ORS | SEASON 2 | Lexus IS-F RM Series

[X3rx3s44]

I'll try my best to explain. It's basically a relay race between teams. The host organizes a corner on the track to be the 'tag spot' where you give your team mate the nudge start onto his lap. Depending on how many drivers there are to how big/ many teams there are. Also how many laps get completed overall as each team player does a lap.

To makes the relay more interesting you can also make it so each team driver runs a different drivetype. Each individual team decides who races in what drive type and also who starts the race off!
Honestly Tag race's are so much fun, as it relies on the speed of the whole team, you truly race as a team...not everyman for himself so to speak.👍

That sounds awesome mate. 👍 I'm very keen to do that sometime soon.

I'd suggest you watch your ba.......legs Xerxe's.

Yeah, I think I will have to sleep with one eye open for a while... At least until the next natural disaster hits NZ...


Cheers, Bomber

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

LMAO!!!
And I'm the Shady one? Devious Kiwi's i don't know, I'd suggest you watch your ba.......legs Xerxe's.
R*

hay something to grab onto and it pulls back bruv plus it gets shiped over after when were done for youse to munch on.... yukki ozzys

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

👍:tup:I do have to say ROTA SINNER EVAN AND MICK gave me a BIG run for my money throughout the championship with the tyres regs it was excellent even tho i knew i shoulda been up front i havnt battled with them before and it was intense like i was battling X and oni was good fun spinner u have come along way mate and mick i havnt seen anyone as glentleman like and consistant as you bud hats off to you !!

TAITIAL AND WILCO well i cant say much for youse i know you 2 were both capable of being in the fast category as taital and wilco proved track after track doing the fastest laps insane..."If you feel in control you aren't going fast enough." It was good racing with people i dont normaly race with at race pace

bitches calling i am out see u

 

[mrtaital]

Hey Gents, congratulations to all who competed in Oni's latest series... was enjoyable, even though we all lost it at some stage, i guess at the end of the day, "thats racing".
I think one of the biggest improvements I saw was Spin_doctor, well done mate. Wagon Wheel also lifted his game towards the end of the series, good **** mate. Big congrats to 'princess' also, being the youngest one in the series and coming in second - good stuff.
On another note, my steering wheel shat itself last night (logitech GT driving force) so I HAD to buy another one today I had a look at the G27 ($499) and the same logitech GT ($189).. In my ametuer opinion, I cant see why the G27 is so much more expensive (other than a few bits of metal and a 3rd pedal) when the Logitech GT force has an adjustment nob which lets you adjust brake balance, traction and 4wd on the fly.. Anyone care to explain?
Cheers. BB

Barbie always playing with his knob, now we know why he crashes

 

[waynz]

+1 for the relay races...

Also my vote in track. (picking just 5 was hard enough...)

Nurburgring Nordschleife (Dusk race if it's OK),
Grand Valley Speedway,
Circuit De Madrid,
Indy - Road Course,
Daytona Road...

Happy face

 

[X3rx3s44]

+1 for the relay races...

Also my vote in track. (picking just 5 was hard enough...)

Nurburgring Nordschleife (Dusk race if it's OK),
Grand Valley Speedway,
Circuit De Madrid,
Indy - Road Course,
Daytona Road...

Happy face

o.O That's two votes now...!


Ok, now on to more important matters, the final photoshoot of the season and what a cracking race it was! As Spin has eluded to earlier, lap times were very close the whole way down the field so the race came down to tyre management and penalty/damage avoidance...


Round 8 - Season Finale (Fuji Speedway F) Highlight Reel - Photographed by X3rx3s44

This is how the grid looked for the season finale... I had managed to cap off what has been a good season with my 3rd pole position and my 6th front row start.

As we all make it through the first turn safely, the field is still well bunched and that does not change for a good few laps to come, everyone drove fantastic, clean races, a very fitting end to a very enjoyable season. 👍

To mirror what Taital had said in his photoshoot, it was clean and extremely tight at the top as the lead 4 cars make their way through the left hand hairpin in the middle of the circuit with the next 6 cars in very close company.

A few laps in and Oni sits back ready to strike at the first sign of weakness as Stig puts a move on Taital into the chicane...

Another couple of laps in and Oni makes his move as he slides down the inside of both Stig and I after getting a double tow, from myself getting a tow from Stig...

