PD is censoring Christianity in GT Sport!!?

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Well... isn't that kind of what religions are about? Hoping for a miracle?

As for the scape, if that is the full scene then I agree that it would have been better to just omit it, but if you can pan the camera in another direction then it might still be a useable location.

Well they really don't need a miracle, they just need a righteous person to guide them back on right path, isn't that what the messiah is for? Each Abrahamic faith has a messiah of their own or something like that ....
 
Apparently PD has never heard of photoshop and didn’t even remove all the blurred out stuff so it wouldn’t be a problem in the first place.
 
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lol. It was a joke. I actually took you serious in your first post. If it was sarcasm i would have politically expected an emoticon after your comment. It's misunderstood sarcasm from both sides that tragically went bad. lol. It's all good man.
 
You're misunderstanding, those who identify to belong to a religion are not a minority. But, those who live by Abrahamic religion values are. Majority are living by liberal values, whether they identify as Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Buddhist. That means religion is declining. I am not anti-religion, I live by traditional values.

Traditional Abrahamic values have been squeezed out of people, and they have no protection from that. If even aware of what is happening.
You've missed the point entirely because I don't believe you know what liberalism means. I suggest you go and do some research. No true liberal would have an issue with a religious symbol in a videogame. It has nothing to do with supporting religion, minority, majority etc and everything to do with liberals believing in all kinds of freedom.
 
lol. It was a joke. I actually took you serious in your first post. If it was sarcasm i would have politically expected an emoticon after your comment. It's misunderstood sarcasm from both sides that tragically went bad. lol. It's all good man.
I mean, the tone was pretty obvious...
 
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You've missed the point entirely because I don't believe you know what liberalism means. I suggest you go and do some research. No true liberal would have an issue with a religious symbol in a videogame. It has nothing to do with supporting religion, minority, majority etc and everything to do with liberals believing in all kinds of freedom.

You're missing my point, I'm not addressing the symbols in the game. I'm addressing overall cultural state of the world. Liberal values just means modern secular values that happen to be out of order with traditional Abrahamic values. I don't mean in it political affiliation sense. This is why I'm making it clear to you again, people with conservative or liberal political affiliations are not any different in the way they live their lifestyles. Both live by secular modern values that go against traditional Abrahamic ones. Thus religion today is largely diminished because some people are moving away from it, and others are lying to themselves. The greater concern should be this(to those worried about religions decline), Abrahamic core values have been squeezed out of people. So being religious today means something entirely different than being religious during Jesus or Mohammed or Moses's eras.

PS: I don't identify as a liberal, conservative, republican or democrat. But, I am very familiar with what they are and no stranger to politics. I don't care about any of them though.
 
We need to censor these beta dweebs who are in a race to see who can get offended the quickest and the mostest. At my place of work a few years ago we were not allowed to refer to black products by its colour, we couldn't call a black TV black or we would get a written warning for upsetting any black person. Totally laughable and purely racist to both white and black races.

The business actually has an upper hand in that. In colour theory, Black isn't a colour. It's a shade. You could have gotten around such rule simply by referring to the TV as Black shaded. But, perhaps that's just the weasel wording professor inside of me coming out.

At least they didn't remove a cars badges because some nutter linked the logo to a Nazi symbol (than falsely blame the manufacturer). :lol:
Folksvagen. Das Auto!
 
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Apparently PD has never heard of photoshop and didn’t even remove all the blurred out stuff so it wouldn’t be a problem in the first place.

I am very surprised they didn't just use Photoshop to make those church posters blank white sheets for example, then no one would really pick up on what was there or wasn't there in the first place.

I do believe they blurred the image because those posters are copyrighted images, not because of some other reason. As for it being slightly insensitive it probably is but I don't think PD meant any malice by it.

Now that this has come to light they probably will remove or change the scape in a future update.
 
You're missing my point, I'm not addressing the symbols in the game. I'm addressing overall cultural state of the world. Liberal values just means modern secular values that happen to be out of order with traditional Abrahamic values. I don't mean in it political affiliation sense. This is why I'm making it clear to you again, people with conservative or liberal political affiliations are not any different in the way they live their lifestyles. Both live by secular modern values that go against traditional Abrahamic ones. Thus religion today is largely diminished because some people are moving away from it, and others are lying to themselves. The greater concern should be this(to those worried about religions decline), Abrahamic core values have been squeezed out of people. So being religious today means something entirely different than being religious during Jesus or Mohammed or Moses's eras.

PS: I don't identify as a liberal, conservative, republican or democrat. But, I am very familiar with what they are and no stranger to politics. I don't care about any of them though.
I'm talking about the issue at hand. What are you talking about?
 
Is it even a German manufacturer at all?

Nope, it's Chevrolet. T10 removed all the "SS" badging and spells out "Super Sport" since someone somehow drew a connection with the German Schutzstaffel. When pressed on the issue they blamed it on GM's marketing strategy, which doesn't hold water as other games have since released with the badging.

Volkswagen is still present in all its Hitler-rooted goodness. :lol:

And now that we've proven Godwin right once again, I'm going to go get some lunch.
 
