Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[Brett]

I disagree, but then I am a freedom before security kind of guy. Even my wife disagrees with me on that one, but she is so afraid of flying I think she would submit to a body cavity search of every passenger if it guaranteed her a safe flight.

For some reason, this made me think of the episode of Futurama where Bender meets God and God explains to Bender that the best solution is where one is not sure anything was done at all.

[QUOTE="Godfellas", Futurama]God Entity: Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker or a pickpocket.

Bender: Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money.

God Entity: Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.[/QUOTE]

God Entity: When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

That approach needs to be taken to the balance between freedom/security and the point I should have made in my previous post.

 

[arora]

I'm guessing you guys have seen this?

"The blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is too precious to us and to all Muslims to go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."

"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."

From what I read it has not been authenticated yet but it looks like Al-qaeda confirms death.

 

[Havok_]

I'm guessing you guys have seen this?

"The blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is too precious to us and to all Muslims to go in vain," the statement said. "We will remain, God willing, a curse chasing the Americans and their agents, following them outside and inside their countries."

"Soon, God willing, their happiness will turn to sadness," it said, "their blood will be mingled with their tears."

How ironic that most of the blood spilled by these delusional fools have been of their own muslim brothers, if only they were as brave as their rhetoric they wouldn't be hiding like roaches.

I'm glad Seal team 6 put a sunroof in OBL's forehead and so are many Americans who have family fighting in the middle east. This man is responsable for the lives of thousands of people across the world and i am sure that any data found in OBL's home will help in the pursuit of more of these murderers who claim to be holy warriors...

 

[Danoff]

"The blood of the holy warrior sheik, Osama bin Laden, God bless him, is too precious to us and to all Muslims to go in vain,"

That's right, we hit them so it's their right to hit back. Nobody can accuse them of doing anything wrong since we killed their guy. Classic blood feud mentality. Moronic. It's the same as with Israel but over a shorter time scale.

 

[Dan_]

President Obama was, apparently.

In fact, I was quite disappointed when I saw that they've gone for killing Osama rather than capturing him. Was it an execution? Probably. Would he surrender peacefully? I honestly doubt.

Either way, the outcome would have been the identical, however, giving the man a trial would have been more appropriate.

Is it right to desperately desire to put a bullet in his head for what he done? Yes, I do.

Is it right to actually do it? In my modest opinion, no.

Bad mark for Obama and the US on the moral side, good mark in pretty much every other perspective, though.

 

[drivehard]

Its funny how we can easily decide such people lose their right to live yet let the bog-standard murderer live albeit in jail.
People would be horrified if we brought back hanging or any kind of death sentence in the UK, yet everyone is fine with assassinations. Bizarre.

It's really not that funny when you realize people aren't really making up their minds. All their beliefs, ideas, morals and opinions are expounded with so much passion yet they haven't or aren't capable of apprehending reality. You can see all to well those who dosen't have any idea - usually the most passionate - and the existence of a counter idea only makes it all the more retarded. As soon as the two sides are established I think it's best to vacate the premises.

 

[Keef]

That's right, we hit them so it's their right to hit back. Nobody can accuse them of doing anything wrong since we killed their guy. Classic blood feud mentality. Moronic. It's the same as with Israel but over a shorter time scale.

If you never start the fued in the first place there is no opportunity for it to drag on for decades.

I keep saying things you already know, I apologize. They're wrong for thinking that, but they're no more wrong than our government for thinking what it thinks. Generally, it seems, our government is at least as wrong as anybody else.

 

[LeftyWright69]

Since I just can’t read all the back and forth I just want to think of how UBL ended up in Davy Jones’s locker. I’ve heard that he got all this cleaning and wrapping and Islamic send off orchestration B.S. What I want to think about is, once the Captain of the flat top found out that UBLs carcass was going to end up on his ship, he told the ones in charge of the Shellbacks that they were to take all the chum on the ship, used for persuading the newbie’s to “kiss the babies belly”, and they were directed to take the chum and dump it into the ocean a couple of hours ahead of where they were so that when UBL got dropped in the drink he landed in a shark infested feeding frenzy, that were hours ahead of time in the making.