Unfortunately for Oni his time in the lead was short-lived as he opted to take a penalty rather than risk and accident after out-braking himself at the turn 3 left-hander... The worst part was that Stig and I had moved over to let him back on un-hindered and without risk of an accident... Fortunately however, he fed back into the middle of the battle between Mike, Waynz and Rusty so all was not lost.

Lap 12 ends and the first round of pitstops start for the main battle pack with Waynz, Mike, Rusty and Stig all taking service together.

The laps continue to tumble and I catch Willco who is on a different pit strategy, fortunately I caught him just as he was pitting for his second scheduled stop so no time was lost battling and what's more, I got a free tow along the straight as he pulled right to take to pit-lane... Cheers Willco!

The second round of stops have been made and the battle continues to roll on with Mike, Rusty, Stig and Oni all going blow for blow in an effort to catch the guys ahead...

My pit strategy may have been what helped me across the line this week and as I exited the pits I could see an orange spec in my mirrors, by turn 3 that orange spec had turned into Waynz and my mirrors were full... Such was the speed differential as you exit pit-lane! The battle was on as we tried to gain the advantage over on another whilst not giving away time to Taital out in front...

Eventually I got a bit of a gap to Waynz and set about chasing down Taital who was by that stage struggling on well worn mediums. I caught up and I'm not sure if it was pressure or tyre wear but Taital went into the chicane too hot and comprimised his exit allowing me to seize the initiative and make a run around the outside on the way up the hill...

A few laps later, Waynz and Taital were locked in battle, they swapped position numerous times but this was the decisive move as Waynz got down the inside into the hairpin, good racing to watch guys.

A couple of laps from the end and Taital had almost nothing left in terms of rubber and was once again under attack, this time from Oni and Rusty... Here Oni makes a great move by going the long way around at the exit of the chicane, the extra grip he had available gave him the drive and advantage on the run up the hill.

As everyone crossed the line there were no finishes (this week) as close as this one between Mike and Stig...

Finally, the last picture in my highlight reel can be of no-one other than Spinner as he crosses the line for the final time. He was the only competitor this season to start and be classified at the conclusion of every race. Well done mate! 👍


That's all folks...

Hope everyone has enjoyed the highlight reels throughout the course of the championship and I look forward to getting many more great snaps once the new championship kicks off!


Cheers, Bomber

 

[MikeekiM]

Special Stage Route 5
Clubman Stage Route 5
Road Course Indy
Rome
And guess what... Circuito De Madrid!

I don't know what people's thoughts are on this, or whether it's been decided, but I'd suggest light damage for next series.
Just because sometimes the tiniest tap at the wrong angle can end your race, or someone elses, and I think we're all clean enough to not need the added incentive of damage.
That said, we should all be clean enough not to hit each other lol, and the damage does add another aspect of realism to the series, which is good.
Thoughts?

Also, sweet pics Xerx, cheers to everyone who posted them up during the series,
and to Xerx again and Oni for hosting and organisational duties

 

[mrtaital]

A few ideas I want to put public for next series.

1) hold a qualify session on softs in a suggested car to see what speed differences, I think it's the way to find out if we still need a tyre restrictions when eliminating the tuning aspect

2) if we keep the tyre rule I believe it should be integrated in qualifying aswell, it gives those slower guys a chance to start further up instead of down the back which gives them confidence

3) we may need to look at reducing laps a tad, because there's no tuning aspect, we can't limit the LSD settings which is going to hammer tyres which forces more stops and opens the field up more, the best way to do this is calculate on the new car how long tyres can be pushed on a 1 stop strategy but just a bit over for a 2 stop strategy

4) even though I get damage every race I feel it's an important factor in keeping the racing clean, having light damage may change drivers to do a bomber more often and more risks as the damage will repair, in racing there's bad luck stories of hitting spinning cars (sorry barbie) but it's a part of motor sport

5) loving the track suggestions option ONI.

My track votes,

1. Nurburgring GP/F
2. Fuji (either variation)
3. Rome (use this as a sprint)
4. Trial Mountain Reverse
5. Grand Valley East (sprint format)

 

[willco69]

A few ideas I want to put public for next series.

4) even though I get damage every race I feel it's an important factor in keeping the racing clean, having light damage may change drivers to do a bomber more often and more risks as the damage will repair, in racing there's bad luck stories of hitting spinning cars (sorry barbie) but it's a part of motor sport

All good cobba.. and I agree, damage should stay on heavy - makes it all that more realistic i reckon.. HOWEVER.. there is one thing id love to see changed..
N O P E N A L T I E S!!!!!

