Permanent damage!

[OriginalCheezIt]

Coming from someone who's signature is needlessly comparing different genres of racing games, yet stacking them against each other as if they were able to be fairly matched.
d:

No, that isn't supposed to be a comparison, that is just the order in which I have owned them. Fixed

 

[Traviizter]

No, that isn't supposed to be a comparison, that is just the order in which I have owned them.

Please explain why you have "What happened?" below the list, and why the order is so ridiculously out of whack if it's not a comparison. For example, you've owned GT5 before GT4?
Also, going back to your original post, why say GT isn't necessary if you own all the games bar one, lol. Unless you meant it jokingly.

I'm not trying to come at you in any type of way, it's just weird. Strange. Odd.

 

[another_jakhole]

I didn't realize you buy a car fresh out of the dealership, only to immediately change its oil to net a 5% increase in horsepower (which usually takes it to the actual rating its supposed to have right out of said dealership).

Yep, guess I have been doing it wrong!

http://www.torcousa.com/innov-lub-hp.html
I didn't read it all aside from the graphs and first paragraph, so is this worth anything? I'm in a hurry so forgive me. Pity the fool, if the link means nothing.

 

[OriginalCheezIt]

Please explain why you have "What happened?" below the list, and why the order is so ridiculously out of whack if it's not a comparison. For example, you've owned GT5 before GT4?
Also, going back to your original post, why say GT isn't necessary if you own all the games bar one, lol. Unless you meant it jokingly.

I'm not trying to come at you in any type of way, it's just weird. Strange. Odd.

The "What happened?" is to indicate that Supercar Street Challenge (the last game I have gotten, I only bought it because of it's "car design" feature) is the worst game of the bunch.

And I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to GT. I bought GT3 last summer at a garage sale, got addicted to it, and asked for GT5 and a PS3 for Christmas. I got GT2 because of the race mods (and it was only $1.99), and GT4 because it was only $3.99. I haven't gotten GT1 because I already have GT2, which is supposedly better in every imaginable way. I am thinking about buying it just to experience the real SSR11.

I don't tend to buy/get games new, so that is also why the list is so out of whack.

 

[Traviizter]

The "What happened?" is to indicate that Supercar Street Challenge (the last game I have gotten, I only bought it because of it's "car design" feature) is the worst game of the bunch.

And I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to GT. I bought GT3 last summer at a garage sale, got addicted to it, and asked for GT5 and a PS3 for Christmas. I got GT2 because of the race mods (and it was only $1.99), and GT4 because it was only $3.99. I haven't gotten GT1 because I already have GT2, which is supposedly better in every imaginable way. I am thinking about buying it just to experience the real SSR11.

I don't tend to buy/get games new, so that is also why the list is so out of whack.

Ooooookay. And yes, Supercar Street Challenge is a terrible game.

 

[colj00]

The "What happened?" is to indicate that Supercar Street Challenge (the last game I have gotten, I only bought it because of it's "car design" feature) is the worst game of the bunch.

And I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to GT. I bought GT3 last summer at a garage sale, got addicted to it, and asked for GT5 and a PS3 for Christmas. I got GT2 because of the race mods (and it was only $1.99), and GT4 because it was only $3.99. I haven't gotten GT1 because I already have GT2, which is supposedly better in every imaginable way. I am thinking about buying it just to experience the real SSR11.

I don't tend to buy/get games new, so that is also why the list is so out of whack.

GT2 for $1.99?

i would of thought it would be a ancient artifact by now...

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

GT2 for $1.99?

i would of thought it would be a ancient artifact by now...

Is by far the least polished GT game.. one was better , kill me for saying so..

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Perhaps I missed it but have they dropped the rhetoric from this past summer where they slammed fans with the whole "we're not in the business of smashing up cars", because I'd love to know. I wouldn't be surprised because they dropped other parts of rhetoric too like the sounds already being perfect and talking about the AI not needing much fixing and I'm seeing more about damage lately.

 

[ICEYOU]

So damage is going to be permanent and won't be able to be turned off like how it is in TOCA RACEDRIVER or Grid? This may put an end to those disgraceful dirty rooms FOREVER!

 

[Peelster1]

So damage is going to be permanent and won't be able to be turned off like how it is in TOCA RACEDRIVER or Grid? This may put an end to those disgraceful dirty rooms FOREVER!

I think cars might get damaged if damage settings are on during the race. Chances are they won't get damaged during Free Run or in races with damage off.

 

[gjeff12]

Perhaps I missed it but have they dropped the rhetoric from this past summer where they slammed fans with the whole "we're not in the business of smashing up cars", because I'd love to know. I wouldn't be surprised because they dropped other parts of rhetoric too like the sounds already being perfect and talking about the AI not needing much fixing and I'm seeing more about damage lately.

