Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[FoolKiller]

Would it not be a violation of the Geneva convention to release pictures of dead enemies?

Supposedly, but if Bush can get away with it then no one will say a word to Obama about it.



In all honesty, the only reason to release it publicly is to prevent birthers from becoming deathers. And I find Donald Trump quite easy to ignore, assuming you are out of reach of his hair.

 

[ShaneG]

Tell me that's not better. Tell me that's not a better speech. Tell me that Obama wouldn't get MORE credit for that speech than the childish "I WAS BRIEFED.... on other people's work", "I DIRECTED.... based on recommendations". I defy you to tell me that my edited version is in any way inferior.

Your version is not inferior, but it does make it sound like he's letting other people make all the decisions that he should be making.

He gives credit to all involved, but he makes it clear, as should be, that if he didn't say go, none of this would have come to be. His references to himself simply state what his involvement was and don't seem to me as a "childish attempt to take all of the credit."

Like I mentioned earlier, had this mission gone tits up , and got out that it went bad, no one would think twice about giving Obama credit for the failure.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

It will come out eventually. Just you watch. Do you know how much a newspaper/magazine will pay for that picture?

Yup we all know the pics or videos will be "leaked" eventually. Not allowing the pics to be released is just the governments way of trying to make themselves look better.

So now when the pics gets released they can cover their own butts and say "We did not approve releasing the pics, but we cant control if they are leaked".

 

[Danoff]

Unless there is evidence that he "wasn't briefed" and "didn't meet with his security team", etc then for him to state what were, presumably, factual actions on his part is anything but childish in my opinion.

In your opinion, he over emphasized the actions he took. I do not agree.

Regarding your edits, no. There's nothing wrong with the speech you came up with, however there is nothing wrong with the speech as given either. Also as the CiC he does need to, IMHO, make clear that it was his decision to approve this operation. Legally that is true, so there is nothing wrong with him stating as such and it is fully appropriate for him to do so. To take responsibility, when factually accurate as in this case, is a very adult thing to do and not childish in the least.

So you haven't sold me.

Your version is not inferior, but it does make it sound like he's letting other people make all the decisions that he should be making.

He gives credit to all involved, but he makes it clear, as should be, that if he didn't say go, none of this would have come to be. His references to himself simply state what his involvement was and don't seem to me as a "childish attempt to take all of the credit."

Like I mentioned earlier, had this mission gone tits up , and got out that it went bad, no one would think twice about giving Obama credit for the failure.

Here's the part in my edited speech where he takes credit:

And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA

...and no. If the mission had gone badly nobody would know about it.

 

[DK]

It will come out eventually. Just you watch. Do you know how much a newspaper/magazine will pay for that picture?

That should say, "Do you know how quickly WikiLeaks will release the picture?"

 

[Dennisch]

 

[DK]

^ How about "pics or GTFO"?

 

[lbsf1]

I'm one of the skeptics at the moment on this. The fact that the story has changed about the raid (armed or unarmed, wife or no wife?) and the fact that they are 99.9% sure not 100% kinda makes me think that either its an elaborate hoax by the americans, or it wasn't osama. (Hence why they threw it overboard so quickly.)

EDIT: On the news they just said america has confirmed it will not release pics of obama after his death, because:
1. It would be a security risk (don't know how but thats what they say)
2. He was shot in the face so I don't think you would want to see the pics.
3. It could be used a properganda against america (only slightly valid point)

 

[Dennisch]

^ How about "pics or GTFO"?

Say what now?

 

[gogatrs]

lol

 

[DK]

^ Ever heard of "breasts or GTFO?"

 

[Dennisch]

^ Ever heard of "breasts or GTFO?"

Nope, just googled it.

 

[LeftyWright69]

Technically it would be the bullet. Not the gun.

I can't believe you thought you had to respond to the obvious, by the time he could process the bullet that was boring its way through his cranium he would have switched off and found him self staring at 72 virgin fat guyzzz

 

[Touring Mars]

EDIT: On the news they just said america has confirmed it will not release pics of obama after his death, because:
1. It would be a security risk (don't know how but thats what they say)
2. He was shot in the face so I don't think you would want to see the pics.
3. It could be used a properganda against america (only slightly valid point)

I guess we won't know how gruesome the pics are until we get a proper gander at them.

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm one of the skeptics at the moment on this. The fact that the story has changed about the raid (armed or unarmed, wife or no wife?) and the fact that they are 99.9% sure not 100% kinda makes me think that either its an elaborate hoax by the americans, or it wasn't osama. (Hence why they threw it overboard so quickly.)

Welcome to DNA tests... Ever watch Maury Povitch? It is always a 99.9% chance the guy is the baby daddy. Simple calibration errors can cause more than a 0.1% error in a DNA test. Parents test to see if their disease can be passed on and they never get a 100% or 0% result, unless it isn't a genetic disorder.

Also, even if it wasn't an intended hoax, it is a hoax if they passed off killing not Osama.

EDIT: On the news they just said america has confirmed it will not release pics of osama after his death, because:
1. It would be a security risk (don't know how but thats what they say)
2. He was shot in the face so I don't think you would want to see the pics.
3. It could be used a properganda against america (only slightly valid point)

1) A cartoon of Mohammed is a security risk (supposedly). You don't think this could similarly cause a problem?
2) If half his head is missing... But we are the country that Googled journalists getting their heads sawed off.
3) A poster in every terrorist cell (or mansion as it appears to be). See my earlier post about what happened with Che Guevara's body. A picture could have the same effect.




I am beginning to think this is worse than the birther issue. It's the next 9/11 conspiracy thing, I bet.


EDIT: Drudge Report has links to news stories with photos of the scene with dead bodies. No Bin Laden photo though. What is there is pretty graphic though.

