PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

[Dorofint]

Oh they nailed it down alright, collision with another car.


PD is creative, I forced another car off track here


No reason given here, I guess saying DR.D has the right of way was not approved.


Again

I thought PD fixed that, guess they unfixed it.

These are all punishments from hell. You have not caused any of the incidents and even tried to avoid collisions. But at GTS everything is as it is. The penalty system is broken and the driver's level is partially lousy. Almost all the incidents were caused by drivers who were totally over-motivated or had no idea what was happening around them.
Due to the wrong punishments, these drivers still feel that they are doing everything right. You got the punishment. So they will not learn anything and maybe adapt their driving behavior. That's why I gave up hope for improvement in GTS.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

@Sven Jurgens

A short analysis of your videos :
1.
You should have known from the start that this would turn into some South American clan war. Why did you race at all ? It was your fault ... PENALTY CORRECT ! /s
2.
You're way off the preferred racing line. This usually puzzles people behind you and causes massive inconvenience. So that's clearly your fault ... PENALTY CORRECT ! /s
3.
You induced his beautifully liveried car to ghost. Nobody wants that. Your lack of cautiousness gave him every right to retaliate. Again, your fault ... PENALTY CORRECT ! /s
4.
That was bad sportsmanship. The guy clearly was a stranger to Willow Springs. You should've blocked the track behind him and let him find his way. What can I say, your fault ... PENALTY CORRECT ! /s

So my breakdown is, penalties work great after 1.41 👍 ! Who tells Kaz ?

 

[Mirror_man]

And the most stupid joke (GTS Penalty system) goes on... each time even more & more stupid then before... (stupid is a fine compliment in this case.. . of course...)

 

[Sven Jurgens]

And the most stupid joke (GTS Penalty system) goes on... each time even more & more stupid then before... (stupid is a fine compliment in this case.. . of course...)

Yeah, stupid still implies some intelligence involved

The unfair penalties are not the worst, the SR system only amplifies the result of bad penalties. I've been at 99 SR for a streak of 31 consecutive days, and now in one night I'm down to SR.B from those penalties. A clean race bonus race is worth +7 at Big Willow, while 2 little bumps from behind with SR Down turn it into +0. If you're not willing to farm SR in race C, it takes a lot of effort and luck to climb back up to slightly better races.

That the SR ranks are so mixed up can be a blessing as well as I had the cleanest race of the night in SR.B lol. First race this morning in SR.B, from last to 4th, clean race bonus, people were messing up, I had to brake extra a couple times and the cars behind me did the same!!! No stupid crashing right into the back of you like in SR.S when you avoid an accident or car in a bit of trouble.

The SR system is definitely broken when you find better sportmanship at SR 50 than SR 99. In general it's still better at SR.99, yet only because the drivers are faster there and mess up less, thus less accidents to avoid. But if you do have to avoid one, prepare to get rammed from behind.

As long as you can simply do a race C to farm SR, while race A or B can drop you a letter for a single incident, it will never work to separate the reckless from the careful.

That's odd, just has another clean race bonus, yet only got +4 SR. A couple drivers did make contact, draft bump from behind and trying to bump me off track while overtaking, yet each time the system ruled in my favor for a change. I guess you still get -1 SR for contact even if the game thinks it's not your fault. Still need that jump button to avoid draft bumps!

 

[djidane57]

at SR 50 people are looking to increase their SR so yeah they drive carefully , at 99 you are already at max so people dont give a damn

 

[O604]

I think they should ditch SR 0-99 ranking. Just make it +/ - / Neutral.

Every race you get a + , - or neutral SR score. If you get a - SR, you have drive careful the next race or you start to lose DR points until you can get back to neutral or +.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

In a race B yesterday I got pushed away in the turn after the hill. I managed to catch the slide and stay on the edge of track. Two cars passed, no penalty since I stayed on.

 

[TamasToth]

In a race B yesterday I got pushed away in the turn after the hill. I managed to catch the slide and stay on the edge of track. Two cars passed, no penalty since I stayed on.