Maybe they have the visible damage so low that it takes a lot of races to actually become noticeable.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Maybe they have the visible damage so low that it takes a lot of races to actually become noticeable.

How would that be realistic though?

 

[gjeff12]

It wouldn't be, but if you remember how hard it was to actually damage your car in gt5 it would just let your car eventually fall apart without you smashing it. Remember that trophy with the door?

 

[bs13]

So damage is going to be permanent and won't be able to be turned off like how it is in TOCA RACEDRIVER or Grid? This may put an end to those disgraceful dirty rooms FOREVER!

Are those dirty rooms somehow harming you? Would you rather have them in your room racing with you? Or better yet I have an idea. Why don't you let people who pay money for the game play it the way they want to .

 

[Johnnypenso]

So damage is going to be permanent and won't be able to be turned off like how it is in TOCA RACEDRIVER or Grid? This may put an end to those disgraceful dirty rooms FOREVER!

So a guy acquires 15, 20, 30 years of life experience and is a usually an inconsiderate d-bag racing online, is suddenly going to become a clean driver because his virtual car might get damaged? What it means is that clean drivers like you and I will now get permanent damage to our cars by getting rammed, divebombed and pushed into the guardrail by the inconsiderate d-bags because they will think it's hilarious

 

[gjeff12]

This may put an end to those disgraceful dirty rooms FOREVER!

Dirty shuffle.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It wouldn't be, but if you remember how hard it was to actually damage your car in gt5 it would just let your car eventually fall apart without you smashing it. Remember that trophy with the door?

You mean the one that you could only really do with a WRC car. I also got the trophy for flipping a car if I remember correctly.

I see what you mean, I just don't like how they have moved the goal post (if all this is true) and can say "well it's there but it takes time for it to show." All because they don't want to get with the times.

 

[colj00]

i honestly dont think this new feature is going to stop anyone from driving dirty, if they drive dirty then they will get a bad name and most likely dont care much for the game or what condition their cars are in.

 

[bs13]

You 'll be surprised. I suggest a poll about this and I think I know the result...

Poll results on GTP wouldn't reflect the majority of GT owners. I know plenty of people that race right after getting off or work or before going to work. They don't want to be bothered with changing oil, repairing damage, deleting paint chips, etc.

I can understand some of you think that is cool. I on the other hand want to spend more time driving with friends. I want things to be done automagically and I even want a button to fully mod a car without spending 5 minutes in menus changing oil, adding aero and installing all the performance parts. All that time adds up after 3 years of playing the game. To me it is time wasted.

 

[ICEYOU]

So a guy acquires 15, 20, 30 years of life experience and is a usually an inconsiderate d-bag racing online, is suddenly going to become a clean driver because his virtual car might get damaged? What it means is that clean drivers like you and I will now get permanent damage to our cars by getting rammed, divebombed and pushed into the guardrail by the inconsiderate d-bags because they will think it's hilarious

hahaha your post was funny.

Are those dirty rooms somehow harming you? Would you rather have them in your room racing with you? Or better yet I have an idea. Why don't you let people who pay money for the game play it the way they want to .

Spare me your insights... The dirty racing in GT has got to go, every time I go into a lobby there's usually a D-bag in it that can't drive.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Spare me your insights... The dirty racing in GT has got to go, every time I go into a lobby there's usually a D-bag in it that can't drive.

I and many others don't think permanent damage is a solution to this, and nowhere have you attempted to address the shortcomings about this feature that others have raised.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I and many others don't think permanent damage is a solution to this, and nowhere have you attempted to address the shortcomings about this feature that others have raised.

He never does, he just argues to argue without addressing what the other person has rebuked.

 

[ICEYOU]

Then what is a solution then. PD must add to the legacy of the clean rooms. They must clean the dirty drivers.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Then what is a solution then. PD must add to the legacy of the clean rooms. They must clean the dirty drivers.

What is with you and the word legacy you use it far too much and not even in a proper manner, I'm not trying to be a grammar tyrant, but what legacy? There has only be one full GT game with online and it has several issues, there is no legacy and it takes more than one feature for it to be such. However, dragging out damage is not realistic at all, and if anything is just confusing the masses, like in past features (e.g. Standard car diff from premium).

Also if you want a good room then join a GTP group and set yourself up to race at certain times that fit your schedule, problem is when you give freedom to people they will do what they want at your own expense. The only other thing I can suggest also is making your own room and hosting. PD doing knee jerk reactions for outcries that aren't anywhere near where attention should be given is just sad though, especially when it wont fix anything. I'd be fine if damage was done in a realistic and correct manner and looked the part too, yet it seems that PD have done this to "supposedly" help with online, but more so moving the goal and making it longer to show up and still say they've changed it.

