PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

Sven Jurgens
I don't get it. I saw people get penalties at Laguna Seca but it was only 1 or 2 sec for spinning a car out or sending them into the sand. The car that got bumped off fell almost 10 seconds behind, while the 2 sec penalty the car in front of me got only reduced my gap to him by less than a second. The penalty zone is in a braking zone again, pointless.

And everyone still ended up with a blue S at the end, 14 laps, 42 sectors, 18 or 19 SR to spend on bumping people out of the way.
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From what I've read on here, it seems like they might have made the size of penalties more strongly connected to DR. The ridiculous 8 sec penalty I saw was in an EMEA top split daily race. And the ridiculous 10 sec penalty someone got was in EMEA FIA Nations top split. But it's not just the size of them, it's the fact people are getting penalties at all in some situations where there would have (correctly) been no penalty previously. Penalties for harmless minor contact, penalties for overtaking a car that is serving a penalty, penalties for driving through ghosted cars that have lost control.
 
Yep, the penalty system is now completely broken. On the last lap at Bathurst, I got divebombed in the last corner by a Megane about 3 car lengths behind me. He sent me into the wall and completely took me out and guess what? He got no penalty and finished with a nice blue S. And then he writes: "You gotta make room, mate." Are you 🤬 kidding me?! Or another incident: On the last lap, I'm side by side with a guy coming to the finish line, he rams me into the wall and I get a 1 sec penalty. :eek: He of course gets nothing and finishes with a nice blue S. And those were all DR A, SR S lobbies. WTF have you done PD? Stop messing with the penalty system, you're only making it worse.
 
breeminator
From what I've read on here, it seems like they might have made the size of penalties more strongly connected to DR. The ridiculous 8 sec penalty I saw was in an EMEA top split daily race. And the ridiculous 10 sec penalty someone got was in EMEA FIA Nations top split. But it's not just the size of them, it's the fact people are getting penalties at all in some situations where there would have (correctly) been no penalty previously. Penalties for harmless minor contact, penalties for overtaking a car that is serving a penalty, penalties for driving through ghosted cars that have lost control.
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Yes, there must be something to do with the DR. I just drove Race C. DR was from A + to D. In the corkscrew I was brutally rammed off the street. I left the street completely and hit the wall. In addition to the loss of time, I was given a further 3 seconds as punishment. The rammer stayed on the road and got no penalty. With the old system, the rammer would have been punished because I left the street. But now there was no punishment. The only explanation would be the DR difference, I was Dr B and he was D. PD seems to think that better drivers have to take care of the worse drivers.
 
BaareCZ
He sent me into the wall and completely took me out and guess what? He got no penalty and finished with a nice blue S. And then he writes: "You gotta make room, mate."
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It happen exactly the same with me. I have a little video about this , i will publish it soon here.
I've asked the guy a polite way about the incident and he answered that he was right , that's because he disn't take any penalty.
..... What could i answer :lol:
 
Hey, look at that, 81 pages and counting. Here is a few clips from tonight just for fun showing the problems that I encountered.

First clip is me getting 4 sec for getting punted, the person who hit me is the one driving off to my left as I reset. The second is me getting hit wide, turn 1 lap 1, with no penalty. Third is the guy who did that losing it on the last turn and getting someone else a penalty for his crash.
The last 2 are me getting 7 seconds for someone else crashing. Technically the first is correct, but still BS. These races are hard enough as it is, fighting this system shouldn't be this hard.
 
Redneckchef
Hey, look at that, 81 pages and counting. Here is a few clips from tonight just for fun showing the problems that I encountered.

First clip is me getting 4 sec for getting punted, the person who hit me is the one driving off to my left as I reset. The second is me getting hit wide, turn 1 lap 1, with no penalty. Third is the guy who did that losing it on the last turn and getting someone else a penalty for his crash.
The last 2 are me getting 7 seconds for someone else crashing. Technically the first is correct, but still BS. These races are hard enough as it is, fighting this system shouldn't be this hard.
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That last one is ridiculous!
 