Why do you think the Islamic send off took 40 min’s?

Because they hadn’t got to the chum drop zone yet.

 

[arora]

Some recent released vids found in the compound.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/142486/20110507/new-osama-videos-released.htm

Yo Osama we heard you liked watching vids of yourself so we made a vid of you watching yourself so you could watch yourself watching yourself. Sorry couldn't resist

 

[Ardius]

It's really not that funny when you realize people aren't really making up their minds. All their beliefs, ideas, morals and opinions are expounded with so much passion yet they haven't or aren't capable of apprehending reality. You can see all to well those who dosen't have any idea - usually the most passionate - and the existence of a counter idea only makes it all the more retarded. As soon as the two sides are established I think it's best to vacate the premises.

I disagree, people are making up their minds, its just they apply a slightly different, inconsistent logic to different situations.
But there is more to it than the idea of giving someone the death penalty. There is the bigger picture, while giving a "normal" murderer a full trial and "only" a life sentence or less in jail is good for our spirit (can't really think of a better word), the potential harm someone like Bin Laden could do by giving him the same privledges outweighs the benefit of satisfying our spirit.

Or perhaps you could argue that seeing the bigger picture is also part of the human spirit.

 

[Mic_Col]

Yo Osama we heard you liked watching vids of yourself so we made a vid of you watching yourself so you could watch yourself watching yourself. Sorry couldn't resist

LOL!!

First one of those 'Yo Dawg we heard you like . . .' Meme joke to make me laugh in a long time.

 

[Danoff]

If you never start the fued in the first place there is no opportunity for it to drag on for decades.

I keep saying things you already know, I apologize. They're wrong for thinking that, but they're no more wrong than our government for thinking what it thinks. Generally, it seems, our government is at least as wrong as anybody else.

Nope. Our government never went in with the notion tha randomly killing thousands (or all) of innocent citizens is a noble goal. The difference between us and them is a) they started it and b) they'd like to commit genocide.

 

[Keef]

Why did they start it?

 

[Touring Mars]

Why did they start it?

Because a few individuals took it upon themselves to declare that America and everything it stands for was despicable and sought to ensure their 'own people'/religions didn't get infested with the same decadence/corruption as they perceived in the USA...

In responding to the attacks of 9/11, I don't believe that it really matters why Al-Qaeda attacked America. The fact that they did and had done so before is enough of a justification to go after these people. But, to answer your question, I believe the main reason(s) that America was attacked on 9/11/2001 was not simply to avenge perceived US wrongdoing in the Middle East i.e. by supporting Israel (it's probably a factor, but it's by no means the only or the main reason), but simply because these people want to see America destroyed on idealogical grounds because of the way America is, and not just because of what America may have done. This being the case, I don't see what alternative America (or any other enemy of Al-Qaeda) really has other than to attempt to stop them.

 

[Keef]

We don't simply trade goods with Israel, we support them militarily. Besides that, we've had military bases throughout the Middle East for many decades, from Saudi Arabia to Kuwait to Turkey, Israel, Afghanistan, etc etc. I attempted to find them all and how long they've been there on Wikipedia, but they all have "main articles", and at the moment I can't spare a half hour to study each article.

I agree that there are many reasons, including the ones you state. But I feel the simple matter of our presence over there, doing whatever we have been doing for so long, is the main one. Imagine if these countries had military installations in your country, or in my country. How would you feel about that? If those countries paid your country billions of dollars to have that base there, not a cent of which trickled down to you?

We have been attempting to stop them for at least 10 years now. Within the past 10 years the amount of sacrifices we have made domestically in order to facilitate this battle against terrorism has been totally unprecedented in American history. The freedoms we've sacrificed, the rights that have been violated, and the economic impact of these wars have been catastrophic and absolutely unacceptable.

