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No, please god no! NOT THE HARD TYRE! 
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Hey good post Evan,
It does raise a question for me...who else out of Tier 1 driver's use a DS3?
Don't tell me I'm the only one?
Regarding a driver's speed transition from DS3 to Wheel I have this to say:
You have to look at what makes you fast with a controller!
They are:
A). Probably most important is your Brain-Hand coordination.
B). Your brains ability to attain a very high level of focus.
C). Your brains ability to maintain that level of focus.
Obviously you have to know the track and car...how to tune if thats an issue etc.
This is my opinion so chill; but I personally think that to be very fast and use a Controller is more 'brain-taxing' if you know what I mean.
With a wheel you have the advantage of not having to focus so hard on car control; this lets you put alot more focus on your racing line!
The difference between Controller vs Wheel pace is most evident over a longer race...where if your using a controller...pushing to the limit...you will eventually get a loss of focus that will lower your pace earlier than those using a wheel.
Bottom line; if your fast with a Controller, you will be very fast with a Wheel...after practice. You will at least be more consistent over longer periods of time.
Regarding how my pace is affected per track...its simple really...if the track requires alot of careful throttle and brake modulation (Car control), that is more taxing for me. Hence running crappy tyres emphasizes the benefit of using a wheel. Use good rubber and the gap closes.
About qualifying on different tyres; I don't won't to cause any trouble, however that rule would only work if those running in Tier 1 and 2 are not going to be over-eager to pass any Tier 3 guys that qualied in front of them.
Otherwise there will be more carnage and subsequient problems than any other series. I'm happy either way but if it does get the Nod from Oni, then its going to require good sportsmanship and no over-eagerness!
Peace,
Rusty
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- spinner_660
Ive been flat out at work the last 2 days , had a lot of catching up to do reading all this !
First of all my track votes:
Trial Mtn.
SS 5
Grand Valley east
Nurb GP F
and finally jumping on Waynz idea , a dusk race at Nurb 24 or Nordschlief.
Ideally start in late afternoon , finish just on dark. Time set on 1. (very specific I know !)
I love dusk racing , so many factors that make it special. The changing light , shadows on the course , sun in your eyes on certain sections of the course , and the changing level of grip at the sun disappears and the tarmac cools. Add to that , it looks stunning with the soft light , car headlights on and sunset coloured skies. Makes for great photo opportunities ! (phew ! got that out of my system
)
Next , the handicap system. It has been demonstrated , especially at the last race at Fuji , that it works well and that we have the categories nailed at the moment.
I'd vote to keep it as is , quali as we did at Fuji prior to round 1 and also all drivers to quali on the same tyre , whatever that may be. As pointed out above , quali should reward the fastest driver.
Wheel vs DS3: I was on a controller since GT1 , whats that like 13 years ? I've been on a wheel for about 3 months now and I've just gotten to a similar pace that I was with the controller. I can't see that changing in the short term. I use the wheel purely because it's a more enjoyable experience. If I was out to win at all costs , I would have stayed with the controller. I can still catch a spin and / or recover from a lose much quicker with a DS3 and driving aggressively at 10 / 10ths is a lot easier for me on a controller.
I think thats all ....
edit: Hang on one more thing...
Personally , I find having to deal with whatever rules are thrown at me is a big percentage of the challenge. (I may possibly be a bit of a masochist in that aspect.....)
First of all my track votes:
Trial Mtn.
SS 5
Grand Valley east
Nurb GP F
and finally jumping on Waynz idea , a dusk race at Nurb 24 or Nordschlief.
Ideally start in late afternoon , finish just on dark. Time set on 1. (very specific I know !)
I love dusk racing , so many factors that make it special. The changing light , shadows on the course , sun in your eyes on certain sections of the course , and the changing level of grip at the sun disappears and the tarmac cools. Add to that , it looks stunning with the soft light , car headlights on and sunset coloured skies. Makes for great photo opportunities ! (phew ! got that out of my system
)Next , the handicap system. It has been demonstrated , especially at the last race at Fuji , that it works well and that we have the categories nailed at the moment.
I'd vote to keep it as is , quali as we did at Fuji prior to round 1 and also all drivers to quali on the same tyre , whatever that may be. As pointed out above , quali should reward the fastest driver.
Wheel vs DS3: I was on a controller since GT1 , whats that like 13 years ? I've been on a wheel for about 3 months now and I've just gotten to a similar pace that I was with the controller. I can't see that changing in the short term. I use the wheel purely because it's a more enjoyable experience. If I was out to win at all costs , I would have stayed with the controller. I can still catch a spin and / or recover from a lose much quicker with a DS3 and driving aggressively at 10 / 10ths is a lot easier for me on a controller.