Redneckchef
Hey, look at that, 81 pages and counting. Here is a few clips from tonight just for fun showing the problems that I encountered.

First clip is me getting 4 sec for getting punted, the person who hit me is the one driving off to my left as I reset. The second is me getting hit wide, turn 1 lap 1, with no penalty. Third is the guy who did that losing it on the last turn and getting someone else a penalty for his crash.
The last 2 are me getting 7 seconds for someone else crashing. Technically the first is correct, but still BS. These races are hard enough as it is, fighting this system shouldn't be this hard.
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7 seconds for failing to avoid a wreck, yet 2 seconds or nothing at all for not braking in time and punting a car in the sand (which I saw happen yesterday). It's not DR in this case as I took a peak and your DR is lower than that of the drivers that got nothing to 2 sec for actually putting a car off the track. Force of contact in this case?

I'm going to do a few more races today, these new over 5 sec time penalties are very worrying.

Anyway, not going to spend much time on racing this week, building a zip line across the mountains in death stranding is more appealing than playing Russian roulette in sport mode. Yesterday was not so bad, I only got punted off 4 times in 5 races, but wasn't very competitive yet either. Starting with high DR and low knowledge of the track I got timed out in my first 3 races lol. First one I got lapped my the top 5 haha. My lap times were just getting under :26 when I switched to Death stranding with :21 starting on pole.

High DR is a curse in many ways, higher penalties usually getting the short end of the stick, can't ease into a new track, still have people starting behind you when not qualifying (that yep, punt you off T1). If there was a button to start at 10K DR for a new track I would press it!
 
praiano63
Here is the video . Almost comic.
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This video highlights exactly what I was trying to show in the video of Newton's Cradle. Just as those balls transferred energy, this car is obviously transferring energy.

WE CAN SEE THIS HAPPENING!!! How can this NOT be detected?


I don't want to get into a cultural debate, however, there is a history of Japanese projects and over complicated solutions, which, upon their failure, then become abandoned in favor of simple solutions.

Ironically, most of these failures have occurred in motor racing.


I'm pretty sure that someone, somewhere, thought that simple solutions weren't good enough. This system is built to try and enforce a behaviour rather than enforce rules. It attempts to get people to avoid pushing others off track or avoid retaliation. That isn't what it should be doing!

People will behave as they will. The system needs to have rules, and enforce those rules. Allow people to then adapt to those rules. Right now, people have adapted to its lenient stance on universally accepted driving etiquette.
 
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Redneckchef
Hey, look at that, 81 pages and counting. Here is a few clips from tonight just for fun showing the problems that I encountered.

First clip is me getting 4 sec for getting punted, the person who hit me is the one driving off to my left as I reset. The second is me getting hit wide, turn 1 lap 1, with no penalty. Third is the guy who did that losing it on the last turn and getting someone else a penalty for his crash.
The last 2 are me getting 7 seconds for someone else crashing. Technically the first is correct, but still BS. These races are hard enough as it is, fighting this system shouldn't be this hard.
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this is what i love the most : especially the 1st incident , since you are the 1st to go off track after the punt from behind , i just cant begin to fathom how the game can possibly not penalise the guy who hit you FIRST FROM BEHIND and instead penalize the victim , i just cant
 
Laguna Seca is horror. In the first and last bends I am constantly rammed by drivers who brake far too late. But the other curves are dangerous too. Many drivers leave the track due to errors and then return uncertainly. In the next curve the game repeats itself because their tires are dirty. I still know Laguna Seca from the old GT parts and from Forza. For many players, the route is new. I don't understand how these players can drive so aggressively with so little track knowledge. But the catastrophic panalty system still confirms their actions. I have now driven a few more races C and I understand the penalty system less and less. For some completely harmless situations there was a penalty of 7 or 10 seconds and for many clearly dirty or totally over-motivated maneuvers there was nothing. New course and faulty penalty system are not a good combination.
 
djidane57
this is what i love the most : especially the 1st incident , since you are the 1st to go off track after the punt from behind , i just cant begin to fathom how the game can possibly not penalise the guy who hit you FIRST FROM BEHIND and instead penalize the victim , i just cant
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Actually if you look in radar on the first incident you can see he realized he overcooked it and was trying to go to my outside, so hitting me still sent him off first as he went sideways.

