 2 wheels on the track.

Anyway like Rota said, it's going to be hard to police. Some rule breaches will have been done to avoid a bigger problem / not as a way of shaving a few tenths off.

It's almost like we need an off track official watching the race live who can monitor the field and apply penalties during the race - I know it's been done in some race series.

 

[X3rx3s44]

Rota & Mick,
Cheers for bringing this to my attention!
I had just assumed we would all say minimum 2 wheels on the intended black stuff, but I can see from what Mick is saying it may not be that simple...

What I would say, without testing there yet myself would be that, IMO, we should uphold the normal 2 wheels on the tarmac at ALL times rule but then also say that mid-race if you are battling with someone (or a group) and have no-where else to go, it is acceptable to use the outside (ONLY) apron to avoid serious contact! Use of the inside apron will be serverely frowned upon...

Particularly on the corner that Mick is talking about which turns right onto the Mulsanne straights as it is a bottle-neck at times. As for the chicanes along Mulsanne and the two at the end of the lap and the first chicane, these MUST NOT be cut! (i.e. The aprons are not allowed!) As huge time advantages can be made up there. If for whatever reason you do cut one, by mistake or otherwise, MAKE SURE you gain NO ADVANTAGE of position or time!

I WILL be watching! If I find anyone, or hear of anyone (and subsequently find them) in breach of this without due reason, penalties will be applied!

We are all good drivers and are perfectly capable of racing without need to cut corners. I am willing to let the use of the outside apron slide if it is for the purposes of avoiding contact, but I don't want to see people using them for time advantages, we had the same issue last week at Deep Forest with the cement slab on the inside of turn 4 and I did not see anyone (and I WAS looking!) intentionally cut this corner, some very close calls where people were just cutting it in the heat of battle, but not enough to give a time advantage and that is fine with me! 👍

How does that sound for a ruling...?

Cheers, Xerx

 

[Rotamasta7]

Yep im all good with that ruling now that its been said i doubt anyone will bother cutting at all, thanks xerx

 

[Mic_Col]

If you do it make sure there's no advantage gained. But try to stay 2 wheels on black stuff.

That's what I figured was the best option. Good to have an answer / ruling.

 

[spinner]

Regarding grid up and qual positions:
Last week at race 1 I noted my qual position (#8) when instructed to - waiting in pit lane after qual had finished . When we went to track , I started in #7. After the parade lap , #8 was taken , so I started back in #10 (because I assumed I would be able to move forward into 8 when the car in front went to their grid position)
To avoid confusion , should we start where we are placed on track at the start of the parade lap ? The alternative (stated above) didn't work for me last week.

The other alternative is for one person to type out the quali order in the chat box. Last week it seemed the order varied depending on who you asked.

My actual starting position doesn't bother me much , what does bother me is when we say "okay we will be doing it this way" and then it appears we do something else. Confusing.

Also , the grid at La Sarthe is a sea of white lines with markings for bikes as well as cars , might pay to familiarise ourselves with it before the race. I don't think 16th grid is around the bend in the last chicane but I will be checking that out too.

This is going to be an interesting race , It will be more of a nascar like strategy than our usual races I think. Sticking with a group to draft will be key , getting dropped or out of sync will cost a lot of lap time.

 

[Rusty*]

Sounds good to me Xerxe, also Spinner I think your idea of '1 person only typing the Grid order' is a good idea.

Also just as Rota said, well done to Mick for taking the initiative to do the drive-through that must of been a tough call for you to make. You have helped the series out by bringing up the issue of the correct form of penalty for jumping the start.👍

R*

 

[waynz]

Regarding grid up and qual positions:
Last week at race 1 I noted my qual position (#8) when instructed to - waiting in pit lane after qual had finished . When we went to track , I started in #7. After the parade lap , #8 was taken , so I started back in #10 (because I assumed I would be able to move forward into 8 when the car in front went to their grid position)
To avoid confusion , should we start where we are placed on track at the start of the parade lap ? The alternative (stated above) didn't work for me last week.

