PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

@Granadier I’ve watched replays you’ve put up...
Anyhow Happy Holidays!

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My apologies for my blunt comments.
It’s just not reality though regarding your statement after one bad race that having good racing is impossible online. That’s untrue.
However I’ve been snakebit too and been angry and condemned the game.
I just can’t take it when everyone complains then they loosen up penalties because that’s when I opt out of sport mode.
Give me no pens at all OR strict random pens for contact. Everything else is pointless imo.
 
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How about a SR system based on the proximity meter? The red rings next to the gear/speed.

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Maintain points by keeping distance. Risk losing points when in the red zone. Over time there should be a difference between those who avoid contact and those who don't.
 
Groundfish
Maybe the reasoning from PD was to try to prevent the hit and run since the race is only one lap.
People who run the race and hit and run wouldn’t last long at 99.
I bet that was their idea. Jmo a better car for this track would be the black Nova at n400 or 500 with SS tire.
I think too the Supra races were so arcade, the Yaris is a new Toyota in game and they probably just don’t want it to be arcade.
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I don't know what you mean with this "hit and run" but what you say about the race being only one lap might explain also why last week La Sarthe would give only 2 SR points for a clean race (it was also 1 lap). I went from A to D because of that.
 
Turn 4 @ Cataluyna was a mess yesterday. Watched a car run wide. Like mega wide. The car in front of him (who was in front of me) and I took advantage and went to pass. But the guy who ran wide managed to dive down the turn at exit and forced the middle car to check up. I braked but ultimately bumped into him. He didn’t hit the car in front, but my hit on him dealt him a penalty.

Are failed brake checks penalized? I felt bad as he got a 1 second penalty. Pretty harsh for being the absolute definition of victim. Guy in front cuts him off, the guy following on his bumper hits him.

Thankfully we got SSRX coming up.
 
Doing race C and got cut up at the first corner, just 2 secs and it's at the start so not that big a deal. Until no slow down at the penalty markers, so instead of losing about 2.5secs and maybe a place which I can make back I lose about 8 secs and 2 places to people that are actually my pace. I actually lost a place anyway because I moved off the line as I'm nice like that.
 
I've never seen a track limits penalty for running wide here before. I'd argue that I'm still on the track because there is always one wheel on the track and at least one on the curb (which seems to be used as the limit everywhere else), the game gave a CRB too. Also I don't think this is gaining an advantage:
 
Granadier
Race C this week is a showcase showdown of how broken and failed the penalty system really is. Just remove it from the game again.
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Yep. :lol: I will keep doing it all week nonetheless. I love the track and it's way too much fun in Gr.4 cars to pass up. I wonder if @Sven Jurgens knows it's on this week. But it really shows here that unless every player in the lobby intends to be (or even knows how to be) 100% clean, the system fails miserably. Plus the system here penalizes those who drive exactly the way they should and get hit by players that are out of control or rejoining in an unsafe manner. Am I insane to think that it should be exactly the other way around? :lol:
 
BaareCZ
Yep. :lol: I will keep doing it all week nonetheless. I love the track and it's way too much fun in Gr.4 cars to pass up. I wonder if @Sven Jurgens knows it's on this week. But it really shows here that unless every player in the lobby intends to be (or even knows how to be) 100% clean, the system fails miserably. Plus the system here penalizes those who drive exactly the way they should and get hit by players that are out of control or rejoining in an unsafe manner. Am I insane to think that it should be exactly the other way around? :lol:
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I saw Sven yesterday in a SR C lobby, without a qualifying time he'll probably be stuck down there for a while.
 
So this happened earlier.
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Gave them room but was also trying to make sure I didn't understeer off whilst keeping it round the outside. There was the bare minimum of contact, mainly as they chose the kerbs to travel over.
Either way never a penalty and certainly not 2 seconds worth. This cost me a top ten place.
 
OJBrit
So this happened earlier.


Gave them room but was also trying to make sure I didn't understeer off whilst keeping it round the outside. There was the bare minimum of contact, mainly as they chose the kerbs to travel over.
Either way never a penalty and certainly not 2 seconds worth. This cost me a top ten place.
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They're ahead - contact - you're ahead = penalty. The system doesn't give a 🤬 who made contact with whom or who's where on the track or even what really happened. This is what PD think is enough to judge a racing incident and assign blame. Do a couple of races C this week without qualifying. You won't believe the :censored:show that this penalty system really is. :lol:

EDIT: It was absolutely squeaky clean on your end in my opinion and a it's another perfect example of one of countless unfair penalties handed out in this game.
 