 

[Bennyjohnson]

A few ideas I want to put public for next series.

1) hold a qualify session on softs in a suggested car to see what speed differences, I think it's the way to find out if we still need a tyre restrictions when eliminating the tuning aspect

2) if we keep the tyre rule I believe it should be integrated in qualifying aswell, it gives those slower guys a chance to start further up instead of down the back which gives them confidence

3) we may need to look at reducing laps a tad, because there's no tuning aspect, we can't limit the LSD settings which is going to hammer tyres which forces more stops and opens the field up more, the best way to do this is calculate on the new car how long tyres can be pushed on a 1 stop strategy but just a bit over for a 2 stop strategy

4) even though I get damage every race I feel it's an important factor in keeping the racing clean, having light damage may change drivers to do a bomber more often and more risks as the damage will repair, in racing there's bad luck stories of hitting spinning cars (sorry barbie) but it's a part of motor sport

5) loving the track suggestions option ONI.

My track votes,

1. Nurburgring GP/F
2. Fuji (either variation)
3. Rome (use this as a sprint)
4. Trial Mountain Reverse
5. Grand Valley East (sprint format)

Can I just offer my views on this from the perspective of one of the guys that will most likely be handicapped by tyres? Not trying to **** stir, just want to get every angle out there.

1. Obviously, it's fine with me and should be ok with everyone to handicap the series again, provided it's even and fair, we can work out an option that makes the racing fun and not frustrating. I think one thing we learned from last series is that a handicap is only good if it doesn't alter the racing i.e. we don't run the hard compound, because that tyre is just so terrible that it should be shot and burned.

2. The thing is, you shouldn't be 100% handicapped because you're quicker. I want to have a close race from 1st to last, but intergrating it into qually will mean that if one of the handicapped guys gets a good result, all we'll be saying is "oh well he got it cause he was running softs". It's not fair that the quicker guys should lose the advantage of being quick completely, it should be partly on the guys that aren't at the front to be trying to improve their pace.

3. I'm fine with Lap reduction if the tyres kark it to early, but I'm also fine to keep it long. Fading tyres opens up strategy, which is another element that would make racing very fun this series.

4. Agree wholeheartedly. Apart from tight street circuits (like Madrid), Full damage should be applied. I've been taken out of a race at no fault of my own (that's not a shot at anyone, just pointing it out) and it's still an aspect that should be kept. Very important that the racing is clean, and if it's not, you should pay the price. If you're on the receiving end, that's just unfortunate but it's still apart of it.

Cheers.

 

[waynz]

3) we may need to look at reducing laps a tad, because there's no tuning aspect, we can't limit the LSD settings which is going to hammer tyres which forces more stops and opens the field up more, the best way to do this is calculate on the new car how long tyres can be pushed on a 1 stop strategy but just a bit over for a 2 stop strategy

This depends on tyres/track/compound... The way I see it is like where using Pirelli P-Zero's this time ... The emphasis is on the strategy more so than ever. So changing the laps to suit the tyre life would only make for predictable racing and because all cars are the same ,underneath wise, it should make for boring races.

I disagree with this.. sorry wagon but I like the randomness a race can throw you.

 

[Oniichan]

A few ideas I want to put public for next series.

1) hold a qualify session on softs in a suggested car to see what speed differences, I think it's the way to find out if we still need a tyre restrictions when eliminating the tuning aspect

2) if we keep the tyre rule I believe it should be integrated in qualifying aswell, it gives those slower guys a chance to start further up instead of down the back which gives them confidence

3) we may need to look at reducing laps a tad, because there's no tuning aspect, we can't limit the LSD settings which is going to hammer tyres which forces more stops and opens the field up more, the best way to do this is calculate on the new car how long tyres can be pushed on a 1 stop strategy but just a bit over for a 2 stop strategy

4) even though I get damage every race I feel it's an important factor in keeping the racing clean, having light damage may change drivers to do a bomber more often and more risks as the damage will repair, in racing there's bad luck stories of hitting spinning cars (sorry barbie) but it's a part of motor sport

5) loving the track suggestions option ONI.

1. Already decided that. Great minds think alike mate. Qualifier will take place in a car that is not related to the series. It will be a random car i choose (i will notify you all before the qualifier happens) from the recommended list.