This is what I consider the biggest sin of this game (aka "driving simulator").
What did it taught for the kids? Not sportsmanship, not driving skills or real racecraft, but those cheap little tricks like brake-check or drive off the track after a contact to make the others get a penalty. Misbehaviour instead of behaviour.

But we can't be surprised. The market of boor kids is way bigger than real sportsmen, who really wants simulated possibility of driving, racing.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

In a race B yesterday I got pushed away in the turn after the hill. I managed to catch the slide and stay on the edge of track. Two cars passed, no penalty since I stayed on.

The penalty system penalizes those that have the car control to stay on the road Hence I'm not looking forward to Yamigawa next week while the track itself is fun to drive. The wider the track, the more forgiving the track limits, the more you can expect to be bumped out of the way since penalties don't trigger even when you're spun out facing backwards yet still with 2 wheels inside the forgiving track limits. Plus you usually get SR Down as well for getting pit manoevered

Last time Yamigawa + Miyabi was on I got bumped about 5 to 7 times per race... And all blue S at the end.

Here's the reason I can't stand people that need to drive door to door. Just a tiny lag spike and this happens. No penalty for him, my race over. This is forcing another car off road, PD take note. But no, he gets a blue S, no dot.

 

[praiano63]

Just one more , i'm not complaining at all , the guy just lost his car , but it can help PD to check what is wrong with teir penalty system.

 

[Dmac72]

Well having seen the progress following the latest update I guess I’ll continue to leave GT sport to sit unplayed in a dark and dusty corner of my PS4 drive.

 

[Haitauer]

Penalty for TgTenka at lap7 sums up the penalty system. Good racing, TgTenka left room for Adam41 but adam goes wide, touches grass, they touch, bounce and Adam41 goes off track - 4sec penalty to TgTenka. Just stupid.

 

[breeminator]

I'm not sure how he gets a penalty for this. Aside from it clearly not being his fault, he's the first to touch the barrier after the collision. Could it be because he's A rated and the other driver is B rated, therefore the A driver is at fault?

 

[djidane57]

the yamagiwa chicane is a dream for people who game the penalty system , get overtaken on the inside , turn into your opponent and cut through the grass so you lose minimal time but the other guy gets slapped with a 5sec

 

[GT5Apex]

The penalty system in this game is extremely frustrating

I was doing the daily Gr3 race on kyoto a few days ago and someone punted me from behind going through the chicane before the final corner and somehow it was me who was given a penalty.

and tonight while doing the FIA manufacturer race around maggiore, a guy i was following took the wide route around the first corner, so i send my car up the inside and park it on the apex, and i was on the apex for a few seconds and the guy who took the wide line, then turned in to go across the last part of the apex and bumps into me and some how i get a penalty even though it was him who drove into me.

Also in the same race there was a 5 or 6 car battle going through the S section and the mercedes in front of me lightly bumps into another car, and that car goes off the track creating a gap, so i drive through the gap and the driver who went off track obviously didn't see me and hit me while coming back on track and some how i get a 1 second penalty.

And also during the final manufacturer race tonight, my qualifying got slightly compromised because an Audi R8 that i was following closely, applied to much power coming out of a corner, and he ended up spinning and as he spun around he hit me and somehow i got given a 3 second penalty that i carried for 2 laps.

 

[BaareCZ]

The penalty system in this game is extremely frustrating

I was doing the daily Gr3 race on kyoto a few days ago and someone punted me from behind going through the chicane before the final corner and somehow it was me who was given a penalty.

and tonight while doing the FIA manufacturer race around maggiore, a guy i was following took the wide route around the first corner, so i send my car up the inside and park it on the apex, and i was on the apex for a few seconds and the guy who took the wide line, then turned in to go across the last part of the apex and bumps into me and some how i get a penalty even though it was him who drove into me.

Also in the same race there was a 5 or 6 car battle going through the S section and the mercedes in front of me lightly bumps into another car, and that car goes off the track creating a gap, so i drive through the gap and the driver who went off track obviously didn't see me and hit me while coming back on track and some how i get a 1 second penalty.

