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What I do find shocking is that people want to Celebrate it, which I heard the Government has banned.
What's to celebrate? At the time, the newspapers ran headlines that read OUR SHAME. There's nothing to celebrate.

No, what the people who want to "celebrate" really want to do is be deliberately antagonistic towards the Muslim community. They're privately hoping that there will be some kind of backlash from the Muslim community, which they can then use to further justify their hate because they will present it as "we were just enjoying our freedom".
 
Why the hell was he voted in the first place?
Because the previous government was inept and prone to squabbling among themselves. Abbott pretty much had to show up on election day to win. But the old adage "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" was quickly proven true.
 
I feel like the idiot leaders have been flushed out for now, regardless of how you feel towards the Liberal party Turnbull has his head screwed on, and same applies to Shorten(atleast from a opposition leader perspective).
 
Watching the 2 US main parties nomination process makes me think, should we have a similar Situation?

As of right now all our political parties Choose their own nominee and then we get to choose who is Prime Minister from that, given our super High voter turnout(because its in Law to vote) this Would bolster our Countries Democratic System significantly.
 
Watching the 2 US main parties nomination process makes me think, should we have a similar Situation?

As of right now all our political parties Choose their own nominee and then we get to choose who is Prime Minister from that, given our super High voter turnout(because its in Law to vote) this Would bolster our Countries Democratic System significantly.
If that existed already, it makes me wonder if Tony Abbott (I feel sorry for you guys having to deal with that man for PM until last year) would even have had a chance if the people got to decide the "nominee".
 
Abbott was never anyone's favourite.


Also giving the Party the ability to dispose a leader needs to be addressed if this was to happen, because I could see it happening within 5minutes after someone winning the vote.

There has rarely been a case where I have voted for someone and thought this person is best or even good at the job, more or less just ends up a vote of lesser evils.
 
The system we have now really makes me think voting should be optional. I don't want to choose out of 2 bad Prime Ministers, I'd rather sit and watch them dig themselves a grave.

Though an issue with US's poltical system is that guys like Donald Trump and Kanye West can get very close to taking the main roles just by being popular with people and spewing 🤬
 
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So it looks like this elections main talking points will be focused on Housing affordability and Negative gearing.

Labour are proposing Negative gearing should be limited to just new houses, whilst Liberal are arguing it has to stay exactly the same or instability will insure.

My view point on how the Economy will react: Our economy is at record low interest rates in a effort to boost spending in the economy, however the main thing that gets effected is housing as it gets a massive boost in value every time interest rates go lower..

In a Economy where everything is stale yet housing affordability is getting harder and harder how is this possibly sustainable, if interest rates keep lowering combined with measures put in place to subsidize the economy into buying investment property that otherwise wouldn't be profitable, your creating a self inflicted one way economy based purely on housing and construction.

This will create a bubble that if explodes will do more and more damage to the economy the longer it goes.
By removing eligibility requirements on Negative gearing strictly to those that create supply via new housing you might go at least some way in the other direction of allowing our economy to not be solely based on one part of the economy.


From my view point as someone who is in their mid 20s looking to get into the property market but is struggling simply because housing affordability at this point in time is lower then any other point in history(so in simple terms, when it comes to the property market I am significantly poorer then anyone in my situation in the past when it comes to affording a property), it's difficult to accept, sure you can say demand has increased, however the supply is being restricted by investors who have had Welfare in the form of negative gearing tax breaks giving them the unfair market advantage.

As someone who is a believer of capitalism and or those who are a first home buyer the situation right now has been created by crony capitalism/Welfare for those who did already.
I don't think Labours plan even goes anywhere near enough to what would sort the situation out from an economy perspective and as an affordability perspective but given these two choices it's a no brainier for me atleast that Labours policy is superior.

and this is coming from someone who has never considered voting Labour in the past, however I am not happy that this is as far as the two parties will go to address the situation, they are still putting the economy at massive risk and are risking a recession not yet seen in Australia if this keeps going in the same direction.

Oh how badly does Australia need the election process changed so we can vote for who leads a party.
 
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May 26 recently passed.... Should we be really embarrassed that we have an annual "Sorry Day"?

Will it ever become "I Accept Your Apology Day"?
 
We hold on to the past like a childhood teddy bear sadly. We'll always have to say sorry, we'll always have to do the same things every year because of something that happened to the point where the whole thing really becomes meaningless
 
Will it ever become "I Accept Your Apology Day"?
Sure. When it's meaningful. The apology was only ever meant to be a symbolic recognition of the past, not absolution. Why do you think that there is a push for constitutional recognition? It's because the process of reconciliation and self-determination is ongoing. No doubt one day it will evolve into something more, but until then, expecting that one politically-charged act will somehow correct the course of history is madness.
 
Why do you think that there is a push for constitutional recognition?
Would it be fair to state in layman's terms that the constitution describes "how we should live"? In that respect there's no reason for aboriginal Australians to be singled out in the negatively racist way they have been, or in the "positively" racist way they might be. It'd be just more lip service, being completely the wrong forum.
No doubt one day it will evolve into something more, but until then, expecting that one politically-charged act will somehow correct the course of history is madness.
That's why I think we should be embarrassed in front of the world. What begins as symbolic, fast becomes meaningless and tacky, and perpetual apologies breed perpetual stagnation.
 