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BaareCZ
But it really shows here that unless every player in the lobby intends to be (or even knows how to be) 100% clean, the system fails miserably. Plus the system here penalizes those who drive exactly the way they should and get hit by players that are out of control or rejoining in an unsafe manner. Am I insane to think that it should be exactly the other way around? :lol:

Do a couple of races C this week without qualifying. You won't believe the :censored:show that this penalty system really is. :lol:
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I learned this the hard way when I tried to do some SR repair from the back with the alt. :banghead:
 
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BaareCZ
Yep. :lol: I will keep doing it all week nonetheless. I love the track and it's way too much fun in Gr.4 cars to pass up. I wonder if @Sven Jurgens knows it's on this week. But it really shows here that unless every player in the lobby intends to be (or even knows how to be) 100% clean, the system fails miserably. Plus the system here penalizes those who drive exactly the way they should and get hit by players that are out of control or rejoining in an unsafe manner. Am I insane to think that it should be exactly the other way around? :lol:
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I'm racing in the afternoon. I started at SR.S but was soon down to SR.D The penalty system is still hopeless. Out of about 20 penalties so far, there was only one where I deserved it when I had enough and paid someone back. Not just penalties, SR Downs for no reason as well, usually from lag making cars jump around a little, just enough to register light contact somewhere. Nothing happens, cars shift back to where they actually are/were, unaffected, yet SR down pops up. The most annoying are when someone dive bombs someone else whose car touches you on the way off the track and you get the blame. Or a car loses control in front of you and despite slamming on the brakes and doing everything to avoid, 3 sec penalty.

Not only does everyone need to be 100% clean, everyone needs to be lag free and not make any mistakes either. GT Sport: The real parade simulator.

@GOTMAXPOWER Come back! You're a lucky charm, the one race where I didn't end up with a BS penalty! (I did get rammed off twice though lol) The next race I had 2 BS penalties again and a red B at the end.

The track is fun, night time is fun, just missing the rain now. I got plenty rain here
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And snow and ice
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And zero penalties!
 
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BaareCZ
They're ahead - contact - you're ahead = penalty. The system doesn't give a 🤬 who made contact with whom or who's where on the track or even what really happened.
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Yep and I think it's based around the 1.53 Laguna Seca system. It will see who came out ahead after contact but it doesn't look at context before deciding to give a penalty.

DTS last week, I crashed and after I recovered, I lightly tapped a passing driver's rear-quarter and he got a 2 sec penalty. Out of their control and entirely my fault. At Catalunya, a car initiated contact by swerving into my door from an off-track position while I'm driving in a straight line already on the track. Penalty to me because I came out ahead of an incident created by another driver. The onus should be on the car to re-enter the track safely away from traffic and not pass blame over to the car already on it.

After years of tweaking a blame assign system, this is the result. As for the next GT game, my purchasing decision will be decided by its penalty system.
 
Sadly the replay glitched but had my first unicorn sighting last night. I have seen folks say they get a penalty for nothing , like literally, and it happened last night I am 100pc sure of it. I was in a pack at RBR and one guy lost it, another did a big swerve and I just sorta junked out of the way. I never left the track and absolutely no way I hit anyone, but copped a 1 sec penalty.

At this point I am 5 races into the night, repaired my SR from 21 to 63 and feeling good as I kept a real wide berth from everyone. That 1 sec though, dropped me in with the animals, holy dog balls, dive bombs, crazy moves, 4 wide into corners etc and I was collected a few times.