It didn't work because Oni had it set to "Reverse grid based on previous race result". So the reverse grid would work fine. Hence why he always asks to note your positions.

I think with the parade lap at Le Mans, because of the length I think EVERYONE (me included) should slow the **** down so we don't hit anyone. I'm not saying enforce a speed limit that would be spastic, but keep a good distance so we don't hit one another.

 

[X3rx3s44]

I think with the parade lap at Le Mans, because of the length I think EVERYONE (me included) should slow the 🤬 down so we don't hit anyone. I'm not saying enforce a speed limit, but keep a good distance so we don't hit one another.

+1 👍
We may not even need to slow down all that much due to massively long straights, but maintain big gaps between each car to avoid any chance of contact!

 

[spinner]

Agreed on the parade lap Waynz. After last week I'll be trying to stay away from anything and everyone !

My cockpit as as good as finished , I have a few other bits in the pipeline but it is functional and comfortable for now. The ultimate plan is to fit the current 32" TV and PS3 to it and remove it from the loungeroom completely.


cp6 by spinnerpics1, on Flickr

 

[MikeekiM]

I think what happened with the qualifying is that some people exited to the pits via the pause menu rather than driving into the pits,
selecting your tyres, then pressing pause so the car stays in the pits.

Rota explained to me (I was clueless ) that if you drive into the pits your position on the list will stay where it should be,
rather than going to pits via the pause menu, which will put you at the bottom of the list, reguardless of what time you set.

If all of us either park out of the way on track or drive into the pits when we're happy with our qualifying time,
it should be easy to write out our positions

Either it was that or we experienced GT5 glitch no. 5,678,976.

Also sweet cockpit Spin! Looks awesome 👍

Cheers, Mike--ekiM

 

[Rotamasta7]

Was talking to a few of the boys when testing and i just want clear something up as we all do different things whn a faster bloke is trying to overtake you, I think we should stick to the rule that if someone is approaching from behind at a higher speed you should hold your line and let them do the over taking, as I have seen some move out of the way for faster people with a draft and i think we need an agreement on one method to prevent some silly mistakes haha

 

[X3rx3s44]

Was talking to a few of the boys when testing and i just want clear something up as we all do different things whn a faster bloke is trying to overtake you, I think we should stick to the rule that if someone is approaching from behind at a higher speed you should hold your line and let them do the over taking, as I have seen some move out of the way for faster people with a draft and i think we need an agreement on one method to prevent some silly mistakes haha

Well...

The general rule is, if you are not battling directly with someone or are not intentionally attempting to block someone then you do not deviate from your current line (i.e. hold your line).

This reduces the risk of having an accident happen! I agree it is really nice when someone just moves aside to let you past but at the same time, if closing speeds are large and you are battling as you catch someone, the worst thing that can happen is that they suddenly move across the track... This is because you are normally paying more attention to those you are battling with and can easily be caught out!

I have had this happen to me on numerous occasions when racing karts (and GT5, but predominantly karting) and as a result the karting rules state that people being lapped or going slow should hold their line and not move to avoid causing an accident, as a result, I would suggest that this is the best system to employ as it makes things easier for everyone if we all follow the same principals and are not wondering what to do as we are catching (or being caught ).

Cheers, Xerx

 

[Rotamasta7]

haha ok sorry maybe i didnt get my point across xerx :S my fault, but yeh thats exactly what i meant to say, we should all hold out lines if someone is coming up at speed from behind. thanks for clearing it up mate

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

after a week of no gt-5 good luck to all the drivers for de lar sarthe , ill jump in the race at monza in the rain but thats all,
Oh and mick re your earlier comment about white knight chroniciles i just about brought it the other day i was in the store and was tossing up between la noire dirt 3 and that game LOL, sad it even came with white knight chronicles 1 with number 2

see u for some testing spin for the teggy!