Ovals VS Road Courses

[Sasek]

But you still turning left, left, left, left and other left, and left, and guess what another LEFT!! WoW thats very cool! Can't wait for 10 or more ovals in game... n/c

 

[MatskiMonk]

But you still turning left, left, left, left and other left, and left, and guess what another LEFT!! WoW thats very cool! Can't wait for 10 or more ovals in game... n/c

Maybe you'd be better off with a flight sim.. that way you can go up and down, as well as left and right

 

[kartracer2442]

I love oval racing and i hate when people say its stupid. Even though I do think its boring to watch the ENTIRE thing on TV I love watching the first 50 laps and last 50 laps because that is where alll the action is. I even race go karts on ovals in a NATIONAL series. It would be awesome if PD could include AT LEAST a short track (1/4-1/2 mile), 2 speedways (1- 1 1/2 miles) along with Daytona, Talladega, and Indy. By the way, I think road course racing is cool too and hope to try it out next year in a kart.

I voted to let PD decide

 

[SCUD77]

If there are too many ovals & or oval road courses I can see a European backlash against pd.
in prologue the Daytona course bores me to near death and the road course has no style or character just concrete walls and grandstands Indianapolis in the gt academy was the same. the other thing is how is the penalty going to work in nascar ? I mean nudging the car in front is all part of the race ! It wont be very "real" if you were to get a 5 second penalty for a little nudge.
No more than 3 ovals for me please the rest should be twisting trough woodlands past lakes and mountains over blind crests and through tunnels that carve into the hillside as you power through 300 foot high cliffside hairpins stroking the bumper on the guard rail as you drift out passing through valleys and splashing through streams as they crossover the road as you fly over the finish line victorious.

 

[eSZee]

But you still turning left, left, left, left and other left, and left, and guess what another LEFT!! WoW thats very cool! Can't wait for 10 or more ovals in game... n/c

Run along kiddo, let the grown ups talk.

 

[Tomoholic]

I'll be happy with however many ovals we do get, but at the same time I hope we get a version of each type of oval, like one short track, one speedway, and one super speedway for instance.

I find NASCAR very interesting to watch. I find it facsinating how they can keep such tight formations at such high speeds on the big tracks like Daytona.

 

[Antonisbob]

'nuff shown.

 

[Chad D.]

I'm sorry but ovals are extremely boring. Honestly, there's no need for sleeping pills.. if you're having trouble sleeping take a few laps around an oval course and you'll be nodding off in no time.

on top of that there's really no challenge.

lol, try doing the challenge on GT5P where you drive the R34 around the track to beat a specific time with professional physics, then tell me its boring, lol (on standard physics its just to easy)

 

[regnar]

^ Daytona, many moons ago

 

[Pingwhen]

Atlanta ( which i feel will be in teh game) Lowes, Daytona, no need to dega if daytona is in there. which ALSO THANK GOD they have real Daytona in the game, the track wont be the same once they are done resurfacing it., and Bristol are pretty much my must haves. if i dont get them i wont be downed, but i think those are the most obvious picks. i know indy is in the game, but thats in the game for the 500 more than the 400.

 

[Chad D.]

But you still turning left, left, left, left and other left, and left, and guess what another LEFT!! WoW thats very cool! Can't wait for 10 or more ovals in game... n/c

lol, like you put to much thought into that comment (and some ovals are tough dude, only tracks like daytona and talladega are the ones that you might get bored with, but tracks like richmond, chicagoland, kansas, and california speedway (especially california speedway, in nr2003, i cant do good there if my life depended on it, now kansas and chicagoland i'm the king, not sure why though) those tracks actually need braking and certain lines to take, and if you think just left, left, left is gonna get you around those, lol, good luck with that, i mean, obviously i'm not gonna change your opinion, but then, try and actually think about something before commenting

besides, tally and daytona are where your get the real speed, (or the test track that takes forever to get around in a honda odessey, which was hell, lol)

 

[Antonisbob]

But you still turning left, left, left, left and other left, and left, and guess what another LEFT!! WoW thats very cool! Can't wait for 10 or more ovals in game... n/c

 

[RACECAR]

And this is exactly what I'm talking about. No reasonable discussion, only bashing. How do you judge what takes more skill by just sitting there on the couch and playing a game with a controller rather then doing actual laps on the course itself, in real life? That fact some of you use a video game to determine that ovals have "no challenge" and somehow think all you do is keep your foot on the gas and turn left is really mind blowing.