I think thats all ....
edit: Hang on one more thing...
Personally , I find having to deal with whatever rules are thrown at me is a big percentage of the challenge. (I may possibly be a bit of a masochist in that aspect.....
)
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DanRicciardo
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Another thing with the DS3 is that you have to fully rely on your eyes because there is no FFB to let you know you're in a slide. I struggle on racing games that have little or no FFB (like F1 2010), you just have no feel of what the car is doing.
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- X3rx3s44
Well, the Wheel vs. DS3 thing...
I personally agree with both Rusty and Spinner combined.
I agree with Rusty that it is more taxing over an extended period of time on the DS3 than the Wheel but then as Spinner said, pace wise, there is very little in it for those who are genuinely good with a DS3. This being 'good' with a DS3 comes down to hand-eye co-ordination and quickness of response whereas with a wheel it is not quite so critical as you have better 'natural' feel over what is going on in the car. Having said that, to drive at the limit with either controller type is challenging for sustained periods of time.
As an example, I only got my wheel about 2 weeks before GT5 was released and I only have a budget DFGT (same as Willco) and up until January I was as fast on the DS3 as I was with the wheel, so it took me a good 2 months of adjustment and I have real-life racing experience so I expected transistioning to be a cake walk... How wrong could I be. Having said that, I was fast with a DS3 too, as I 'golded' every event on GT5P with the DS3 very comfortably with the exception of one or two which were challenging, so I had to be fast with the wheel to just match the DS3 times I could run.
These days though, I think I would have somewhere from .25 -.75 a lap benefit from the wheel depending upon the car and circuit. Obviously this would be down to practice to an extent as I hardly ever use the DS3 unless I am just playing 2-player split screen and don't want to make it unfair.
So as Rusty said, those who are fast on a DS3 will be fast (in time) on a wheel but it is not something you can rush. There may also be more time to be gained by having a more high-end wheel like Oni and Spinner but I can't honestly say because I don't own one... yet!
As for Stig's comments about practice making perfect it is so true. In real life racing and GT racing, it is also true that some people have a more natural affinity to racing/driving than others but this does not mean that those less gifted can't beat the more gifted drivers, it just means that unless they do more practice they will struggle to do so. I don't do alot of practice truth be known (spend too long building up my GT5 car and paint collection...
) but I know I could find more time if I did. However again, there are diminishing returns as your pace increases. So an extra hour a week may get me .1 - .25 whilst the tier 2 and 3 runners may find .25 - .75 from that extra hour.
Hope that all makes sense...
Cheers, Bomber
I personally agree with both Rusty and Spinner combined.
I agree with Rusty that it is more taxing over an extended period of time on the DS3 than the Wheel but then as Spinner said, pace wise, there is very little in it for those who are genuinely good with a DS3. This being 'good' with a DS3 comes down to hand-eye co-ordination and quickness of response whereas with a wheel it is not quite so critical as you have better 'natural' feel over what is going on in the car. Having said that, to drive at the limit with either controller type is challenging for sustained periods of time.
As an example, I only got my wheel about 2 weeks before GT5 was released and I only have a budget DFGT (same as Willco) and up until January I was as fast on the DS3 as I was with the wheel, so it took me a good 2 months of adjustment and I have real-life racing experience so I expected transistioning to be a cake walk... How wrong could I be. Having said that, I was fast with a DS3 too, as I 'golded' every event on GT5P with the DS3 very comfortably with the exception of one or two which were challenging, so I had to be fast with the wheel to just match the DS3 times I could run.
These days though, I think I would have somewhere from .25 -.75 a lap benefit from the wheel depending upon the car and circuit. Obviously this would be down to practice to an extent as I hardly ever use the DS3 unless I am just playing 2-player split screen and don't want to make it unfair.
So as Rusty said, those who are fast on a DS3 will be fast (in time) on a wheel but it is not something you can rush. There may also be more time to be gained by having a more high-end wheel like Oni and Spinner but I can't honestly say because I don't own one... yet!
As for Stig's comments about practice making perfect it is so true. In real life racing and GT racing, it is also true that some people have a more natural affinity to racing/driving than others but this does not mean that those less gifted can't beat the more gifted drivers, it just means that unless they do more practice they will struggle to do so. I don't do alot of practice truth be known (spend too long building up my GT5 car and paint collection...
) but I know I could find more time if I did. However again, there are diminishing returns as your pace increases. So an extra hour a week may get me .1 - .25 whilst the tier 2 and 3 runners may find .25 - .75 from that extra hour.Hope that all makes sense...