And also during the final manufacturer race tonight, my qualifying got slightly compromised because an Audi R8 that i was following closely, applied to much power coming out of a corner, and he ended up spinning and as he spun around he hit me and somehow i got given a 3 second penalty that i carried for 2 laps.

Welcome to GTS, where the victims are being punished for reckless and stupid driving. The EERIEISSSS video a few posts above is the perfect example. I literally **** my pants everytime I'm about to overtake someone, hoping they won't touch me and then go slightly off track or touch the wall to give me a race-ending penalty. This system is a joke. It only works when there's no contact whatsoever. SHAME ON YOU! PD programmers. Because of this extremely lazy and stupid joke of a penalty system I rarely play the sport mode anymore. But hey, at least now we know the reason for the penalty. Isn't that what we've always wanted?

 

[fisheye]

Increase the penalty substantially for drivers purposely sideswiping other drivers off the track! It's happening more and more in the daily races. I'm not talking about getting rear-ended in corners, It's being sideswiped from sore losers when you're passing them or being rear-ended at the next corner. This isn't NASCAR!

 

[golfer07840]

at SR 50 people are looking to increase their SR so yeah they drive carefully , at 99 you are already at max so people dont give a damn

This is why I always groan when my SR gets me back into the SR S rooms. They aren't any cleaner than an SR B room. And I'm more much competitive in the SR B/A rooms because it keeps me away from being on the grid with Aliens (which I have no business racing against).

Increase the penalty substantially for drivers purposely sideswiping other drivers off the track! It's happening more and more in the daily races. I'm not talking about getting rear-ended in corners, It's being sideswiped from sore losers when you're passing them or being rear-ended at the next corner. This isn't NASCAR!

My favorite is when they are angry and they keep slamming into your door and if they do it wrong, they bounce off of you and bang off the track and YOU are given the penalty. WTF???

 

[fisheye]

This is why I always groan when my SR gets me back into the SR S rooms. They aren't any cleaner than an SR B room. And I'm more much competitive in the SR B/A rooms because it keeps me away from being on the grid with Aliens (which I have no business racing against).


My favorite is when they are angry and they keep slamming into your door and if they do it wrong, they bounce off of you and bang off the track and YOU are given the penalty. WTF???

They know that the 5 second penalty they get for knocking you off the track is still shorter than the time it takes you to recover and catch back up. It's a dirty trick to gain the lead. If the penalty matches the time it takes to recover from being knocked off the track it would even out the odds. One way to combat this NASCAR shove match is using cars that are harder to knock out of control, like a GT by Citroën (which pisses them off even more).

 

[RacingGrandpa]

They know that the 5 second penalty they get for knocking you off the track is still shorter than the time it takes you to recover and catch back up. It's a dirty trick to gain the lead. If the penalty matches the time it takes to recover from being knocked off the track it would even out the odds. One way to combat this NASCAR shove match is using cars that are harder to knock out of control, like a GT by Citroën (which pisses them off even more).

And when pushed off, slam your brakes and steer full opposite lock for a quick reset.

 

[BaareCZ]

This is why I always groan when my SR gets me back into the SR S rooms. They aren't any cleaner than an SR B room. And I'm more much competitive in the SR B/A rooms because it keeps me away from being on the grid with Aliens (which I have no business racing against).

My favorite is when they are angry and they keep slamming into your door and if they do it wrong, they bounce off of you and bang off the track and YOU are given the penalty. WTF???

I'm from EMEA region but I've seen one of Sven's videos of the (last week I think) Tokyo race with the Porsche and what people were doing was beyond dirty. Everyone was gaming the penalty system so hard that it was actually hilarious. That video is the perfect example of this colossal failure of a penalty system. I highly recommend it. Extremely entertaining. I wonder what Kaz would say if he saw that. But hey, you're not alone.

 

[fisheye]

I'm from EMEA region but I've seen one of Sven's videos of the (last week I think) Tokyo race with the Porsche and what people were doing was beyond dirty. Everyone was gaming the penalty system so hard that it was actually hilarious. That video is the perfect example of this colossal failure of a penalty system. I highly recommend it. Extremely entertaining. I wonder what Kaz would say if he saw that. But hey, you're not alone.