America is an empire right now, projecting its power everywhere, including the UK. We're occupying five RAF bases in England. Their military doesn't have any personnel in the US, and every single American I know would laugh at the suggestion that they be over here. The general consensus over here is that America is the world, and things would fall apart if we weren't holding them together.

Are you comfortable with that idea?

I think ya'll are idiots for letting it happen, letting the US house soldiers and equipment over there, and I applaud any reasonable Muslims who fight against the notion, because I would do precisely the same thing in their situation.

Fact is, the USA is a failing empire, and it's dragging the rest of the world down with it. Our country is falling apart quite rapidly and the terrorists are winning because of it.

Widespread fear? Check.
Attract media attention? Check.
Harass/embarass government authority? Check.
Discourage foreign investment? Check.
Influence government legistlation? Check.

Terrorists already accomplished their goals a long time ago. They've scared American citizens into submitting to an overreacting government's increasingly oppressive security measures which constantly chip away at our individual rights, all while everybody in the country and the world suffers from tremendous economic strain brought about by a decade-long war which has accomplished very little to destroy these terrorist organizations and their motivations. Like Ron Paul, many other libertarians, and Austrian-school economists have been saying for quite a while, especially recently, if we don't stop immediately our government and country as we know it will simply fail, and when that happens most of the other developed countries will be quick to follow.

 

[Dotini]

Golf-clap for Keef!

 

[lbsf1]

On the bbc news they spoke to the people of Abottamad (I don't have a clue how to spell it).

They showed them the video's they found in his house and they said that that was definately not osama it was someone else, (one guy said it was his neighbor), one guy claimed that the attacks had never happened on the compound. The general consensus was that Osama was not dead and that this was just a story by the americans.

As you can probably guess, I'm very skeptical still on whether Osama is dead. The video's only give a limited, edited, view. And one of the video's I have seen on the news before so it isn't even new to the press.

 

[McLaren]

We don't simply trade goods with Israel, we support them militarily. Besides that, we've had military bases throughout the Middle East for many decades, from Saudi Arabia to Kuwait to Turkey, Israel, Afghanistan, etc etc. I attempted to find them all and how long they've been there on Wikipedia, but they all have "main articles", and at the moment I can't spare a half hour to study each article.

I agree that there are many reasons, including the ones you state. But I feel the simple matter of our presence over there, doing whatever we have been doing for so long, is the main one. Imagine if these countries had military installations in your country, or in my country. How would you feel about that? If those countries paid your country billions of dollars to have that base there, not a cent of which trickled down to you?

We have been attempting to stop them for at least 10 years now. Within the past 10 years the amount of sacrifices we have made domestically in order to facilitate this battle against terrorism has been totally unprecedented in American history. The freedoms we've sacrificed, the rights that have been violated, and the economic impact of these wars have been catastrophic and absolutely unacceptable.

America is an empire right now, projecting its power everywhere, including the UK. We're occupying five RAF bases in England. Their military doesn't have any personnel in the US, and every single American I know would laugh at the suggestion that they be over here. The general consensus over here is that America is the world, and things would fall apart if we weren't holding them together.

Are you comfortable with that idea?

I think ya'll are idiots for letting it happen, letting the US house soldiers and equipment over there, and I applaud any reasonable Muslims who fight against the notion, because I would do precisely the same thing in their situation.

Fact is, the USA is a failing empire, and it's dragging the rest of the world down with it. Our country is falling apart quite rapidly and the terrorists are winning because of it.

Widespread fear? Check.
Attract media attention? Check.
Harass/embarass government authority? Check.
Discourage foreign investment? Check.
Influence government legistlation? Check.