2. Yes that will be implemented. Why some may ask? Well you need to look at the lap times to know why. The guys running softs (apart from Willco/Taital) are doing lap times almost identical or slightly slower then the fast guys in mediums. The reason i am doing this is simple. To give the guys at the back a chance of getting more points via pole position and more fighting chance. It is NOT FAIR that only the fastest guys are allowed to have pole position and to fight for it. The guys at the back should be fighting just as hard during qualifying. So this will make it happen. You can cry/moan all you want but this is being implemented.

3. All races are going to be the usual 1hour long.

4. Yes damage will remain on Heavy as it makes the racing more real and as Taital says reduces the chance of people getting more aggressive causing damage cause it will be repaired.

5. Cheers. I'm still waiting on a few more from Spinner, Mic, Evan (if they are participating in the next series).

 

[willco69]

3. All races are going to be the usual 1hour long.

4. Yes damage will remain on Heavy as it makes the racing more real and as Taital says reduces the chance of people getting more aggressive causing damage cause it will be repaired.

Sweet mate. Are you willing to discuss penalties? 💡

 

[X3rx3s44]

Special Stage Route 5
Clubman Stage Route 5
Road Course Indy
Rome
And guess what... Circuito De Madrid!

Also, sweet pics Xerx, cheers to everyone who posted them up during the series,
and to Xerx again and Oni for hosting and organisational duties

Cheers mate glad to do what I can to make things run better.

Also... 3 votes!

A few ideas I want to put public for next series.

1) hold a qualify session on softs in a suggested car to see what speed differences, I think it's the way to find out if we still need a tyre restrictions when eliminating the tuning aspect

2) if we keep the tyre rule I believe it should be integrated in qualifying aswell, it gives those slower guys a chance to start further up instead of down the back which gives them confidence

3) we may need to look at reducing laps a tad, because there's no tuning aspect, we can't limit the LSD settings which is going to hammer tyres which forces more stops and opens the field up more, the best way to do this is calculate on the new car how long tyres can be pushed on a 1 stop strategy but just a bit over for a 2 stop strategy

4) even though I get damage every race I feel it's an important factor in keeping the racing clean, having light damage may change drivers to do a bomber more often and more risks as the damage will repair, in racing there's bad luck stories of hitting spinning cars (sorry barbie) but it's a part of motor sport.

1) Agreed.

2) Agreed.

3) Disagree, I am of the same opinion as Waynz, the fact that we do x number of laps because that is what we can do in ~1hr is great because it means that there are no guarantees on pit stretegy, some people might choose to do a 1-stop some may choose a 3-stop but either way every round is different... No need to make it stale by having everyne doing the same strategy week in, week out.

4) Agreed. However, "do a bomber"... Seriously...? Ever feel like your flogging a dead horse... Mate, the move was on, Waynz has said nothing to the contrary and it was he who should have a grievance if anyone does... I caught him napping slightly (as he said) and took advantage, get over it. I'm fine with the nickname, I could not care less but this constant nitpicking...? Are you 12? Just because when we reached the braking point I was not completely alongside does not make it a 'bad' move. Watch some real motorsports and have a look how far people outbrake others from... I did not overshoot, I did nothing underhanded, I simply took advantage of the situation... Matter of fact, I have a YouTube clip of Kamui Kobayashi who is known for his ability under brakes... Look at the third clip from Brazil (0:20s-0:35s) when he passes the Ferrari... Notice the similarities to what I did...? That was labelled as a brilliant move by the commentators during the race... FFS move on mate... 👎

I've been taken out of a race at no fault of my own (that's not a shot at anyone, just pointing it out)...

Didn't interpret it as being so mate, I have always maintained that I 🤬 up, like you said, no fault of your own. It is people who carry-on about something which they seemingly have no clue about which is frustrating... (Not pointing the finger... )


EDIT:
Just for clarification, my move was not as late or from as far back as that in the clip either...

 

[Mic_Col]

Track suggestions from me:

Laguna Seca
Cape Ring - Periphery
Monza ( weather )
Nurburgring GP/F
La Sarthe ( weather )

Good pictures above again Xerx! Like the commentary.

 

[Bennyjohnson]

1. Already decided that. Great minds think alike mate. Qualifier will take place in a car that is not related to the series. It will be a random car i choose (i will notify you all before the qualifier happens) from the recommended list.