Cheers, Bomber
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- GTP_Bonson
Wow,
A lot of people are in favour of the non-handicapped quali, especially the guys that would benefit from it!
Maybe a vote?
A lot of people are in favour of the non-handicapped quali, especially the guys that would benefit from it!
Maybe a vote?
DanRicciardo
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Oni, can you atleast let us know what type of tyres will be used i.e sports or racing? I'd love to know, as I'm pretty average with sport tyres compaired to racing.
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- oni_chan
Nice to see everyone's thoughts on all the matters in the new series.
I'll get right down to the most spoken about and that is the Handicap qualifying. As of this moment this will still be implemented. No voting about it. It's a radical idea and something i thought about to give tier 3 drivers that chance to rack up some extra points for their team by fighting just as had as their tier 1 team mate for that pole position.
As always before the series kicks off there will be a qualifier held to sort teams and drivers tiers. This will also give everyone a good idea of what is to come. Right now everyone is just guessing what will happen without actual evidence to back it up. It's an untried method and i'm keen to see if it works.
Any how at the end of the qualifier you will know if its 100% implemented or not. But as of now it is still in. Thanks for everyone's concerns.
The entire series will be held on Sports tyres. These cars are not tuned so it doesn't take much getting used to. Racing tyres would be overkill. You might struggle mate but that's what the handicap is for though i doubt you will need it. As it will only take more practice to get a handle of it therefore I suggest everyone get practice using these tyres: Sports Medium & Sports Soft.
Good news to all in the series. The list of cars being used has been confirmed. I just did some testing and found the perfect cars for the series imo. Will be revealed at a later date.
I'll get right down to the most spoken about and that is the Handicap qualifying. As of this moment this will still be implemented. No voting about it. It's a radical idea and something i thought about to give tier 3 drivers that chance to rack up some extra points for their team by fighting just as had as their tier 1 team mate for that pole position.
As always before the series kicks off there will be a qualifier held to sort teams and drivers tiers. This will also give everyone a good idea of what is to come. Right now everyone is just guessing what will happen without actual evidence to back it up. It's an untried method and i'm keen to see if it works.
Any how at the end of the qualifier you will know if its 100% implemented or not. But as of now it is still in. Thanks for everyone's concerns.
The entire series will be held on Sports tyres. These cars are not tuned so it doesn't take much getting used to. Racing tyres would be overkill. You might struggle mate but that's what the handicap is for though i doubt you will need it. As it will only take more practice to get a handle of it therefore I suggest everyone get practice using these tyres: Sports Medium & Sports Soft.
Good news to all in the series. The list of cars being used has been confirmed. I just did some testing and found the perfect cars for the series imo. Will be revealed at a later date.
At the end of the day, it was just a suggestion as to mix things up a bit and maybe put some harder earning drivers to the front, possibly try it for race one?
Oni can i also suggest people post 5 cars from the recommended list? This way they can't blame you for a crap car choice as it's put upto the people to offer suggestions and also takes the pressure off you to make the decisions solely.
DanRicciardo
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Again, don't care, it's just brainstorming to make the series as trouble free as possible.
Oni's pretty keen to try it so done deal, just would seem counter productive to try it if 15 out of the 16 people running didn't want it in
Sports tyres will be quality as long as the freakin Zonda S isn't one of the cars
Oni's pretty keen to try it so done deal, just would seem counter productive to try it if 15 out of the 16 people running didn't want it in
Sports tyres will be quality as long as the freakin Zonda S isn't one of the cars
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- Stubbzie
When is new season starting?
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- X3rx3s44
About a fortnight mate, give or take a week.
Sports tyres will be quality as long as the freakin Zonda S isn't one of the cars
I can put your mind at ease mate.
A handful of us got a sneak peak and test run tonight with the new cars we will be running from the Recommended list this upcoming season and the Zonda R is not one of them!
Trust me when I say that Sports tyres will be more than sufficient for the cars we will be running, which Oni will be announcing soon... I will give you a hint, there are 4 cars with 3 different drivetrain types, FF, FR & AWD... 👍
Thanks to everyone for the great fun we had tonight, I think those 'tag' races could take off as quite a hit format for some proper 'team' fun.
Cheers, Bomber
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- oni_chan
Cheers for replying to Stubbz Bomber. As Bomber stated. The series will start in about a fortnight. There will be a new post on GTP with details so keep an eye out.
I was looking through some of my photos from the series final at Fuji and found these photos of some action on the last 5 laps.
Chasing down Rusty and using every inch of track i could.
Another angle and you can see how close i am to touching the grass.
