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The fuel cell is behind the passenger cell 
Paul Walker dies in a car crash.
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Ouch even worseThe fuel cell is behind the passenger cell
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Words cant describe how horrible thay church group is, if they really went to a real church, they know that God isnt like that.Maybe they're just attention whores but this is just too much. I really wish they're dead.
Religion aside, i tried avoiding this thread since its really hard for me, seeing Tyrese and tribute pictures is very, very hard. Im still in shock and its already been 2 days since his passing.I
may not know him but right now it feels so empty. I can't imagine how his family and FF cast member feel right now.
Religion aside, i tried avoiding this thread since its really hard for me, seeing Tyrese and tribute pictures is very, very hard. Im still in shock and its already been 2 days since his passing.I
may not know him but right now it feels so empty. I can't imagine how his family and FF cast member feel right now.
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I hate it when news write things like: "it's a tricky car to drive", or "is difficult to drive and is intended for a race track." or "is a notoriously difficult vehicle to handle, even for professional drivers" or any other variations..
Why not just be honest and say that the car is a piece of 🤬, it's not a well balanced car, it's not safe, it's not efficient (for producing good lap times consistently) even in a race track.
Why not just be honest and say that the car is a piece of 🤬, it's not a well balanced car, it's not safe, it's not efficient (for producing good lap times consistently) even in a race track.
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This sucks, im here trying to sleep and all I can think about is how sorry and sad I feel for Paul, Roger, and their family and friends... 
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Unless a journalist wants to get in trouble or put his job in danger, it's important to keep a sense of professionalism in his or her writing. Sure, maybe some companies have much more temerity to be outspoken, but I think the common decorum includes avoiding usage of profanity. You also don't want to sound antagonistic towards another entity, as it may potentially damage your relationship with them in future encounters, so it's crucial to be careful in your choice of vocabulary, regardless of your feelings on the situation. Yes, fakery sucks, and for the most part I don't like it either, but unfortunately it's part of how the world works, it seems.
Well, this is not something like a Ford Pinto, or, to use an example relating a more high-profile badge but still not in the same level as a Carrera GT, a Ferrari Mondial. I think the effort in the making of this car was on a much higher level, regardless of the flawed outcome.
Fair enough.
I don't completely disagree with you, though. Porsche really should have known better, considering what they had already achieved with the technological marvel which was the 959 more than a decade ago. Their benchmark of a car's drivability should be much higher during the development of the Carrera GT.
Well, even though if they really intended this car to be a hardcore, challenging car to master, encouraging its drivers to learn to be more capable, at least they really should be more meticulous on ensuring its safety features before release.
Anyway, going back to a part of your argument...
"Not well-balanced" may sound vague to an average reader and "not safe" sounds too blatant. You also want the words to have great relevance to the situation, and "it's not efficient (for producing good lap times consistently) even in a race track", while fairly explanatory if you're writing a review of the car, it is not fully clear to an average reader in how it may relate to a crash - I doubt many are going to visualize the car having moments of losing traction, oversteering, and spinning out during a lap. On the other side...
While softer and hardly sharp, these words are not really irrelevant to the situation, and they're not really a "lie" either. Still a little bit vague, but at least it's not dangerous in possibly damaging your relationship with the automaker, like when blatantly saying it's "not safe".
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Does somebody know the video of a vintage f1 car splitting in half. Carbon Chassis, especially those produced years back tend getting miniscules fissures over time, and in case of slight impact....
I looked for the vid, but couldn't find it. I think it was a Ferrari F1 car.
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The car from the pics for me didn't split in half. The side of impact seems to be passanger side, yet that side seems still to connect front and rear of the car.
And if it would have split on the "designated" place, it never splits infront of the seats, but behind it. But there is the tank (design flaw?)
I don't even know it the GT is meant to split.
Now on what I read.
An employee of AE wanted to put the GT back into the garage. Rodas saw that, and saw that the employee was struggling.
He went over and apparently the car had problems and had multiple stalls while trying to get it in.
So Rodas took it, to check it out.
On his way out. he crossed Paul, who asked if he could get in.
So even saddener; it wasn't even planned they take that car. It was even planned that Paul gets in the car.
Plus the freaking car seems to had problems.
Jeremy Clarkson brings it to the point. Engine behind the rear axle is a mad engineer going bat **** crazy.
They're the EUROFighter of cars. Without electronics they are accelerated death traps.
Alpine Turbo, Porsche, MR2,... all know for the widow making....
I truely hope if there is a mechanical failure at play, that Porsche will pay big time.
This car should never have left prototype status after Röhrl didn't approve of it.
The guy that drove that insane S1 quattro at Pike's Peak and setting a record for decades, ***** himself in this CarreraGT. I think that says a lot
I looked for the vid, but couldn't find it. I think it was a Ferrari F1 car.
On Paul:
The car from the pics for me didn't split in half. The side of impact seems to be passanger side, yet that side seems still to connect front and rear of the car.
And if it would have split on the "designated" place, it never splits infront of the seats, but behind it. But there is the tank (design flaw?)
I don't even know it the GT is meant to split.
Now on what I read.
An employee of AE wanted to put the GT back into the garage. Rodas saw that, and saw that the employee was struggling.
He went over and apparently the car had problems and had multiple stalls while trying to get it in.
So Rodas took it, to check it out.
On his way out. he crossed Paul, who asked if he could get in.
So even saddener; it wasn't even planned they take that car. It was even planned that Paul gets in the car.