Back to SR 26 :(
 
On Seaside going up the esses there were no cars around me...None...I heard the impact crunch and copped a penalty. There was a laggy Argentinian way behind me, hadn’t entered the esses. He/she quit out after hitting the outside wall on the left that starts up the hill.
I think that had something to do with it. I was approaching the bridge.
Last night I had a glass or two to drink and decided to try controller on Nurb 24.
D E. Lmao.
I lacked the will to fight the heathen and get sr back at all last night. Maybe tonight.
Outside of one strange side contact last week I found the system was working but not strict enough. I’ve seen some serious dives go unpunished. I’ve seen the baby punt nudge guy ahead deep and take inside go unpunished.
I’ve seen blatant punt where car gets reset and the guy ahead gets one second.
Overall in 99 lobbies it’s safe but only because the players have control. It’s very difficult to get multiple penalties in a 99 room if you drive sane.
I’d prefer stricter though with shared fault and grid penalties.
Ranking an A plus driver in DR down is pretty dumb. I get it you are being punished but that is also punishing the drivers in lower lobbies who had nothing to do with it.
I say have a threshold say 12-15 sr down in one race. Take away the q time, impose a ten or 20 second grid start pen next race. They start last minus 20 seconds. It’s better punishment. Plus disallow them from qual for say 3 races or so...
Also if people no qual they should take their fastest race lap and auto put in a qual.
Nurb24 is just stupid with multiple fast players hiding under Alts starting last.
It’s not fair to the other players.
You got A plus starting last under alt in b b lobby. They all bomb down inside every turn and hit lower players. Stoopid.
Ridiculous.
 
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Groundfish
I’ve seen some serious dives go unpunished. I’ve seen the baby punt nudge guy ahead deep and take inside go unpunished.
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This. Unlike some others I am sympathetic to the system as I feel apportioning blame is an extremely difficult undertaking. However, if I look at last night, I am entering the down hill right hander, effectively the third turn. I absolutely hit my brake marker bang on, guy behind me brakes super lap and hits me as I go to turn in even though I saw him coming and gave as much space as I could. I managed to exit before him so I copped the penalty, like really? I mean really? This is very fixable, a black and white issue based on braking points at every corner, it is easy to implement. I cannot fathom how they do not have this licked yet but they need to drop all aspects of rallying, drop most of the road cars and devote those resources to fixing the penalty system.
 
Groundfish
The penalty/sr system is the most important thing for this game. It determines matchmaking and play quality.
Money spent on making it the industry leader would be made back x100.
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Yep, sadly it's a 5/10 game currently. Loving the Nord but as you said, so much crap goes unpunished while a a tiny lag touch without any consequences cops a penalty. PD can't even get track penalties right, still completely inconsistent. Why is everyone allowed to ride the wall at Adenau, yet if you get spun into a wall you get 1.5 sec penalty after losing a ton of time.

GT Sport: The real kick you when you're down simulator :lol:

Oh well, I'll continue 'patrolling' the back. Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit is all it is nowadays. I did manage a couple CRBs and victories in the rare rooms where (most) people behave. Those rooms are certainly not in SR.B. SR.C still cleanest.
 
GOTMAXPOWER
This penalty system doesn't let you have any fun :(, I'm not actually sure what this one is for.



It's actually not bad in Europe where the lobbies are more even (in terms of DR) but every race in America has weird penalties/SR drops.
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That's an easy one, his back right touches your front left first, then you overtake him on the outside. That's always a penalty. Can't pass after there has been any contact while the car you're passing is still in front on the position board. (The proper procedure is to dive bomb and not make contact until you're 'ahead' so the car you're 'passing' gets SR Down)

I'm back to D/E again, second or third time today. I lost count. SR.B is no go so might as well go back to E when there's a "from the back" racer that doesn't take effort to pass clean. Record so far today, 17 sec in penalties before the penalty zone, held up someone all lap 1 back to the back, still managed to finish before the time out.

It's bad today. A lot of unqualified racers that simply take the penalties to get ahead quickly. From 2 sec up it doesn't really matter and they have the speed to not even get caught again by the ones they 'moved out of the way' in lap 1. The penalty system can't fail more miserably, it doesn't even work when it works.
 
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Well I just gave 4 or 5 guys 1.5 secs, just amazing. I spun, stupid system waits till I'm in control again and could keep going then resets me, people have no choice but to drive through my ghost getting penalties. You couldn't make this **** up it's so ridiculous.
Sorry to anyone I affected, but there was nothing I could do....well I could have kept it on the track, but surely I'm allowed some mistakes?
 
Groundfish
I had A for one start but been stuck on bb for 4-5 races.
Last night was much worse lol if you could believe that.
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I gave up, I was trying to give everybody all the space they could need but got brake tested on a straight then deliberately driven into the gravel (both Mitsubishi's) before we had even left the GP track, the driving standards in America are terrible compared to Europe.
 

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