Final lap coming into Dunlop corner as i attempt an under and over move on Taital with Rusty on my heels.. can i make it stick?.... Or will Rusty capitalize on my mistake?
Yes i can! I make it stick and get the drive out leaving Rusty to get past Taital on degrading tyres.
I was looking through some of my photos from the series final at Fuji and found these photos of some action on the last 5 laps.
Chasing down Rusty and using every inch of track i could.
Another angle and you can see how close i am to touching the grass.
Final lap coming into Dunlop corner as i attempt an under and over move on Taital with Rusty on my heels.. can i make it stick?.... Or will Rusty capitalize on my mistake?
Yes i can! I make it stick and get the drive out leaving Rusty to get past Taital on degrading tyres.
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- GTP_Bonson
About a fortnight mate, give or take a week.
I can put your mind at ease mate.
A handful of us got a sneak peak and test run tonight with the new cars we will be running from the Recommended list this upcoming season and the Zonda R is not one of them!
Trust me when I say that Sports tyres will be more than sufficient for the cars we will be running, which Oni will be announcing soon... I will give you a hint, there are 4 cars with 3 different drivetrain types, FF, FR & AWD... 👍
Thanks to everyone for the great fun we had tonight, I think those 'tag' races could take off as quite a hit format for some proper 'team' fun.
Cheers, Bomber
Audi R8 4.2 then
Good Car.Front wheel drive, eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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- Stubbzie
Sounds good, count me in for this one from the start. Was hard competing in the Lexus event with only two races left when I joined
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- Rotamasta7
Wow I just spent 30,40 mind to catch up on all that reading hahaha
Sorry for the slow replying regarding tracks oni, but can I use one of my votes to minus a vote for Madrid???? Haha
Indy road course
Nurburgring GP/F
Tokyo (NOT REVERSE!!!)
Suzuka
Monza rain or dry
As for the qually situation, and ithink the tyre regs worked great but also need some changes but that will sort itself out on qually night
I'm all for the fastest blokes taking pole as most have said but as oni is going to give it a go withdiff types for qual, i think it's worth being said that I'm in the 2nd group and can never match the faster blokes on mediums when I'm on softs. So it could work well.
Also I'm for no penalties too, we go to tracks like Monza where the penalties don't even do the right job but someone else's mistake and you get a collision penalty
Sorry for the bad typing hungover but fet ihad togetmy vote inbye
Sorry for the slow replying regarding tracks oni, but can I use one of my votes to minus a vote for Madrid???? Haha
Indy road course
Nurburgring GP/F
Tokyo (NOT REVERSE!!!)
Suzuka
Monza rain or dry
As for the qually situation, and ithink the tyre regs worked great but also need some changes but that will sort itself out on qually night
I'm all for the fastest blokes taking pole as most have said but as oni is going to give it a go withdiff types for qual, i think it's worth being said that I'm in the 2nd group and can never match the faster blokes on mediums when I'm on softs. So it could work well.
Also I'm for no penalties too, we go to tracks like Monza where the penalties don't even do the right job but someone else's mistake and you get a collision penalty
Sorry for the bad typing hungover but fet ihad togetmy vote inbye
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LMFAO Roota... ur sound more than just hung over.. more like.. scattered? hmm, you been hangin out with vtek?
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- GTP_Bonson
Does he have a Nickname yet? 💡
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Yeah Bono.. its ROOTA!
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- evan1080
nice choice of cars oni, can't wait for season start.
heres some shots i wanted to share with you all from fuji last week, i hade a great car setup but a terrible start with a shortcut penalty for going long????
anyway had a few great battles with rota for about 5 or 6 laps and lost near the end of the race with him battling with worn tyres.
thanks to all for a great season, this being my first with you lot.
thanks oni for hosting. fantastic job:tup:
i really love the last photo, lost protecting his line into the last corner and me going out wide in trying cut under him. looks like i'm feeding the gas on a little to soon, but look at that smoke and rubber.
sounds like a new saying
" it's all smoke and rubber "
sorry that they all contain me but thats how i remember the race
see ya out there evan
heres some shots i wanted to share with you all from fuji last week, i hade a great car setup but a terrible start with a shortcut penalty for going long????
anyway had a few great battles with rota for about 5 or 6 laps and lost near the end of the race with him battling with worn tyres.
thanks to all for a great season, this being my first with you lot.
thanks oni for hosting. fantastic job:tup:
i really love the last photo, lost protecting his line into the last corner and me going out wide in trying cut under him. looks like i'm feeding the gas on a little to soon, but look at that smoke and rubber.
sounds like a new saying
" it's all smoke and rubber "
sorry that they all contain me but thats how i remember the race
see ya out there evan
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