 

[thal689]

Ok if you don't like NASCAR that's one thing I understand. It does appear to be a simple form of racing. but don't pretend to know what you're talking about. there are a lot of people on this site that pretend to know a lot about NASCAR . If you think there all the same and are no challenge then you are in for a rude awakening on Nov 3. That is if GT does it right. I think many of you have taken laps in a car that didn't go fast enough to cause it to push in the turns. Id like to see half and half 50/50.

Daytona is a easy oval if that is the oval you have raced on......it doesn't count. No restrictor plate tracks count if you know what that is. You all just wait. If you play online you guys that say left left left are gonna get lapped lapped lapped.

 

[airjoker88]

If you enjoy the concept of pushing a car to its limit and trying to compete against the physics of earth. Then this topic is irrelevant.




ps: Racing

 

[thal689]

I enjoy racing other drivers. not just racing the track. that's the heart of NASCAR and ovals . having to deal with your car and 42 other drivers that you will race around during the race.

 

[airjoker88]

I enjoy racing other drivers. not just racing the track. that's the heart of NASCAR and ovals . having to deal with your car and 42 other drivers that you will race around during the race.

I know that that's a given. (competition)

I was just implying the essence.

 

[thal689]

By putting NASCAR in the game it has really stirred up the hate that road racers have for NASCAR it might be a little jealousy because the sport is so big. I love ALL forms of racing. NASCAR is first though. like you said pushing it to the limit that is racing.

ill say this to the hardcore GT fans please understand that EA sports has put out unbalanced crappy NASCAR game dating back to 04. We haven't had a good console game since thunder 03. I myself am so looking forward to as many ovals as possible . So sorry if us country boys have invaded your game

 

[UN_OC]

We only need a few... there aren't that many types of ovals... there are small ones that look like ovals

then there are rectangels with soft angles rather than right angles and finally there are big ones where you just mash your foot to the floor.


Done.


There are more different types of corners in one normal track then there are ina ll oval tracks combined.


I say chuck in Indy, Monza banked circuit and maybe 2 more. Done.



Nascars go both ways (like a bisexual..... sorry had to)... all other cars CAN take corners and most are MADE TO take corners. So if we have anything more than like 5% tracks being ovals I can't see why they would do it.

Nascars wont be more than 5% of the cars. 1000 cars, I'd be suprised if we saw 50 nascars in the game. If we have 100 tracks then 5 ovals are good and done.



Excuse my ignorance about NASCAR as ive only seen it a few times, but since nascars is just a small portion of the game in car terms and nascars best race nascars, (hopefully can be beaten by other touring cars aswell), then really only a small no of tracks should be ovals.


THe problem is that nascar and specifically oval racing is a very different type of racing compared to 'normal' circuits. Oval racing is about getting behind a car then moving to the front and always being in contention without sticking yourself up the front allowing others to tack your draft. And driving in what is essentially a 200mph traffic jam.

Track racing on the other hand is about racing against the lap, yes there are overtakes, but much of the racing is your ability to get around the corners and sacrifice vs reward for top speed vs handling vs etc...

Hencemost people (like myslef) don't find nascar that interesting as we like to challenge ourselves against a track and conditions and then find a rare pass.

Nascar fans like seeing passing and hcanging of the lead and don't really understand how watch drivers loose half a tenth through a corner through going with a late apex is anywhere near as interesting as bobby junior getting into the draft and passing johnny jr on the outside

 

[TexManZero]

That sums up about my major dislike about road courses. If I want to go see a driver compete against a track, I'll go watch time trials. NASCAR and IRL have actual passing, and the competition is with other drivers going 200 MPH or more at one time. I like all types of racing, but tracks like Toronto and Edmonton put me to sleep.

