If you are going to respond to me, please use some intelligence, and some grammar skills
I speak french, we'll both ahve to make an effort.
I'll reiterate, all this started with me responding about how Nascar is the easiest form of professional racing, due to the fact that they race all, but two races, on ovals.
Oblige me to be intelligent here and prove my point.
Jimmy Johnson and Average Joe meet on a weekend.
They race 1 lap in a FXX Ferrari Enzo on a formula one circuit. Then race a dirt/gravel point to point rally stage in Loeb's car. And finnaly an oval in Jimmy's sprint car.
Now they obviously can't drive a F1 so I gave them an Enzo, and, for the sake of this example, Jimmy's laps and rally time are all 1 minute. Now in wich event will Average Joe be the quickest to the finish line? My personnal answer: an oval. Is slowest time will be in rally, then the circuit, oval being the better.
You will say: "this is not racing conditions", alright then, let's give him a rolling start on the circuit, one car on his right, two other cars in front and behind him, every car a meter away, all formula one drivers except Average, what will happen to him the first hard braking corner may I ask?
Now for the rally stage, let's give him an icy stage, it's snowing, visibility is almost inexistant, you have to rely on your copilot instructions, do you think he will finish the stage (he can't cheat and go at 30)? Now, oval, 200mph, surrounded by cars, three feet between each one, he might hit someone else, but chances are he will last longer in this setup, it's like following a car very close on the highway, noone will brake hard, no sudden move to the right or left, noone will have to yield through the corner as you can race 2 wide at 200mph. If it's Bristol he might hit someone under braking, but those things brake so slowly he might be alright if he miss the braking point by a meter or two.
Same thing can be said about every race series, no fans means no money. That is why the A1GP failed, it couldn't attract fans.
But the point is, how many people race on ovals on a track day? When you race for the sake of racing yourself and others? Would you rather race a field of 40 cars in Nice's streets or the Autobahn?
Here's what an oval is; small amount of corners, all constant radius, almost no Gs, high banking, 3 lane wide, you have to be a total noob to oversteer or understeer under these conditions, there is so much room for error, the apex is so easy to hit, how can a race driver not be bored?, why would someone that good and competitive race something less challenging?, those guys race on the limit yet they don't want to master an environment where reaction time must be spot on? You drive on the highway at 200mph, there is no traffic, sure it's fast and you'll sweat your arse off, it's scary, but do this for a week and it won't be as exciting, for a month and it won't be anymore. It's all about entertainment. If it wasn't to entertain millions of people they wouldn't race in circle on tarmac. The strongest competitors want the strongest competition, from their opponents, and track.
1)If you are trying to make NASCAR sound bad, don't reduce your grammar to a horrible level.
2)Every thing that isn't point to point is going in a circle.
3)They go 200mph, how is that slow?
4)Any driver that gets paid is a professional driver, making NASCAR drivers professional.
I like Nascar, the most fun I have with my best friend in Forza 3 is racing our 300Ms, Nascar engine swap. But on a circuit, not an oval. It's easy on an oval.
2 and 4 are semantics.
I never said 200mph is slow, I said reaction time on an oval is slow, relatively speaking; when you compare to road courses.
Once again, not everything has to be state of the art to be interesting.
Not everything has to be state of the art, but when you are the state of the art serie in stock car racing, you should be running state of the art technology, those cars could go a second or two faster around Daytona. A little modern technology upgrade to be up-to-date with the 1960s, nothing radical that would ruin Nascar, they would still bounce all over the place, but with 20st century technology at least. I'm not talking about a rear diffuser, just some things that were brought to racing half a century ago.
I'm guessing you are around 12 and have had computers and all that crap your whole life and have never had to deal with things that were just plain simple, they also were a lot more fun.
A personnal attack isn't an argument. 12 is the time that passed since I have the right to vote.
Ask a black person about those simpler times.
Once again, what is a proper "race version"?
A car that has the handling characteristics of a race car. Look at a V8 supercar, the backend doesn't jerk under hard braking (yaw), it's composed in corner entry, a Nascar is all over the place they have to fight with it constantly. I'm not just saying that, Jacques Villeneuve, Patrick Carpentier and Alex Tagliani all said similar things regarding the nationwide cars they drove at Montreal in 2008, and they were amongst the leaders, they weren't just complaining. And Jacques, wich is known for is criticism when a car isn't top notch, specifically said it felt a lot heavier than it actually is. I don't have a quote and if I find the RDS (TSN) footage it'll be in french.
Once again, how is 200mph slow?
Read, read, read my friend.
Also, if it's so easy than why can't JPM win on ovals? Sure he was crap in F1 when he switched, but surely if NASCAR drivers are so bad even the worst F1 drivers could beat them.
The Sprint Cup drivers are good drivers, they are better than all of us, but not as good as drivers in other renown series are, the front of the field might be able to compete in DTM or JGTC, but they'd be at the back maybe getting lapped, who knows, Montoya would probably be amongst the leaders if he didn't lose his touch racing in circles. Now if you take DTM and JGTC drivers and put them all in a Sprint cup car they would probably all be spread out evenly in the pack on ovals and leading on road course, how can you tell Lewis Hamilton from Jimmy Johnson if the course is easier than their skills, wich is what an oval is.
Have a great day friend, don't be afraid to face the truth, it can only make you a better man.