Plus the freaking car seems to had problems.
Jeremy Clarkson brings it to the point. Engine behind the rear axle is a mad engineer going bat **** crazy.
They're the EUROFighter of cars. Without electronics they are accelerated death traps.
Alpine Turbo, Porsche, MR2,... all know for the widow making....
I truely hope if there is a mechanical failure at play, that Porsche will pay big time.
This car should never have left prototype status after Röhrl didn't approve of it.
The guy that drove that insane S1 quattro at Pike's Peak and setting a record for decades, ***** himself in this CarreraGT. I think that says a lot
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The Carrera GT isn't rear engined like the 911, its mid engined like most supercars are these days. The photos show that the chassis has split, whether its an actual split in the carbon tub or whether it's just the rear carbon sub-frame that's come adrift shearing the bolts that attach it to the passenger cell, its difficult to tell.
By all reports, it's a very capable car in general, but just tricky on the limit. Anyone driving to those limits on the open road is a dangerous fool.
If you look at the crash site on Google maps, you can see that the perimeter road of the industrial park where the crash happened, and where Always Evolving are based, there's a long sweeping right hander just before the impact site. It's not inconceivable that the driver lost control coming off the bend and unfortunately collected some road furniture at speed.
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Dang no kidding. Only 45mph? Myself as well as most of the world just assumed they were going much faster. Bad rep for Porsche for sure. Quite mind blowing to be honest.Man, 45 mph in a supercar that said to have excellent safety design
I also agree with everyone else that this is a very hard thread to visit. Paul was such a great guy even outside the movies. Just google what he did for a marine and his girlfriend when they couldn't afford to buy a ring for the wedding. Its just one of the many times Paul touched the community.
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I feel for everyone involved, however if it wasn't a car failure (actually even if it was) you should still be a responsible adult and not drive so fast in a parking center! It's insane and this happens all the time, it doesn't matter if the car is garbage you should not be driving at a rate of speed that would illicit mortal results in the event of a mistake. I've seen many a' rich man with a fast car thinks he's Shuy and tosses a half million dollar car into the barriers. Difference is the others did it on a race track with safety precautions.
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A 45mph impact, not head on where cars have crush structures, is plenty enough to do this level of damage. One of the videos posted of someone in a car coming across the scene when the Porsche is still alight, shows some fairly lengthy skid marks heading directly to the crash. The impact may have been at that speed, but i imagine the car was traveling somewhat quicker.
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http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/03/wheel-of-fortune-fast-and-furious-puzzle-pat-sajak/
The episode was taped before the accident.
Has the world become so ultra sensitive and politically correct that we can't even mention the name of the movie franchise he is famous for? Seriously...
The episode was taped before the accident.
Has the world become so ultra sensitive and politically correct that we can't even mention the name of the movie franchise he is famous for? Seriously...
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So what's the consensus? Driver was coming to the tight corner, misjudged it, either dropped the back end shifting down/braking or gave it the beans on the exit? Either could possibly send the car into a side on impact with the tree. From that point, chassis splits as designed, fuel tank ruptures, hot exhaust and other possible sources of ignition, then it goes bang?
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Still under investigation.
Excessive speed, obviously.
Also it sounds like there is evidence of a steering fluid line burst and a trail of fluid leading to the crash, also would explain how the fire spread to the front of the car so quickly.
As well a set of skid marks leading to the crash site that are straight, like the steering locked up.
Mechanical failure as well as irresponsible driving seems to be the leading theory.
Autopsies on both should be done today to find exact cause of death.
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No it didn't. I won't post the car wreck pics, but look at it, in one shot you clearly see the car slip in front of the driver seat. That's not how it should be. The integrity of the monocoque was somehow heavily compromissed.
I really tend to think the carbon structure was tired.
1:04 mark
I remember seeing a video of that actual crash, and it wasn't heavy at all. The car just split in two.
Or this, which isn't ridiculous fast. And this one breaks off on the designated point!
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I'm glad that last video explains why the car split in half. Most people think that when the car splits in half it is a very violent accident and that super cars are extremely unsafe.
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Once again I ask you read the thread you've posted in Rodas had a good amount of racing experience, unless you have a report that informs us how fast they were going to make such a post bashing them, I would love for you to show us. The video you posted doesn't tell us anything. We don't even know if the car is garbage so how do you know if they did? I've seen many crashes at speed limit end badly and have been in a couple as a passenger, but your comment in the end makes this about class or monetary value, baseless really.
Also if you really read the thread a user posted a google street view of the area and it's not a parking center. The road way is quite wide and has speed limits of 45mph, so I'd love to know what parking centers have 45mph areas where you're from.
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Imo its a bit odd, why test drive a car that was stalling ? If the employee is struggling to put the car in the garage shouldnt they just have a look at the engine ?
Anyways, reading that is sad at the fact that Paul had just said his goodbyes to the guys in the garage and maybe was about to go home.
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Im sorry i dont think you understand my post. Im wondering why test a stalling car that could be faulty on a public road ? They should have just look at the engine.
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Ow, my apologies..
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Are they going to completely rework the plot of FF7 or something?
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Are they going to completely rework the plot of FF7 or something?
Seems likely...
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Or they can pull something off like in Bruce Lee's last movie where his dead body actually had a "role." But I doubt that.
Perhaps Brian will only appear in flashbacks? That should work.
Perhaps Brian will only appear in flashbacks? That should work.
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