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Osama Bin Laden is dead.
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Rand Paul's take on it:
"I commend our troops, the intelligence community, and the military leaders involved in both the administrations of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama for their perseverance and courage in pursuit of this most grievous enemy of the United States of America.”
He gave credit to those who did the work without citing Obama specifically. You can include the President under the label "military leaders". There is no reason to congratulate Obama specifically because this victory wasn't a result of his actions specifically.
"I commend our troops, the intelligence community, and the military leaders involved in both the administrations of Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama for their perseverance and courage in pursuit of this most grievous enemy of the United States of America.”
He gave credit to those who did the work without citing Obama specifically. You can include the President under the label "military leaders". There is no reason to congratulate Obama specifically because this victory wasn't a result of his actions specifically.
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Suppose it is impossible, granting that our nation is as politically charged as it is, but it just seems counter productive to repeatedly dissect and contrast speeches/statements regarding this topic. The most important thing is that we (meaning the United States of America) finally brought justice to an individual, who by their own actions, clearly deserved it. To some extent, be the contribution great or small, we all participated. "Stand together or forever be divided"... or something like that.
Anyway...IMHO, I still think this sentence is wholly appropriate and well stated:
Anyway...IMHO, I still think this sentence is wholly appropriate and well stated:
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Word.
The fact that some people were hiding Bin Laden is not equivalent to the entire country hiding him. Something that gets lost on many people who aren't aware of how critical Pakistan and the Pakistani military are to the global fight against Islamic radicals.
There are definitely bad eggs in there, but we can't throw the whole country under the rug because of them.
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The first thing I did when I heard that he was dead was watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
The guy says a certain "F" word that you should watch out for. That's also the reason why the video isn't embedded.
I advise you guys to lower the volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWS-FoXbjVI
The guy says a certain "F" word that you should watch out for. That's also the reason why the video isn't embedded.
I advise you guys to lower the volume.
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I did? That was purely unintentional.
I like this argument and I use it a lot. There is no pissing them off any more than they already are, so why should we worry about anything? I see this as not so much a matter of ticking anyone off as it is a matter of making their efforts look impossible and hopeless versus making us look weak and vulnerable to repeated attack. I think these terrorists are the kind to be emboldened by weakness.
We haven't responded to 9/11 well as a nation. The last 10 years have been rather depressing from that point of view as we have turned on ourselves, fight amongst ourselves, and flail about redefining our principles so that they can incorporate safety from those who would use them against us. Would-be terrorists have had much cause to think that America is weak, and easily toppled by their continued efforts. Not only do they hate us, but they have much reason to believe that they are effective.
Here we had a rare opportunity to take a victory in the war against Al Qaeda and use it to discourage our enemies. We had the opportunity to tell them exactly what Hillary Clinton and George Bush said... that you can't wait us out, that you can't run or hide, that we're not as fickle as we might seem - that we will eventually find you wherever you are and justice will be done. It is an opportunity for us to look like we're actually competent, like Al Qaeda's goals are futile.
Instead Obama made no such overtures. He took the opportunity to remind the world how badly we have responded to 9/11, and how vulnerable we are. He couldn't put aside party politics and had to take digs at... essentially America... and our inability to get the job done.
When you're running for office, feel free to criticize the previous president and make the government look as bad as you want. When you're president and delivering a victory speech during a war, you might want to put your game face on and stop trying to take personal credit at the cost of making the country look less unified and less competent.
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Matt & Trey must be so proud today.
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On the point being made that Obama is "taking all of the credit" - That's a two-way street. You're operating under the assumption that his decision to go into the compound was the right one. An argument could be made that he was "taking responibility" and that any and all criticism in regards to the operation would fall onto his shoulders. It was his decision to go after bin Laden. He alone is the Commander-in-Cheif. He made the final decision to move on the intelligence. This is just like Gran Turismo - if the game is awesome all of the credit goes to Kaz. If the game is flawed, the blame goes to him as well. Obama was taking responsibility, for better or worse.
At this point for Obama: so far so good. That's not to say that people won't change their minds in a month and want to stick his head on a pike. Such is the life of a leader.