2. Yes that will be implemented. Why some may ask? Well you need to look at the lap times to know why. The guys running softs (apart from Willco/Taital) are doing lap times almost identical or slightly slower then the fast guys in mediums. The reason i am doing this is simple. To give the guys at the back a chance of getting more points via pole position and more fighting chance. It is NOT FAIR that only the fastest guys are allowed to have pole position and to fight for it. The guys at the back should be fighting just as hard during qualifying. So this will make it happen. You can cry/moan all you want but this is being implemented.

3. All races are going to be the usual 1hour long.

4. Yes damage will remain on Heavy as it makes the racing more real and as Taital says reduces the chance of people getting more aggressive causing damage cause it will be repaired.

5. Cheers. I'm still waiting on a few more from Spinner, Mic, Evan (if they are participating in the next series).

Don't think anyone will cry/moan about things like this, especially me. I just wanted to voice my opinion on the issue.

I think that the race is a good place to impliment a handicap, but qualifying to me has always been a "the fastest guy get's pole"

EDIT: This might be taken out of context so let me give you an example of why I feel a handicap in qualifying is bad, I understand the decision and the reasoning behind it being in place, but all the same:

Say Person A and Person B are handicapped and are running the medium tyre, and Person C is not and is running the soft.

Person A does a lap time and says "that was pretty good, I don't think there is much improvement.

Person B does a lap time and beats person A by 1-2 tenths and says "That was pretty much the maximum, theres probably only half a tenth extra to find".

Person C then comes out and does a laptime 3-4 tenths better than Person B.

Person A and Person B will obviously draw a conclusion that Person C only got pole because he was on soft tyres.

While Person's A and B are both looking for the maximum, Person C isn't, and that's what qualifying is. Looking for the absolute maximum.

Just my thoughts, no whinging or complaining, I am happy to have the handicap in qually!

 

[waynz]

EDIT:
Just for clarification, my move was not as late or from as far back as that in the clip either...

How about from 1:16 - 1:26 ... Now that is one sexy overtake...

 

[GTevan1080]

Five tracks for the vote is

Fuji F
Monza wet
La Sarthe night/day
Deep forest reverse
Indy road circuit

Evan

 

[X3rx3s44]

I think that the race is a good place to impliment a handicap, but qualifying to me has always been a "the fastest guy get's pole"

I think this should still be the case for the majority of the time depending on how Oni chooses to implement the system.

My first thought on it was that with the three tier system, drivers would run their "unlimited" tyre in qualifying, so that, tiers one and two would use Mediums for qualifying as they are their repective "unlimited" tyres and then tier three would be allowed to qualify on Softs as they are their "unlimited" tyre. What this should achieve is a levelling of the playing field by bringing the tier three guys up to the lap pace of the tier one and two drivers which as results this season have shown is quite similar.

I don't think we can allow tier two drivers to run the same rubber in qualifying as the tier three drivers solely because this will effectively achieve nothing because the tier threes will not be faster than tier twos on the same rubber (in most cases) and the tier threes will not be faster than the tier ones on one grade lower rubber (in most cases) so we end up with the tier threes still qualifying down the back end of the grid and the objective of the exercise has been lost.

Just my thoughts on the issue...


Cheers, Bomber

 

[Bennyjohnson]

If it's implimented properly, then that's no problem.

But it's hard given that we are limited to two sets of tyres for 16 guys all with different skill levels.

I mean, I'm all for giving guys a legup, but as long as it's just a legup and not a step ladder.

 

[X3rx3s44]

How about from 1:16 - 1:26 ... Now that is one sexy overtake...

Indeed it is! He was on fire at his home GP that day... Certainly had his Weet-Bix for breakfast that morning...

 

[Mic_Col]

Speaking as a tier 3 . . . I wouldn't like the idea of being given a boost in Quali.

I feel quali should be a level playing field and that the grid is a true showing of the guys lap-times / pace. Becoming a contest in it's own right where tyre differences are not in effect.

Plus if I was to pull off a screamer of a lap ( It could happen ) and got pole. It would feel like a hollow victory.

 

[GTevan1080]

I'm with Mick on this one. Faster drivers should be up the front after qualifying. Last thing I want to do is hold up a faster driver, there is enough time in the race to make up positions with different tyre and pitting strategies.

I like the three tier tyre system hope it stays.

