Pikes peak Hill Climb is "probably" returning to Gran Turismo (partnership announced)
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I don't believe they would do that as a whole lot of GT-players wouldn't own a PS4 yet. With the PS3, it was different, because Prologue was already out. They already said they won't do a Prologue for PS4, so I doubt they would run a GT Academy with a fraction of the possible participation.
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Pike's Peak is a long, point to point course set in open terrain. Sounds like it would depend on the same rendering tech as the new course creator...
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What course creator? Honest question. I know of the rumors and talk of one but how do we know what tech it uses when no one has had any hands on with it?
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I'm referring to the kinds of circuits that were made even in GT5, dynamically. The rendering of those courses was sub-optimal - Sierra shows obvious differences already. This is about a class of rendering problem, not an implementation of user interactivity. It applies best to Ronda.
EDIT: to clarify, the issue is mostly the view distance and managing the poly budget with all that detail visible. The Nürburgring just fits into a 5x5 km square, and Pikes Peak should fit in 10x10. The biggest difference is that at Pikes Peak you ought to be able to see for kilometres, and crucially onto long stretches of the track itself, kilometres away; at the Nurburgring, most of the time, you're between a tunnel of trees - that simplifies the rendering load management greatly.
A good comparison is Matterhorn, where it only spans approximately 2 km and the track is only rendered a certain distance away. Eiger is similar, although the track can generally be seen from further away, possibly helped by more closed-in areas.
The best comparison is still Ronda: roads can be seen far in the distance. Sierra is 8 km in its longest direction.
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I think his point is that a Hillclimb track doesn't necessarily mean anything for the WRC cars. Sure there's nothing stopping people from using WRC cars should it come (after all in real life, The hillclimb event is like the wild west of motorsports with the insane variety that shows up every year), but its not a indicator of anything big happening for those cars particularly.
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So, seeing how Sierra was handled, could it be possible for Pike's Peak to be in GT6? Or is the amount of detail necessary for such a course impossible right now?
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Not impossible, just not something PD have ever done before. Using a method like Sierra does, views like the following would not be possible:
They need something different, the kind of thing usually used in open-world games.
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I think it's a development best reserved for the PS4Not impossible, just not something PD have ever done before. Using a method like Sierra does, views like the following would not be possible:
They need something different, the kind of thing usually used in open-world games.
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As I said, it's needed for the course creator anyway, and Ronda.
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- sparkytooth50001
So this technology, which is already being developed, can be used to create Pikes Peak? This could potentially be released for GT6 after all as the Pike's Peak hype precedes even GT5.
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That is my personal opinion, based on the above reasoning, yes.
Of course, at this point, we still don't know that there is a Pike's Peak circuit coming to a GT game at all. But yes, hype.
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From a marketing perspective they'd be insane to release PP on the PS3, when GT6 appears not to be the sales juggernaut of GT1-5. So much more bang for the buck to show off the beautiful scenery on the new system, along with, potentially at least, IOM. That's a marketer's dream.
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Yeah Pike's Peak is not officially confirmed, but neither was Bathurst and Ascari until they were formerly announced.That is my personal opinion, based on the above reasoning, yes.
Of course, at this point, we still don't know that there is a Pike's Peak circuit coming to a GT game at all. But yes, hype.
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I expect the course creator was intended to fill the rally void. Time will tell, of course.
There's always the Snaefell Mountain circuit for a bit of glint to the old cachet halo. Of course, if they can pull it off on PS3, what would it say about their capabilities for PS4?
There may be plenty more to come as PD have expanded more in terms of their "landscape designers" than they have their car modelers, relatively speaking. Then again, that's possibly a reflection of the move towards open environments and the attendant jump in effort required.
That sounds just like the "GT6 on PS4" argument!
There's always the Snaefell Mountain circuit for a bit of glint to the old cachet halo. Of course, if they can pull it off on PS3, what would it say about their capabilities for PS4?
There may be plenty more to come as PD have expanded more in terms of their "landscape designers" than they have their car modelers, relatively speaking. Then again, that's possibly a reflection of the move towards open environments and the attendant jump in effort required.
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In fairness, none of the previous titles had to contend with being on a older system at exactly the same time a new one was being released (in fact, one of them benefited from being one of the first titles on a new system) so I kinda think the PS4 sorta played a huge part in that. It wasn't the whole story I'll say, but it did have a major presence.
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I was really only talking about he marketing perspective, not the technical challenge of putting PP on the PS3. I don't think PD really gains anything financially by doing more than the bare minimum to finish GT6. Dribble out the advertised features and content over the next year, throw in some minor even if they are scaled down from the original specs, add some minimal extra effort surprises (BMW Pace Car anyone), and put the majority of their effort into GT7. I just can't see anything really driving sales to any great degree on the PS3 at this point.
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But adding the features to GT6 will still generate sales for it. How many, you can't possibly say, and you certainly couldn't say whether it was actually worth PD's effort.
Regardless, they're obviously targeting both consoles with these features, for efficiency (reducing total effort), so the balance is maybe more in favour of sticking to the plan than you might think. It's extra sales on the way to what they're trying to achieve anyway, even if it takes slightly longer to adapt the "next-gen" stuff to work on PS3.
They're not exactly budget-constrained, and the budget is likely set externally according to the product spec, no matter how much extra "profit" they directly generated from a previous spec (as long as that budget / spec can be afforded - which is a no-brainer). As such, the next spec can be determined by taking the longview, and by what should be possible according to the available hardware, and the tech that can be developed (eventually).
They haven't made many such "sensible" decisions as you mention, in terms of eking maximum financial benefit, in the series as a whole. And there's also the loss of goodwill from not delivering the features "coming in a future update"; unless a sequel on a different console counts as an "update".
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Why did Pikes Peak get paved anyway?
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The gravel was creating unwanted runoff.
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I agree with this. If PD announces PP and IOM for GT7 in all of there beautiful PS4 glory people will go nuts. If I were them I'd certainly wait for GT7.
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Maybe it will add sales, maybe not, nobody knows for sure. Games don't tend to pick up any substantial sales momentum after a year into their life cycle and the PS3 is definitely in a downward spiral. For me it's a question of allocating resources most efficiently outside of the announced features, I can't see one or two tracks or a handful of cars, no matter how special, really driving sales at this point. I can't see people shelling out $30+ because IOM and Pike's Peak are in the game, when people weren't willing to shell out the same money before that with 1200 cars and 100 layouts already available.
I'd also argue that they have made some of those sensible decisions in terms of eking out maximum financial benefit and the most obvious one to me is engine sounds. They never had to worry about the accuracy of the engine sounds because the game was selling anyway so why bother. It's pretty obvious they didn't even bother to record samples for many cars.
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Plus, even if it would boost sales. Would you want to boost sales of a $30 game that is already yesterdays news, or a $60 game that also has the potential to be the best selling exclusive on the PS4. Easy choice.