Terrorists already accomplished their goals a long time ago. They've scared American citizens into submitting to an overreacting government's increasingly oppressive security measures which constantly chip away at our individual rights, all while everybody in the country and the world suffers from tremendous economic strain brought about by a decade-long war which has accomplished very little to destroy these terrorist organizations and their motivations. Like Ron Paul, many other libertarians, and Austrian-school economists have been saying for quite a while, especially recently, if we don't stop immediately our government and country as we know it will simply fail, and when that happens most of the other developed countries will be quick to follow.

Then. Get. Out.

It's not the fact you think the terrorists win, it's because you we believe are a failing "empire" & dragging the world down. Since you're obviously not happy with us, go live somewhere else. As for other countries, our failure isn't going to turn into theirs. You give us too much credit for our influence & talk as if it will be the end of the world. If the US was to ever fall, other major countries would find ways to get by without us.

 

[Keef]

Then. Get. Out.

Why on earth would I do that? The problem can be fixed. If I didn't care about I wouldn't bother coming in here to discuss these things. My intention is to learn about what's going on, why it's going on, and maybe one day I can be a part of the solution. I'm thoroughly optimistic that our problems can and will be solved eventually.

Not only am I in school trying to make my life better, but I'm also learning about this stuff on the side in an effort to make your life better, and you're telling me to get out? I don't even know what to say to that really, other than I hope you had a good time shopping for jeans last weekend. I was scouring my school's database for articles on Austrian economics.

 

[arvore]

On the bbc news they spoke to the people of Abottamad (I don't have a clue how to spell it).

They showed them the video's they found in his house and they said that that was definately not osama it was someone else, (one guy said it was his neighbor), one guy claimed that the attacks had never happened on the compound. The general consensus was that Osama was not dead and that this was just a story by the americans.

As you can probably guess, I'm very skeptical still on whether Osama is dead. The video's only give a limited, edited, view. And one of the video's I have seen on the news before so it isn't even new to the press.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3566964/Al-Qaeda-Osama-Bin-Laden-IS-dead.html

READ!

 

[ChadSpeed]

Why on earth would I do that? The problem can be fixed. If I didn't care about I wouldn't bother coming in here to discuss these things. My intention is to learn about what's going on, why it's going on, and maybe one day I can be a part of the solution. I'm thoroughly optimistic that our problems can and will be solved eventually.

Not only am I in school trying to make my life better, but I'm also learning about this stuff on the side in an effort to make your life better, and you're telling me to get out? I don't even know what to say to that really, other than I hope you had a good time shopping for jeans last weekend. I was scouring my school's database for articles on Austrian economics.

I think his response was to the way your post came off feeling like you disliked America.

America is unique, has been since its origin. The people, the cultures, the religions, all in the same place. Our issue is all getting along. The politics just makes that harder, all the PC nonsense, the greenie weenie agenda being shoved down my daughters throat at school, to the EPA wanting to tax business on carbon dioxide being put out.......everyone outputs carbon dioxide, now all of the sudden the trees that turn that into oxygen have been forgotten and its a serious pollutant to be taxed.

The UBL kill unified us for a short time, helped everyone remember why we love our country, why its special, why we can go into another country without them knowing and kill a terrorist they knew was there, and have no consequences. Go USA, and if you think the US is a bad place the you should leave. The country was founded on freedom and personal responsibility, both of which are challenged daily.

 

[Dapper]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...html?icid=maing-grid7|aim|dl1|sec1_lnk2|61223

Here is a pretty interesting interview about the bin laden ordeal.

 

[McLaren]

Why on earth would I do that? The problem can be fixed. If I didn't care about I wouldn't bother coming in here to discuss these things. My intention is to learn about what's going on, why it's going on, and maybe one day I can be a part of the solution. I'm thoroughly optimistic that our problems can and will be solved eventually.

To learn about what & why it's going on, you first need to have an actual understanding of what it is to begin with. Assuming the US is circling the toilet & will take the entire world with shows an extremely unfounded opinion.

