Ovals VS Road Courses
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Tell you what, get PD to give us the TT course, 37 miles of normal, twisting bumpy country roads, over mountains and through villages flanked by stone walls and hedgerows mere feet from the road and ditch. Then you can have as many loopy circuits as you want, for we will have the 'Ring and the Island. Then you all want a real challange? Get PD to add a couple of MotoGP bikes!!
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:Gives up on thread:
Can't we all accept that NASCAR will be in GT5 and ovals are certainly coming with it.
I may have come across wrong in other posts, I do want to see it built into the final game, and I will use it.
I just don't want a game that has had such a positive impact on so many, namely us here at GTplanet, to become dominated by it, since GT has always been about mastering circuits in multiple supercars and world-class racing cars.
I'm sure no-one here wants to see NASCAR take over GT, that's what NASCAR '10 is for.
I just wanted to point out to the fanboys, that not everyone likes it, and do find it boring. Because, in short, NASCAR is driving in a circle, and there is no denying that.
And Earth, I'm sure you're just being defensive, but can you not have such a go at the people who don't like NASCAR and find it boring. Yes, it is unique. But saying that there is something wrong with someone because they don't like something just is not on.
Can't we all accept that NASCAR will be in GT5 and ovals are certainly coming with it.
I may have come across wrong in other posts, I do want to see it built into the final game, and I will use it.
I just don't want a game that has had such a positive impact on so many, namely us here at GTplanet, to become dominated by it, since GT has always been about mastering circuits in multiple supercars and world-class racing cars.
I'm sure no-one here wants to see NASCAR take over GT, that's what NASCAR '10 is for.
I just wanted to point out to the fanboys, that not everyone likes it, and do find it boring. Because, in short, NASCAR is driving in a circle, and there is no denying that.
And Earth, I'm sure you're just being defensive, but can you not have such a go at the people who don't like NASCAR and find it boring. Yes, it is unique. But saying that there is something wrong with someone because they don't like something just is not on.
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That is exactly what I'm saying...
It's very simple, you really can. The first time I saw football (soccer), it was on tv, and I immediately fell in love with it. I can judge perfectly from a tv screen that I like tennis, snooker, various kinds of road racing (if it's cockpit cam, I love that), cyclocross (very big over here), etc, just like I can judge I'm not interested in basketball, American football, boxing and oval racing. I don't need to be there in person, because I'm watching the same thing.
Like I said, I can't judge the atmosphere, but atmosphere doesn't make a sport for me.
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Precisely. However, some people in this thread seem to believe the poll will be reflected on GT5 once it's released. And they are bothered to argue about how many oval tracks do they want or not, when in fact there's no reason to.
To be honest, anyone who thinks NASCAR will take over GT is just plain wrong. I mean, how could it? They have no basis to believe that is going to happen.
Why is everyone who likes NASCAR a fanboy? And what does it matter if NASCAR is "driving in a circle"? People are allowed to express their opinions. And the opinion of some people, including myself, is that we like oval courses, so the more the merrier. Driving in the Super Speedway 150 miles was one of my most entertaining experiences in GT. I can't imagine how fun would it be with over 10 cars. People seem to forget that NASCAR is more than just "driving in circles", because you are completely ignoring the fact that there's racing in those "circles", and that's what makes it exciting and, to me, not boring at all, as opposed if I got into a practice in an oval, alone, in which the "driving in circles" definition would be more precise. Guess what, you should expand the way you define NASCAR, because it is unfair. And since NASCAR is what I'm defending on this thread (given the fact is is the bashed sport at hand) this is where I will stop.
To finish this thread, I will say that I do not agree with everyone post defending NASCAR here. But I do agree with this one:
Because at the end of the day, I too will have to pay for hundreds of cars I hate and won't even use. But I won't go asking for them not to be included in the game, because I know of a lot of people who like them and will make good use of them.
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I want all roadcourses and all ovals on which NASCAR actually drive... I mean PD has NASCAR licence, so they should use it properly. Also those many very different ovals (and roadcourses) are amazing, would be a shame to miss some. 👍
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Yes people are allowed to express their opinion, and just as some have the opinion that ovals and oval racing is great, others do not and are free to express that opinion. Like Earth said in a previous post...
Well thats an opinion not a fact. YOU think its exciting and enjoyable. However, I and many others would only ever find it exciting and enjoyable if we were in the actual car doing it... not sitting in a stand watching it, not watching it on TV, and not (and this is the point that is relevant to this thread) racing it in a game. To be honest I dont find watching any form of motorsport interesting unless I can actually go to the pits and chat to the engineers and drivers who have built and tuned the car. Overall motorsport is a boring spectator sport, you're watching cars go round a track over and over and over for goodness sake. That's probably why I find hill climbs more interesting than most other forms of racing as a spectator.