Would it be fair to state in layman's terms that the constitution describes "how we should live"?
No, it wouldn't be fair to state that because that's not what the constitution does. The constitution outlines the way that the government is structured, its responsibilities and the role it plays in society.

perpetual apologies breed perpetual stagnation
Except that your post suggested that we should be at the point where indigenous issues are put to bed once and for all, and we're clearly not at that point yet.
 
Except that your post suggested that we should be at the point where indigenous issues are put to bed once and for all, and we're clearly not at that point yet.
Having an Annual "Sorry" Day won't change it or even help the issue in the slightest.

The first time, when the Apology was said , it was monumental not done before, now it is just relatively pointless, "we" already said sorry for what we done. Having a day where Social Wise, you have to embrace something as simple as an "apology" just makes the whole purpose it lose all meaning and is instead only done out of social pressure for not being seen as a racist.
 
No, it wouldn't be fair to state that because that's not what the constitution does. The constitution outlines the way that the government is structured, its responsibilities and the role it plays in society.
Maybe I was overly layman with it. Let's go with your wording then. Why should a particular ethnicity be singled out, or mentioned at all, given how you've described the constitution's purpose?
Except that your post suggested that we should be at the point where indigenous issues are put to bed once and for all, and we're clearly not at that point yet.
I really didn't.

I do hope that we can stop dealing in sorries, but if/when that happens, I doubt we will have addressed all of the pertinent issues. All the more reason why the inference you made about my post was quite odd. I wonder though, what do you think are the "indigenous issues"?
 
Why should a particular ethnicity be singled out, or mentioned at all, given how you've described the constitution's purpose?
Just about every function or event that we hold is preceded by a Welcome to Country address in which traditional landowners are acknowledged. Given that the constitution outlines the powers of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of society, constitutional acknowledgment is akin to a Welcome to Country for the entire nation. It's not, as you have suggested, an apology.

Besides, other countries have had success with the formal recognition of indigenous peoples in the past - Bolivia is a prime example.
 
Just about every function or event that we hold is preceded by a Welcome to Country address in which traditional landowners are acknowledged. Given that the constitution outlines the powers of the executive, legislative and judicial branches of society, constitutional acknowledgment is akin to a Welcome to Country for the entire nation.
That argument amounts to "It's right because we already do it on a smaller scale". Not a good argument at all, especially considering that there are plenty of things that our government does that you don't agree with.
It's not, as you have suggested, an apology.
Another weird and inaccurate inference.
Besides, other countries have had success with the formal recognition of indigenous peoples in the past - Bolivia is a prime example.
I know very little about it. What is your criteria for calling it a "success"? That it happened? That it created a counter bias (ie. racial discrimination)?

I agree with libertarian senator David Leyonhjelm, that including an Australian aboriginal context in the Constitutution, is a racist proposal. We should absolutely get the already existing discriminatory sections the hell out of there, and leave it that.
 
So, in other words, we should do nothing today because those injustices happened decades ago and if indigenous people are still upset about it then they should just get over it because it's not our responsibility anymore?

That's a very popular argument among people who have never been on the receiving end of discrimination.
 
So, in other words, we should do nothing today because those injustices happened decades ago and if indigenous people are still upset about it then they should just get over it because it's not our responsibility anymore?
Are we still talking about The Constitution? What do you think should be in there? Explain that and I'll tell you whether or not I think it's something that should be included.
 
So, in other words, we should do nothing today because those injustices happened decades ago and if indigenous people are still upset about it then they should just get over it because it's not our responsibility anymore?

That's a very popular argument among people who have never been on the receiving end of discrimination.
What's wrong with people moving on from the past and looking at the resent and the future? If people still want to grief about the past, let them but don't force other people to do the same if they want to be happy and move on to other things.

It's also been used among people who have been on the receiving end on things that could even been seen worse. Like the story about a Mother was able to move on from her daughter's death and even forgave her killer despite him not asking for forgiveness.

Some people want to move on and look foward in life while some can't help but look at History. You shouldn't force one or the other to do one thing.
 
What's wrong with people moving on from the past and looking at the resent and the future?
If we cannot learn from the past, what guarantee is there that we won't commit the same mistakes in the future? We celebrate the founding of Australia and the events in Gallipoli, but we cannot pick and choose which parts of our history we want to acknowledge and which ones we discard. To reject the injustices of the past as an unsavoury memory, but at the same time celebrate our previous achievements just commits a new injustice all over again.

If people still want to grief about the past, let them but don't force other people to do the same if they want to be happy and move on to other things.
You can't put it in such simplistic terms.
 
If we cannot learn from the past, what guarantee is there that we won't commit the same mistakes in the future?
Moving on from the past doesn't equal not learning, we all know it is in our history but we don't need constant reminders. You really don't need a pacific a day to remind you to not be an a:censored:, especially in this day of age, it's really just common sense.

We celebrate the founding of Australia and the events in Gallipoli, but we cannot pick and choose which parts of our history we want to acknowledge and which ones we discard
1. We don't celebrate the events pf Gallipoli, only honour.
2. I don't even celebrate Australia Day.
3. We aren't discarding anything bad happening, we learn all about the bad side of Australian history in History (for like 5 Years), we know it exists everyone does but hanging on to History and making days out of it won't even come close to fixing the problem. Stuff like "Sorry day" really has no point in existing.

You can't put it in such simplistic terms.
What is so complex about not making people do things that really is all about things that happened decades ago?

Have you seen some people who hang on to the past? Oversensitive, Saddened, SJWs that bring everybody down, some people don't want that and want to look at the future and focus on things they actually have control over, you can't control the past so to some people there is no point on focusing on it.
 
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