Evan

 

[GTevan1080]

Just for interest sake I think it would be good to test tier 1 on hards, tier 2 on meds, and tier3 on softs. I know the drivers on hards said they were terrible, but they were still faster on these tyres than the slower drivers.

Maybe Xerx, mic and me should do some testing to see the results?

Just a though!!

Evan

 

[mrtaital]

Cheers mate glad to do what I can to make things run better.

Also... 3 votes!

1) Agreed.

2) Agreed.

3) Disagree, I am of the same opinion as Waynz, the fact that we do x number of laps because that is what we can do in ~1hr is great because it means that there are no guarantees on pit stretegy, some people might choose to do a 1-stop some may choose a 3-stop but either way every round is different... No need to make it stale by having everyne doing the same strategy week in, week out.

4) Agreed. However, "do a bomber"... Seriously...? Ever feel like your flogging a dead horse... Mate, the move was on, Waynz has said nothing to the contrary and it was he who should have a grievance if anyone does... I caught him napping slightly (as he said) and took advantage, get over it. I'm fine with the nickname, I could not care less but this constant nitpicking...? Are you 12? Just because when we reached the braking point I was not completely alongside does not make it a 'bad' move. Watch some real motorsports and have a look how far people outbrake others from... I did not overshoot, I did nothing underhanded, I simply took advantage of the situation... Matter of fact, I have a YouTube clip of Kamui Kobayashi who is known for his ability under brakes... Look at the third clip from Brazil (0:20s-0:35s) when he passes the Ferrari... Notice the similarities to what I did...? That was labelled as a brilliant move by the commentators during the race... FFS move on mate... 👎

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N9A-E2pS7g">YouTube Link</a>

Didn't interpret it as being so mate, I have always maintained that I 🤬 up, like you said, no fault of your own. It is people who carry-on about something which they seemingly have no clue about which is frustrating... (Not pointing the finger... )

EDIT:
Just for clarification, my move was not as late or from as far back as that in the clip either...

The fact you took that in that way is not what I mentioned, I only was using that term as we all know it and to add a bit of humor to the post, wasn't a personal dig by any means dude. But honestly harden up and stop whinging, if you're innocent then you have no need to defend yourself. I am not singling you out, if you have a problem with it then find the user guide on how to get over something and have a read

 

[X3rx3s44]

Just for interest sake I think it would be good to test tier 1 on hards, tier 2 on meds, and tier3 on softs. I know the drivers on hards said they were terrible, but they were still faster on these tyres than the slower drivers.

Maybe Xerx, mic and me should do some testing to see the results?

Just a though!!

Evan

I would be happy to have a test run using a configuration like this. 👍

We should also test the soft, medium and hard sports tyres also as we may be running those in the next series as we are back to road cars rather than racing cars...

Send me a message on PSN when it suits you both and we will do some testing runs.

Cheers, Bomber

 

[DanRicciardo]

I think handicaps are a stupid idea. To be fast, you guys need to practise, not practising is what's causing you to be slower in some place. Me at grandvalley for example. I didn't practise all week, turned up to qualy thinking I could take you guys on, but I was more than a second off the pace, I qualified 5th and had a bad race aswell.

If you actually put the time in to practising a couple of times a week, then you'd do much better. Of course, some are just naturals, Oni doesn't even practise until the day of the race as far as I know, and it seems like xerx doesn't practise half as much as me.

 

[GTevan1080]

Of course practice makes you faster as you learn the track, but the handicap system is not there to help people that haven't practice.

How many of the guys in the fast group have wheels and are they as fast with the ds3 controller?

As a ds3 user I find the tighter the track, the harder to get lap times like the fast boys, more open tracks such as la sarthe and fuji I'm more on the pace.
I had a shocker at grand valley and deep forest, but did much better at la Sarthe and fuji ( even though I finished 10th)

I wish I had a wheel and hopefully I'll get one soon.

Just my 2 cents

Evan

 

[DanRicciardo]

How many of the guys in the fast group have wheels and are they as fast with the ds3 controller?

I have a friend on PSN, who up until he got a wheel about 2-3 months ago, was just as fast as me on GT5 at any track.

 

[GTevan1080]

I have a friend on PSN, who up until he got a wheel about 2-3 months ago, was just as fast as me on GT5 at any track.

As I was writing my post about ds3 vs wheels a little thought in my head said this might backfire.