 

[Keef]

I just clicked the big red link on Drudge. Sent me to Reuters where I was greeted by a peculiar lack of photos?

This is one example of a fake image that are apparently making the rounds. It doesn't even look real, to be honest.

EDIT: Visited Drudge Report two minutes ago. As of this moment the website must be flooded because it's offline.

I just found the link. Considering posting it, but it's pretty awful lol. None of them are Osama anyway.

 

[Danoff]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4b...in-laden-s-death-with-will-ferrell?rel=player

 

[Hun200kmh]

I'm one of the skeptics at the moment on this. The fact that the story has changed about the raid (armed or unarmed, wife or no wife?) and the fact that they are 99.9% sure not 100% kinda makes me think that either its an elaborate hoax by the americans, or it wasn't osama. (Hence why they threw it overboard so quickly.)

EDIT: On the news they just said america has confirmed it will not release pics of obama after his death, because:
1. It would be a security risk (don't know how but thats what they say)
2. He was shot in the face so I don't think you would want to see the pics.
3. It could be used a properganda against america (only slightly valid point)

No DNA test gives 100% result. If you do it yourself you'll find your own cells have a 99.9% chance of belonging to you

 

[icelt]

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/4b...in-laden-s-death-with-will-ferrell?rel=player

That is funny.

 

[arora]

I'm one of the skeptics at the moment on this. The fact that the story has changed about the raid.....

That argument is not going to die easily I'm afraid, why didn't they get the story straight before speaking? Too excited to get the news out, what was the hurry?

A few reasons I think they did get him; wouldn't OBL make some silly vid to prove he's alive? He was that arrogant even if pretending to be dead would be better for him. Enough time has not passed but I don't think we will ever see it. Pakistan is not denying it, they look silly with egg on the face having him right under their noses. If they thought for one second it was not him I think they'd at least raise the suspicion. That brings me to a more important point...

What to make of Pakistan? We have them over a barrel to a small degree, with all that military and intel so close? common now. I'm hoping that the U.S. keeps up momentum with this as it could be a very good opportunity to snuff out some other terrorist leaders alleged to be stashed in Pakistan. Thoughts?

 

[Grand Prix]

There's some kind of timing involved for this event, I think. It's conveniently placed in between the Royal Wedding and the Canadian Federal Election. I wonder what kind of impact it may have had (if any) on the Conservatives gaining a majority government here.

It's possible it has given the US an excuse to go to war with Pakistan also?

/tin foil hat

 

[Solid Lifters]

Pakistan just released the compound photos post firefight.


WARNING! Very graphic content at this link. Pictures of gunshot wounds to the face and head with large amounts of blood are pictured. Enter at your own risk.
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound

 

[icelt]

Pakistan just released the compound photos post firefight.


WARNING! Very graphic content at this link. Pictures of gunshot wounds to the face and head with large amounts of blood are pictured. Enter at your own risk.
http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound

Not too surprised, but I think we've been given some misleading info from our Gov. Nearly certain they reported that MH-60's were used for transport, however the tail section in those photos is no where close to this:

I'm guessing from the angled surfaces, and the nature of the operation, that it was actually some style of "stealth" helicopter. Now that I look at the wiki they do mention that, "Black Hawks may have been never-before-publicly-seen "stealth" versions of the helicopter." So I think these photos definitely confirm that last speculation.

And some further confirmation:
Mission helo was secret stealth Black Hawk

 

[Solid Lifters]

They used the rumored 'cloaking chopers' from a year-and-a-half ago. They're a secret version of that choper if you followed my link.

 

[Northstar]

I'm one of the skeptics at the moment on this. The fact that the story has changed about the raid (armed or unarmed, wife or no wife?) and the fact that they are 99.9% sure not 100% kinda makes me think that either its an elaborate hoax by the americans, or it wasn't osama. (Hence why they threw it overboard so quickly.)

DNA tests are never 100%, regardless who they are testing.

EDIT: On the news they just said america has confirmed it will not release pics of obama after his death, because:
1. It would be a security risk (don't know how but thats what they say)

Remember a few years back when there were riots over a drawing of Muhammad?

3. It could be used a properganda against america (only slightly valid point)

This relates to point 1.

Terrorists will use everything at their disposal, I'm guessing us touting a pic of their leader with a hole in his head would help them recruit for their next attack.

 

[The Bman]

If I remember correctly, Al-Qaeda has uranium and said that they will unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" if bin Laden was killed.

Now that Osama bin Laden is dead, they may be huge threats. The problem for them - they have to reach us first.

 

[nk4e]

A possible trend?
Saudi police: al-Qaida member surrenders

 

[Northstar]

If I remember correctly, Al-Qaeda has uranium and said that they will unleash a "nuclear hellstorm" if bin Laden was killed.

Now that Osama bin Laden is dead, they may be huge threats. The problem for them - they have to reach us first.

You need more than just Uranium to make a nuclear bomb, judging by the images/videos I've seen of Al-Qaeda, they don't have the facilities either.

 

[The Bman]

You need more than just Uranium to make a nuclear bomb, judging by the images/videos I've seen of Al-Qaeda, they don't have the facilities either.

Google "Al-Qaeda nuclear" and you'll know what I mean.

They hired rogue scientists and are developing WMDs which they plan to detonate in the Western World.

 

[Northstar]

Google "Al-Qaeda nuclear" and you'll know what I mean.

They hired rogue scientists and are developing WMDs which they plan to detonate in the Western World.

I'm honestly more worried about North Korea or Iran doing it first as both have shown that they at least have planned to build them at one point(North Korea even tested them supposedly although it was never confirmed).