Switch out attention back to GT for a sec and you have to realise that in the context of games, where motorsport is a great focus for a game, however many people dont like ovals, that's it, that's how they feel. This thread is just 26 pages of "I dont like ovals/NASCAR" and "But its so awesome you have to love it". People can spin it however they want, throwing around insults like people being uneducated, but really its just 26 pages of pointlessness (which I am now adding to
).I'd be more than happy if GT included every NASCAR and IRL track... assuming it also included every V8 supercar track, every F1 track, every FIA GT track, every BTCC, DTM and STCC track.
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Can't really disagree with that. I usually think it's rather boring unless they switch to cockpit cam and you can see their driving line and cornering from that view. Always very interesting and fun to watch in my opinion.
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Not quite. Driving in circles would be staying on a round-a-bout for a few hours. NASCAR is definitely different from that. I myself may not have found it portrayed well in any game I've tried, nor have I found as fun to watch as circuit racing, but I bet that actually doing it in reality would be something hard to not enjoy. The sound of 800 hp and the g forces of a 200 mph turn on a slightly bumpy road, it's like taking an already fun highway cruise and multiplying by 100.
What FSAE team are you on?
http://web.mit.edu/fsae/
http://web.mit.edu/fsae/gallery/index.html
Yeah, I can't actually ever see myself going to a race in person, not even LeMans or Sebring. TV does it better.
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I think the Nascar acquisition by PD is very clever. If they implement it well, and how I think they will, it'll open up the game to a whole new market. I'm looking forward to a different challenge, I couldn't watch Nascar a lot, but I think playing it, will be fun, especially as there haven't been many Nascar games that have actually been that good.
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I have developed a theory that Sony is using GT5 as an introduction to Sony's NASCAR. Once GT5 hits they will announce a new standalone NASCAR game using the GT5 engine. It will be developed by a studio in the US though. Not sure if they will do the same with IRL, I guess I will have to wait and see if they push it as much as they have with NASCAR.
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NASCAR isn't the most exciting thing to watch on TV but I bet going to a real race would be pretty awesome. I wen't to an NHRA event this year and holy ****!! When the top fuels launched it made my face feel numb and like something hit me in the chest. So much better than on TV.
shirakawaa
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Personal preference, if more ovals are added, that they would be Rovals (containing infield road courses). This seems to the trend with the latest ovals PD has added.
Rovals would seem to give both party's on the issue something.
I agree!
The only thing is that the infield courses tend to be a bit too flat and have too short straights in my opinion, but they're still better than nothing. They are probably best suited for not too much powerful cars and "track-day" events.
Gejabo
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why don't you understand that? I Think there could not be road courses enough.
ok there could be a few more ovals but 4 or 5 are plenty.
but it's all about personal preferences
I do understand that real NASCAR fans would like more ovals as I would like to have some tracks from the DTM series.
shirakawaa
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why don't you understand that? I Think there could not be road courses enough.
ok there could be a few more ovals but 4 or 5 are plenty.
but it's all about personal preferences
I do understand that real NASCAR fans would like more ovals as I would like to have some tracks from the DTM series.
I disagree: 4-5 ovals are just barely enough to represent NASCAR correctly.
Daytona and Indianapolis are already in, but Talladega is a very famous superspeedway that would really have to be included, and so would be the popular short high banked oval Bristol. But I would expect in addition to these ones at least 3-4 more ovals and the other road course in addition to Infineon Raceway curretly used in NASCAR: Watkins Glen.
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True, but you'd have to wonder if that's even the point of the NASCAR license. Look at the WRC license, I doubt they'll have anywhere near enough courses to represent it correctly. I wouldn't expect too much from either license to be honest, track wise. I bet we'll see a lot of NASCAR and WRC fields on regular road courses.
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I'm a big IRL fan; can't believe I missed the inclusion of it in GT5.
As for ovals, they are certainly not boring. Texas Motor Speedway is right next door to me, and the racing is always exciting. I understand that there are people who get bored by it, but not all oval tracks are the same. I would hope for at least five American ovals...
Superspeedway- Daytona
Historic- Indianapolis
Short Track- Bristol
Speedway- Texas
Unique- Martinsville or Darlington
I had hoped since Kaz visited TMS that it would be in the game with its oval, reverse oval, road, legends (for karting) and roval. Still hoping for it...
As for ovals, they are certainly not boring. Texas Motor Speedway is right next door to me, and the racing is always exciting. I understand that there are people who get bored by it, but not all oval tracks are the same. I would hope for at least five American ovals...
Superspeedway- Daytona
Historic- Indianapolis
Short Track- Bristol
Speedway- Texas
Unique- Martinsville or Darlington
I had hoped since Kaz visited TMS that it would be in the game with its oval, reverse oval, road, legends (for karting) and roval. Still hoping for it...
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