Not only am I in school trying to make my life better, but I'm also learning about this stuff on the side in an effort to make your life better, and you're telling me to get out? I don't even know what to say to that really, other than I hope you had a good time shopping for jeans last weekend. I was scouring my school's database for articles on Austrian economics.

You aren't doing anything to make my life better, Keef. Don't even begin to try to act like you're actually going to make the world a better place because you're now taking interest in the world's economy in school (a US school of all place, which is usually always somewhat close minded to the rest of the world).

Please, tell me how studying in school is making my life better. Please, tell me. I'm not seeing anything in my life suddenly improving b/c you believe you're getting some better understanding of the world, which judging by the last post, you aren't. In fact, you sound like you went to school & spent some time listening to some idiot who believes he's got everything figured all before 25.

 

[Keef]

You aren't doing anything to make my life better, Keef. Don't even begin to try to act like you're actually going to make the world a better place because you're now taking interest in the world's economy in school (a US school of all place, which is usually always somewhat close minded to the rest of the world).

I'm not studying economics in school. I do it the same way Omnis and other members are, through the Mises Institute mainly, and the enormous pool of knowledge there. I use Ohio Link's database of scholarly journals to help find information. The things I'm interested in learning they don't even teach in school. You have to go find it on your own. Austrian-school economics has not been the generally accepted method for decades because it doesn't allow you to have whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want. Austrian economics is reality; Keynesian economics is fantasy. That's why it's failing.

Please, tell me how studying in school is making my life better. Please, tell me. I'm not seeing anything in my life suddenly improving b/c you believe you're getting some better understanding of the world, which judging by the last post, you aren't. In fact, you sound like you went to school & spent some time listening to some idiot who believes he's got everything figured all before 25.

Rediscovering political and economic theories that were dismissed long ago because they didn't provide certain individuals with unlimited power, and reinstating these reasonable, moral practices, is in the interest of every single person in our country, except power-hungry government officials.

 

[McLaren]

I'm not studying economics in school. I do it the same way Omnis and other members are, through the Mises Institute mainly, and the enormous pool of knowledge there. I use Ohio Link's database of scholarly journals to help find information. The things I'm interested in learning they don't even teach in school. You have to go find it on your own. Austrian-school economics has not been the generally accepted method for decades because it doesn't allow you to have whatever you want, whenever you want, however you want. Austrian economics is reality; Keynesian economics is fantasy. That's why it's failing.

So, you believe you fully understand how the economy is & where it's headed based on some journals? And that you also fully understand why these methods have been originally rejected & not just because it gave someone unlimited power?

I, truly, highly doubt that. You claim the US is failing, yet people who have been in the profession of trying to understand the world economy, men like Warren Buffet, believe our economy is still on a steady rise from what it once was 2 years ago & that unemployment rates have dropped slightly across the country.

Please enlighten us as to how your sudden interest gives you any credibility to make such claims whilst these men believe otherwise?

Rediscovering political and economic theories that were dismissed long ago because they didn't provide certain individuals with unlimited power, and reinstating these reasonable, moral practices, is in the interest of every single person in our country, except power-hungry government officials.

Still not seeing how this is an effort to improve my life because you took interest in some economic theories. Until these theories are actually put into place, anything to improve my life has been through my doing. I have been the one behind my decisions on how to keep myself stable through the economy.

How long have you been taking an interest in this? I'm guessing a period of time not really anywhere near close to what an economics professor would call dedicated. As above, there must also be a reason such theories were dismissed besides being unable to allow the govt. to be power-hungry. That's nothing more than a silly idea thought up by silly young adults whom, as said again, think they've got the whole govt. figured out & it wouldn't surprise me if you were influenced by one of them.

 

[nk4e]

Excerpts from 'al-Qaeda' statement on Bin Laden's death

A statement attributed to al-Qaeda has acknowledged the death of its leader, Osama Bin Laden, at the hands of the Americans.