Do you have a link to that video?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Do you have a link to that video?

I actually made two



Enjoy!

Catalunya is a bit better this week, but there it happens as well. The tap tap from behind to push you wide to pass is beyond annoying since you get SR Down each time unless you drive yourself into the sand pit which gives them enough time to absorb the 2 or 3 sec penalty.

People losing control and swiping you off the track with them also still results in a penalty for you with the "forced another car off-track" message...

 

[BaareCZ]

I actually made two



Enjoy!

Catalunya is a bit better this week, but there it happens as well. The tap tap from behind to push you wide to pass is beyond annoying since you get SR Down each time unless you drive yourself into the sand pit which gives them enough time to absorb the 2 or 3 sec penalty.

People losing control and swiping you off the track with them also still results in a penalty for you with the "forced another car off-track" message...

I love it. Pure madness. Your SR must have taken one hell of a beating. But those couldn't have been SR S lobbies. Right?

 

[Benay79]

Got done with the 3 second penalty for overtaking under a yellow flag last night. Not much i could do about it either as 2 cars in front collide, one goes off, the other almost stopped dead and just as i'm going past the slow car the yellow flag warning pops up. Didn't even know it was a thing now!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I love it. Pure madness. Your SR must have taken one hell of a beating. But those couldn't have been SR S lobbies. Right?

The first one was all SR.S, perhaps one from when I briefly dipped down to 78 SR but mostly from the 90+ SR rooms!
The second one had me on a ride down to SR.C where I dropped as low as 26 SR.

Second one was from the weekend races, first one from early in the week.

It really didn't matter where (SR wise) I was racing. Mornings were better than evenings though. Practically every day my SR would drop a bit in the evening to slowly restore again in the morning.

Got done with the 3 second penalty for overtaking under a yellow flag last night. Not much i could do about it either as 2 cars in front collide, one goes off, the other almost stopped dead and just as i'm going past the slow car the yellow flag warning pops up. Didn't even know it was a thing now!

It has been a thing forever. Nurb 24h circuit is prone to trigger one with the first chicane since the position indicator gets confused in that tight switchback chicane. Yellow flag pops up in T1, positions quickly swap back and forth during the sharp right and left and you have a 3 sec penalty without actually passing anyone!

 

[Benay79]

It has been a thing forever. Nurb 24h circuit is prone to trigger one with the first chicane since the position indicator gets confused in that tight switchback chicane. Yellow flag pops up in T1, positions quickly swap back and forth during the sharp right and left and you have a 3 sec penalty without actually passing anyone!

In that case must have been the first time i've actually overtaken someone under a yellow flag in 18 months

 

[Sven Jurgens]

In that case must have been the first time i've actually overtaken someone under a yellow flag in 18 months

Yeah it's pretty rare since the yellow flag doesn't stay up long. However of all the times I've gotten the yellow flag penalty, zero times was it because of anything I could have done to prevent it. You can more easily get it when you have an idiot doing donuts at blue moon bay ignoring the race. He'll be ghosted but does keep the yellow flag up so everyone that overtakes gets a 3 sec penalty

 

[golfer07840]

Yeah it's pretty rare since the yellow flag doesn't stay up long. However of all the times I've gotten the yellow flag penalty, zero times was it because of anything I could have done to prevent it. You can more easily get it when you have an idiot doing donuts at blue moon bay ignoring the race. He'll be ghosted but does keep the yellow flag up so everyone that overtakes gets a 3 sec penalty

Now THAT is gaming the system

 

[oneloops]

I think about SR like a mechanical damage in real life.

Every time you get hit (from your fault or from another fault) your car gets damaged, you're SR goes down.

People wants to go through others faults, but real life is like that : in amateur track days you have to take care about your car and don't hit nor been hit because your car get damaged ( like goes down SR too ).

So you increase the security margin till you know the skills and clean racing of other racers, like in real life.

It works if you think it like that (mechanical damage) and not only unfair/wrong SR penalty. I'm SR S since November 5 and I deal with risk and racing in a balanced way I guess.