Sadly, the other 4 incidents in that video were all in the first 4 laps of the same race. I ended up fighting for last in that one after all that one as every time I caught someone they quit:lol: so still ended up 12th or 13th out of 20. And about SR - with all that carnage and more over the races I haven't dropped below 98, and that was just after that 1 race.
 
Redneckchef
Hey, look at that, 81 pages and counting. Here is a few clips from tonight just for fun showing the problems that I encountered.

First clip is me getting 4 sec for getting punted, the person who hit me is the one driving off to my left as I reset. The second is me getting hit wide, turn 1 lap 1, with no penalty. Third is the guy who did that losing it on the last turn and getting someone else a penalty for his crash.
The last 2 are me getting 7 seconds for someone else crashing. Technically the first is correct, but still BS. These races are hard enough as it is, fighting this system shouldn't be this hard.
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that is absolutely mental...surely PD needs to see this and sort it out, I’m kinda glad I’m moving house at the moment and have no internet to endure this abomination of a penalty system
 
What is even the point of penalties in qualifying? It's really stupid and pointless. Taking a way my laptime should be enough and I'm sure they can figure out a way to invalidate a lap time when someone cut the final corner to have an advantage on the next lap.

This just forces me to restart.
 
Granadier
Working as expected.

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Perfect example of what I was saying about using the racing line.

On impact, compare the orientation of the cars at the moment of impact. Penalize the car that is LEAST aligned to the racing line. Build a rule set. It's not that hard.


I really don't understand. When the system came out, it was a little unfair, but you could understand what was happening. What we didn't like was the unreasonable penalties. Things like 5 second penalties for barely touching someone's rear end, and causing no significant issues. They needed to tweak it and build upon it.

Now, this system essentially worse than random. Seriously, if they just randomly decided to assign a penalty to either car in the collision, and hand out a random amount of penalty, the system would be better because half the time, it would do the right thing.
 
The system is just awful. At Bathurst I've been given a 7s penalty at the chicane when both of us stayed on track, it was good driving from both, a small touch and then after the guy asks "wtf why you get a penalty?". I mean we're on the internet, sometimes you touch but it's light and everyone is ok. But a 7s penalty...

I've also had moments where I've ****ed up and deserved a penalty but got nothing.

It's just roulette - how can anyone learn to be better if you just do what you want and roll the dice independent of who is actually at fault if anyone?
 
Pearl Jam
that is absolutely mental...surely PD needs to see this and sort it out, I’m kinda glad I’m moving house at the moment and have no internet to endure this abomination of a penalty system
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Isn't there a place to post this where PD will see it??? Its hard to believe that PD have created a penalty system this preposterous, I would personally be embarrassed if my completed work was as ludicrous as the GTS penalty system.
 
Congratulations PD, mission accomplished! Won't do any sportmode races.

As it wasn't broken enough, its now unplayable. 4 times slamed into the walls at the screw in Laguna seca in only 2 races. I do my homework by practicing and setting up a good qualy time which ensures me mostly starting in the first half of daylie race- prime time top splits, try to stay out of trouble, never punt off or divebomb or not give any space - but there is no escape.

This sportmode is for aliens and a...holes, for nothing in between.

For me, my DR is important. Why should I put effort in it, when even in A+/A splits only in 1 of 3 or 4 races you are spared off whatever mess, and the uncautios/ uncapeables/ ignorants are nicely rewarded with positions and DR points.