The statement, published on jihadist internet forums, vows to continue attacks on the US and its "agents" and says an audiotape recorded by Bin Laden shortly before his death would be released soon.

The communique - attributed to al-Qaeda's General Command - is dated 3 May. Here are some excerpts.

"On an historical day of the days of the great Islamic Ummah [community of Muslims worldwide]... the mujahid migrant ascetic leader - Sheikh Abu Abdullah Osama Bin Mohammed Bin Laden (may God bless his soul) has been killed in a moment of truthfulness, for he made his word truthful to his actions.

"Thus, he joined the magnificent procession of the Ummah that has been extended with the great leaders, loyal soldiers, and honourable knights.

"He refused to accept vice in exchange for his religion, or to submit and be humiliated by the misguided and the receivers of the wrath [of God], who have been stricken by disgrace and misery. The sheikh faced the weapon with weapon, force with force, and accepted to challenge the supercilious throngs that came out arrogantly and ostentatiously with their machinery, gear, aircrafts, and armies.

"Despite all this, his determination never wavered and his strength was never weakened; he instead stood up to them, face-to-face like a high mountain. He continued to fight the kind of battles that he was accustomed to... until he received the bullets of deception and non-belief to surrender his soul to its Creator...

"After a life full of efforts and diligence, courage and patience, incitement and jihad, generosity and charity, expatriation and travels, advice and good planning, wisdom and sophistication, the life of the sheikh came to an end during this specific era.

"His blood, words, attitudes, and his ending are to remain a soul running within the junctions of our Islamic Ummah generation after generation.

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We call on our Muslim people in Pakistan where Sheikh Usama was killed to revolt and wash this shame brought upon them by a band of traitors and bandits”

"If the Americans succeeded in killing Osama, that is no shame or disgrace. Are not men and heroes killed but on the battlefields? But can the Americans, with their media, agents, tools, soldiers, and apparatus kill what Sheikh Osama lived and died for?

"Alas! The sheikh did not found an organisation that lives with his life and dies with his death.

"Sheikh Osama Bin Laden, God bless him, was not a prophet sent during the 20th Century, but rather a Muslim man from this honourable Muslim Ummah.

"God raised his rank as he held high His religion. He cherished him as he cherished the religion; and through him, God frightened the totality of the unbelieving nations as [Osama] feared only the religion of God.

"If the light of Islam and jihad could be extinguished with the killing or death of someone, it would have been extinguished the day the master of the creation, Muhammad, peace be upon him, died and some Arabs committed apostasy.

Blood 'a curse'
"Based on this understanding, we in al-Qaeda vow to God the Exalted and seek His support to help us go forward on the path of jihad that was trekked by our leaders, headed by Sheikh Osama.

"We will not relent or hesitate; we will not stray or quit until God judges between us and our enemies by the truth, He indeed is the fairest of judges.

"We stress that Sheikh Osama's blood, God bless his soul, is more precious to us and to every Muslim to go in vain. It will, God willing, remain a curse that will chase and haunt the Americans and their agents inside and outside the country.


Bin Laden's compound was under the noses of Pakistan's military
"Very soon, God willing, their joy will turn into mourning and their blood will be mixed with their tears. We will fulfil Sheikh Osama's oath, God bless his soul: 'America and anyone who lives in America will not enjoy peace until our people in Palestine enjoy it.'

"The soldiers of Islam, whether in groups or individually, will not relent, despair, surrender, or weaken and will continue to plan until you are afflicted with a catastrophe that turns your children's hair grey prematurely.

"We call on our Muslim people in Pakistan where Sheikh Osama was killed to revolt and wash this shame brought upon them by a band of traitors and bandits who sold out to the Ummah's enemies and disparaged the sentiment of this noble, mujahid people.

"We call on them to revolt altogether to cleanse their country, Pakistan, of the American filth who spread mischief in the land.

"The sheikh refused to depart this life before sharing his Muslim Ummah its happiness with the revolutions against injustice and wrongdoers. He, may God bless his soul, recorded a message one week before he died, which included a congratulatory note, advice, and guidance that will soon, God willing, be disseminated.