EDIT: Found an interesting story about a teacher who vowed not to shave his beard until the capture or death of Osama Bin Laden: {LINK}
At this point for Obama: so far so good. That's not to say that people won't change their minds in a month and want to stick his head on a pike. Such is the life of a leader.
EDIT: Found an interesting story about a teacher who vowed not to shave his beard until the capture or death of Osama Bin Laden: {LINK}
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I said I smelled a cover-up earlier. I personally think the odds are pretty good that some powerful figures in Pakistan did protect Bin Laden. But we may never see any political or military action by the U.S. against those people, or Pakistan, exactly because of the part of your quote I underlined. I hope more information regarding this will be released in the near future. I'm not sure if I like Pakistan right now, but I am not at all knowledgeable about the politics & alliances there.
I also don't know exactly how long the U.S. & Pakistan has worked together, but I do remember reading about U.S. selling F16's to Pakistan, when I was still a kid(I'm 37 now). I guess I got more readings to do.
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Massive co-incidence, here in Australia a new episode of South Park was show last night. Less than 10 hours after the news came out
This is the end of the episode:
This is just an episode played in it's order in the series, I saw that it's title was correct from a printed TV guide from days ago. This was a showing that was the same across Australia. Probably been lined up to play last night for literally months.
How incredible are the odds.
This is the end of the episode:
This is just an episode played in it's order in the series, I saw that it's title was correct from a printed TV guide from days ago. This was a showing that was the same across Australia. Probably been lined up to play last night for literally months.
How incredible are the odds.
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To ignore an opposing viewpoint robs you of the opportunity to test your own views and beliefs on their own merits.
Some of those with issues with the speech aren't necessarily right-wingers. I am actually far to the left of most Americans on this board (and I was pro-Obama last election), but I have minor quibbles with it.
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That clip is from last season (Season 14). It originally aired on October 13, 2010. The particular episode is It's a Jersey Thing.
The clip is the end of the episode.
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Sorry, dude. The clip is a comedian talking about C-Span, a public station that is about politics essentially, and how bad of a station it is. Then he goes on to say something about people believing Bin Laden is hiding out in the mountains, but really he has a tv show from 4-5pm everyday on c-span(people think he's hiding out despite him having a tv show because no one watches it). Then it shows Obama's rection, which is a grin from ear to ear.
It is just really funny seeing him laugh at a joke implying Bin Laden is alive when he is one of a few that knows Bin Laden is actually dead.
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^^^ I checked that episode's listing on Wikipedia.
Someone has already put in mention of how it was aired in Australia just several hours after the news broke.
Yeah we can be a few months behind on some TV shows. Some are fast-tracked, others just wait their turn. There was another odd co-incidence with another show "The lone Gun-men" think it was called. X-files spin off series with those conspiracy theory friends of Mulder. Anyway the pilot episode featured terrorists hi-jacking a jet-liner and attempting to fly it into a skyscraper, but all was saved just in time. Anyway it aired here just a few days before the Sept11 2001 attacks.
Someone has already put in mention of how it was aired in Australia just several hours after the news broke.
Yeah we can be a few months behind on some TV shows. Some are fast-tracked, others just wait their turn. There was another odd co-incidence with another show "The lone Gun-men" think it was called. X-files spin off series with those conspiracy theory friends of Mulder. Anyway the pilot episode featured terrorists hi-jacking a jet-liner and attempting to fly it into a skyscraper, but all was saved just in time. Anyway it aired here just a few days before the Sept11 2001 attacks.
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Theres deffinently something fishy about this , theres only one picture of him dead and it looks photoshoped then they dumped his body at sea ??? , why would you do that , and the guy who killed him isnt taking credit, if i killed him i'd want every one to know , and then when they showed the rooms in the house with blood in them there wernt any bodys ??? whered they go, there was a 40 minute fire fight.
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Everything is for security measures. Do you have a link where you saw this at? I am sure that they cleared out the bodies before letting anyone else in. I could clearly question that it could of been friendly fire that got to him.
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If you struted around telling everyone you killed a bin larden most would say way to go, but the terrorists who supported him will would kill your family right infront of you then kill you just to teach you a lesson, that is the kind of people working at Al-Qaedea.
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