Will stick to community racing.
 
Krypton78
Congratulations PD, mission accomplished! Won't do any sportmode races.

As it wasn't broken enough, its now unplayable. 4 times slamed into the walls at the screw in Laguna seca in only 2 races. I do my homework by practicing and setting up a good qualy time which ensures me mostly starting in the first half of daylie race- prime time top splits, try to stay out of trouble, never punt off or divebomb or not give any space - but there is no escape.

This sportmode is for aliens and a...holes, for nothing in between.

For me, my DR is important. Why should I put effort in it, when even in A+/A splits only in 1 of 3 or 4 races you are spared off whatever mess, and the uncautios/ uncapeables/ ignorants are nicely rewarded with positions and DR points.

Will stick to community racing.
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Yeah it's not much better in the FIA races. Had a guy drill both me and another car on the final turn in todays Nations Cup Race. The other guy coped a 7 second penalty for being hit. Nothing given to the other guy aside from him blaming me for earlier covering at the hairpin to watch him out-brake himself allowing me back underneath him.

All of this on the final lap.

Other guy even had the nerve to blame me for dirty driving.
 
Krypton78
Congratulations PD, mission accomplished! Won't do any sportmode races.

As it wasn't broken enough, its now unplayable. 4 times slamed into the walls at the screw in Laguna seca in only 2 races. I do my homework by practicing and setting up a good qualy time which ensures me mostly starting in the first half of daylie race- prime time top splits, try to stay out of trouble, never punt off or divebomb or not give any space - but there is no escape.

This sportmode is for aliens and a...holes, for nothing in between.

For me, my DR is important. Why should I put effort in it, when even in A+/A splits only in 1 of 3 or 4 races you are spared off whatever mess, and the uncautios/ uncapeables/ ignorants are nicely rewarded with positions and DR points.

Will stick to community racing.
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Yes, it's amazing how quickly dirty and over-motivated drivers have adapted to the new penalty system. They know very well that there is hardly any punishment to fear. Even if there is a punishment, it is significantly less than the damage done to the victim. But I'm not blaming these players for the circumstances. In my opinion, the developers of the penalty system are to blame. They developed this broken and illogical system.
Edit: Are there any SR deductions in the game? I just drove race A and it was a fiasco in which everyone seemed to push each other off the track. What do I see in the end? All SR letters blue or white. Every driver in this race has improved his SR or at least not worsened it. In such a race I would have expected at least half of the drivers to be red. If this continues, we will soon only have SR S drivers with 99 points. This would make this evaluation completely pointless.
 
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djidane57
they dont care , as long as there are human stewards for the world championship they are happy
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Sometimes the way those stewards rule in the world championships makes me wonder if they are not the ones behind the design and implementation of the penalty system in sport mode as at times the penalty application is about as bad.
 
Dorofint
Yes, it's amazing how quickly dirty and over-motivated drivers have adapted to the new penalty system. They know very well that there is hardly any punishment to fear. Even if there is a punishment, it is significantly less than the damage done to the victim. But I'm not blaming these players for the circumstances. In my opinion, the developers of the penalty system are to blame. They developed this broken and illogical system.
Edit: Are there any SR deductions in the game? I just drove race A and it was a fiasco in which everyone seemed to push each other off the track. What do I see in the end? All SR letters blue or white. Every driver in this race has improved his SR or at least not worsened it. In such a race I would have expected at least half of the drivers to be red. If this continues, we will soon only have SR S drivers with 99 points. This would make this evaluation completely pointless.
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The biggest problem is that it is teaching those morons bad habits, if they are not penalized for ramming someone off track they think they have done nothing wrong.
Does anyone have any idea where PD gets the idea that they need to be more lenient?? They must be using info from somewhere to constantly adjust the penalty system and it seems they always go the wrong way.
 

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