"He concluded his message with these poetic verses: 'Telling the tyrant the truth is the honour and the hope. It is the path to this life and the path to the next. You can choose to die a slave or a freeborn.'

"We warn the Americans against any mishandling or improper treatment of the sheikh's corpse or anyone of his noble family whether dead or alive.

"The corpse should be handed over to their families. Otherwise, any mistreatment will open for you multiple doors of evil for which you can only blame yourselves. We call on all Muslims to carry out their duty to demand this right."

 

[Keef]

Sounds to me like they want us to leave them alone or they will attempt to kill us all.

From that you can infer that our options are to either leave them alone, or detroy all of Islam.

They're crazy, I'll give you that. But are we not crazy for fighting a battle that will never ease until we achieve complete extinction? The only reasonable solution I see is to save our economy and what freedoms we have left, and simply give up before we destroy ourselves. Any reasonable, liberty-respecting person would agree.

 

[icelt]

Sounds to me like they want us to leave them alone or they will attempt to kill us all.

From that you can infer that our options are to either leave them alone, or detroy all of Islam.

They're crazy, I'll give you that. But are we not crazy for fighting a battle that will never ease until we achieve complete extinction? The only reasonable solution I see is to save our economy and what freedoms we have left, and simply give up before we destroy ourselves. Any reasonable, liberty-respecting person would agree.

Man I gotta admit, I see a fair bit of "rational self interest" in that opinion. Goodness we are spending and inordinate amount of time, money and people on a "foreign deranged minority," if I can describe the Islamist extremists in my own words.

Now I presume you don't mean "give up" literally, clearly in my mind it will always be reasonable and sensible for us to respond to direct attacks (be they against "our" people, things or "interests"). However I understand that "interests" is probably where the most debate circles around, pretty subjective term that.

For me, reducing our "nose poking" into other countries' business is definitely a concept I support. How we really make that happen, pretty challenging prospect I do agree.

 

[arora]

Where all da women at?

A Brooklyn-based Hasidic newspaper removed Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and another woman from the now-iconic photo ....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ml?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk1|61815

Sounds to me like they want us to leave them alone or they will attempt to kill us all.

From that you can infer that our options are to either leave them alone, or destroy all of Islam.

Ah the lovely holy war, could be argued the U.S. created this way back when Isrial gained state hood, or back to Hitler, or back to the begining of time really.

Funny the al-qaeda statement I quoted the other day excluded this anti-semitic part of this same line from above post.(I probably saw it on Roeters or something similiar, I should have quoted the sorce )

"Very soon, God willing, their joy will turn into mourning and their blood will be mixed with their tears. We will fulfil Sheikh Osama's oath, God bless his soul: 'America and anyone who lives in America will not enjoy peace until our people in Palestine enjoy it.'

That means death to the jews in my eyes and not if Palestinians gain state hood etc etc will they 'enjoy it'. There for islamic radical terrorists will then leave the west alone.

"Destroy all of Islam" is a rediculous ultimatum imo because al-qaeda and other islamic terrorists have killed plenty of islams as well.

 

[Starfirebird]

Sounds to me like they want us to leave them alone or they will attempt to kill us all.

From that you can infer that our options are to either leave them alone, or detroy all of Islam.

They're crazy, I'll give you that. But are we not crazy for fighting a battle that will never ease until we achieve complete extinction? The only reasonable solution I see is to save our economy and what freedoms we have left, and simply give up before we destroy ourselves. Any reasonable, liberty-respecting person would agree.

I'm not sure it can be saved.It's a scary thought i know.

I highly suggest checking this documentary out if you can. Collapse
This guy(Michael Ruppert)Tells you things that the News shows won't tell you.It's an eye opener for sure.

It's on Netflix right now and you can Instantly Stream it.It's well worth the watch.