 

[Vince]

Then what is a solution then. PD must add to the legacy of the clean rooms. They must clean the dirty drivers.

There isn't much to be done. PD added what seems like consequences, but for the people who don't care in general, there isn't anything that can be done - no one side.

 

[photonrider]

Then what is a solution then. PD must add to the legacy of the clean rooms. They must clean the dirty drivers.

ICEYOU - clean driving in an anonymous environment is utopian - by which I mean it's an idle dream, a perfect world. We're not going to get that on the Internet - crikey, you can't get people to be nice even when they're right in front of you.

I hear what you are saying - or actually 'wanting' - a clean and safe environment to play in. How we get about trying to get there is another thing. To me - racing with friends is a solution. Obviously there are 'clean' rooms - I've heard of many.

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As for permanent damage, and oil changes, and all the other 'let's dress up and play' gizmos that Gran Turismo seems to be increasingly throwing at us - it seems that is way most games are going - in fact always the opportunity provided to create 'personas' for the player, behind the anonymity, and provide virtual workouts of one sort or another.

I can imagine some don't like this; there are long-time GT players who would much rather just boot up and race - either offline or online. Yet many others - also long time GT Players want more and more realism added in, from having the car wrecked to being able to throw their helmet.

In the end - it's all about options. If the game has options to shut off the role-playing, then . . . . but that's all another discussion.

Edit: I see LMSCorvette has given you pretty much the same advice. Making your own room is also a good solution.

 

[Bluntified]

So I'm gonna go ahead a assume that the "No Collisions" option won't be returning? It was way far from real but it did it's job.

 

[Green]

As we all know GT is a simulation and you would think adding permanent damage would make it a better simulation/ more like Real life) but is it me or is there absolutely no effort gone into to this feature. Just feels like they have added a button in the garage, if you have to back out a online lobby to fix your car then it will only mean less time driving.

Then what is a solution then. PD must add to the legacy of the clean rooms. They must clean the dirty drivers.

There isn't one there will always be people who break the rules, that's just the world we live in. You'll just get the same advice over and over.....either open your own room or Join a host that can uphold the rules and doesn't stand for dirty driving etc. Anyway why would PD want to chase away customers?....so you can have a clean race? me no fink so...

 

[TheeFrogmanlego]

ICEYOU - clean driving in an anonymous environment is utopian - by which I mean it's an idle dream, a perfect world. We're not going to get that on the Internet - crikey, you can't get people to be nice even when they're right in front of you.

I hear what you are saying - or actually 'wanting' - a clean and safe environment to play in. How we get about trying to get there is another thing. To me - racing with friends is a solution. Obviously there are 'clean' rooms - I've heard of many.

__________________________

As for permanent damage, and oil changes, and all the other 'let's dress up and play' gizmos that Gran Turismo seems to be increasingly throwing at us - it seems that is way most games are going - in fact always the opportunity provided to create 'personas' for the player, behind the anonymity, and provide virtual workouts of one sort or another.

I can imagine some don't like this; there are long-time GT players who would much rather just boot up and race - either offline or online. Yet many others - also long time GT Players want more and more realism added in, from having the car wrecked to being able to throw their helmet.

In the end - it's all about options. If the game has options to shut off the role-playing, then . . . . but that's all another discussion.

Edit: I see LMSCorvette has given you pretty much the same advice. Making your own room is also a good solution.

Play motor storm apocalypse and come back to me.. full 16 player grid, and people strive to drive clean, yet iIcome on crap turmoil 5 online to have ass holes ramming me. Like why don't people race dirty on motor storm?!?!? Oh wait wrecking your car means losing any chance at winning that in turn have PERMANENT affect on your chip earnings. This Translates into five as a permanent loss off A :money you could have won from winning the race and B: time and money spent fixing your car. Sure some jerks will still ram you but it will get old quick after having to fix their cars. Another issue with clean racing is the abysmal lag this game has that makes cars zig zag..

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Play motor storm apocalypse and come back to me.. full 16 player grid, and people strive to drive clean, yet iIcome on crap turmoil 5 online to have ass holes ramming me. Like why don't people race dirty on motor storm?!?!? Oh wait wrecking your car means losing any chance at winning that in turn have PERMANENT affect on your chip earnings. This Translates into five as a permanent loss off A :money you could have won from winning the race and B: time and money spent fixing your car. Sure some jerks will still ram you but it will get old quick after having to fix their cars. Another issue with clean racing is the abysmal lag this game has that makes cars zig zag..

Overall I agree the game doesn't help, but this solution isn't motor storm level what so ever, it just seems like PD don't really want to mess with damage due to "not being in the business of smashing cars"