I think it's fine if games do this, to all religions.
What's offensive is censoring one or two, and not others.

Where has Mohammed been censored in the game?
Not censoring Mohammed would offend Muslims. Censoring him would offend nobody.
 
You're missing my point, I'm not addressing the symbols in the game. I'm addressing overall cultural state of the world. Liberal values just means modern secular values that happen to be out of order with traditional Abrahamic values. I don't mean in it political affiliation sense. This is why I'm making it clear to you again, people with conservative or liberal political affiliations are not any different in the way they live their lifestyles. Both live by secular modern values that go against traditional Abrahamic ones. Thus religion today is largely diminished because some people are moving away from it, and others are lying to themselves. The greater concern should be this(to those worried about religions decline), Abrahamic core values have been squeezed out of people. So being religious today means something entirely different than being religious during Jesus or Mohammed or Moses's eras.

PS: I don't identify as a liberal, conservative, republican or democrat. But, I am very familiar with what they are and no stranger to politics. I don't care about any of them though.
Hwut? First off you'd have to define "liberal values" and "abrahamic values" and then explain how "liberal values"go against abrahamic? Can't we all just live by the golden rule?
 
Legally including artwork in a game, film, or television show is an extremely complicated and expensive process. You might not have noticed it before, but blurred art is very common in things like reality TV shows, where the environment being filmed cannot be strictly controlled. Even feature films about particular pieces of art have trouble getting permissions to use it.

Here's a very interesting article on the subject:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-woman-in-gold-art-20150402-story.html
 
Legally including artwork in a game, film, or television show is an extremely complicated and expensive process. You might not have noticed it before, but blurred art is very common in things like reality TV shows, where the environment being filmed cannot be strictly controlled. Even feature films about particular pieces of art have trouble getting permissions to use it.

Here's a very interesting article on the subject:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-woman-in-gold-art-20150402-story.html

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Hwut? First off you'd have to define "liberal values" and "abrahamic values" and then explain how "liberal values"go against abrahamic? Can't we all just live by the golden rule?

Abrahamic values/traditions are different than modern secular ones. Of course there are values that both have in common. It's a pretty large list, but some basic examples would be different views on interest, pre-marital relations, celebrity culture, music, worship, belief in a God, different views on entertainment, different philosophy on life in general, politics, affairs, social issues, etc.... Some things they have in common would be law and order, oppose stealing or cheating, etc....

These are some core values of each. Doesn't mean that all secular or religious people follow them. People of Abrahamic faiths are supposed to observe them as ordained by their God through their Prophet's.
 
Abrahamic values/traditions are different than modern secular ones. Of course there are values that both have in common. It's a pretty large list, but some basic examples would be different views on interest, pre-marital relations, celebrity culture, music, worship, belief in a God, different views on entertainment, different philosophy on life in general, politics, affairs, social issues, etc.... Some things they have in common would be law and order, oppose stealing or cheating, etc....

These are some core values of each. Doesn't mean that all secular or religious people follow them. People of Abrahamic faiths are supposed to observe them as ordained by their God through their Prophet's.
You seem to be in the wrong thread.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/do-you-believe-in-god.111312/
 
Whilst I see your point, belief systems have no place in a multicultural platform.

I'm happy to accept it's facial recognition software blurring it though.

Do people honestly care? I doubt it.
I don't think you get what a multicultural society would look like. It's definitely not one where everyone thinks like you, and believes in nothing/anything. Read some Nietzsche.

You're annoyed that one of your religious images is not visible in the game. On the other hand I am offended every single time ANY religious image is pushed onto me without my consent.
1. Don't go outside, don't turn on your TV, don't go on the internet, don't read books with pictures, unless you want to be assaulted by relegious symbols. You need to do some research on the history of religious symbolism...it's EVERYWHERE! The bloody Walmart logo is a 6 pointed star for crying out loud :lol:

2. Toughen up. If you get offended every time you see a symbol, you don't have thick enough skin and the mental fortitude to fight against the oppression that massive belief systems entail.

Unless he's a boat or ship it's not a Union Jack, its a Union Flag.

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Maybe he self identifies as a boat? Don't assume his gender ;)



On topic, it sure seems like an odd move from PD to say the least. I'm willing to accept it's more than likely a copyright issue...but then why include the scape at all? It's not like there's only a small handful in the game.


If it is a copyright issue...how is pd going handle people using copyright images on liveries? Or copyrighted liveries in general? How was it handled with Forza?

Or do liveries fall into a different "legal category" compared to scapes?
 
I don't think it's a copyright issue (wasting time on a generic photo of the pope? nah...) But i don't think it's a pc/religion thing either (japanese aren't that much into that kind of stuff).
PD sometimes is incredibly lazy, that's for sure. Just search images of the place without those two things hiding that part of the building...
I mean, it's not even a particularly beautiful church, with those two blurred things it's horrible.

I wanna say this though: op in this case is probably overreacting a little bit, but things like that are happening more often than what you may think, on really stupid things...can't really blame him.
 
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