 

[RACECAR]

If you enjoy the concept of pushing a car to its limit and trying to compete against the physics of earth. Then this topic is irrelevant.




ps: Racing

This

 

[UN_OC]

And texMan, your post sums up why I hate nascar....

wow... a change of lead... and then another i bet he'll hold it for a wh.. oh wait already passed... next corner, another left hander and... already passed... someones getting ahead and is brought back by flags.


racing to me is against the track and other. You have to be skilled at both racing around a track ( a massive feat in itself) and then you need to be able to race other. I prefer to see cars dueling at chicanes and running parallel into corners than just seeing the same basic, stick behind car, move out pass, next car sticks behind leader moves out na d passes.

The game needs to counter for both of us


So that's why I'm arguing that with nascar being about 5% of the cars, we should have 5 ovals tracks. Nascars can go on other tracks as well, so having 5% ovals is pretty big. Then 5-10% rally racing a bit of each type, icey snow, dirt, etc..

And then 50% real tracks, and then remaining 35-40% being made up tracks like deep valley and trial mountain, complex string, smokey mountain etc...

 

[Quintin03]

But you still turning left, left, left, left and other left, and left, and guess what another LEFT!! WoW thats very cool! Can't wait for 10 or more ovals in game... n/c

And if at one track you're turning Right-Left-Right-Right-Left-Left-Left-Right and you do exactly that at another track are they the same or comparable?

 

[LSX]

UNOC, watch more Nascar, you're describing it pretty well with everything you're saying it isint. The drivers and teams are racing the track, because its constantly changing, so the car is constantly adjusted to keep the best possible lap time, or make a sacrifice for handling. That is how you keep good track position to have a chance to win, you need to be at the front. You can see drivers trying to stay ahead and pass as well, losing tenths a lap to a pursuing car, or a leading car, it happens all the time. Without a perfect car, which is rare, you won't see them just driving around each other passing at will, its way more competitive than that, battles can be side by side for laps once a driver finally makes it to a car they were following. Restrictor plate racing, yeah every position changes in a lap, a pass is no big deal, keep in mind all 43 cars can be covered by 2.5 seconds though, which is impressive its self being they are moving at 185-200 miles an hour at the plate tracks, arms length apart.

I was just as excited to watch Button gap Alonso last weekebd as I was as the Daytona 500, be a bit open minded.

 

[MadduckUK]

And if at one track you're turning Right-Left-Right-Right-Left-Left-Left-Right and you do exactly that at another track are they the same or comparable?

i think that track would need to finish with a left rather than a right...

 

[shirakawaa]

After watching this video:

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I think that the Autodrome de Linas - Montlhéry should be included. 51 degrees banking for the oval section! And it's also got a road course so that it can be interesting for those who are not fans of ovals too.

 

[African Kat]

Oval racing is about getting behind a car then moving to the front and always being in contention without sticking yourself up the front allowing others to tack your draft. And driving in what is essentially a 200mph traffic jam.

Well said - Circuits and ovals require different techniques and both are challenging. Americans grow up with Nascar and so understand it enough to know that it requires real skill and technique. If GT5 does it right, with the amount of slipstream, the car count( alot), the laps (40+) and the atmosphere it should be really exciting:tup:

I would think that about 5-6 ovals( hopefully with their road course alternatives) would be cool, as long as there's enough circuits on offer.

 

[HaRdLiNeR]

UN_OC Nascars wont be more than 5% of the cars. 1000 cars, I'd be suprised if we saw 50 nascars in the game. If we have 100 tracks then 5 ovals are good and done.

You're absolutely right!
I have the same opinion!

 

[shirakawaa]

There has never been any definite proportion between cars and tracks.
What about dirt tracks? In GT4 there were proportionally more of them than proper rally cars.

 

[Quintin03]

i think that track would need to finish with a left rather than a right...

Although the last corner would need to be an increasing radius it is certainly possible and I have tried.