[PITS]Project International Touring Series presented by SNAIL SundaysPS4

[Lessen]

. When I've run in historic leagues, the lap time differences have been within less than a second.
Throw in the slow/fast/rebound/ spring rate,etc,etc,etc. 4-5 seconds difference from stock. And never underestimate your ability to tune yourself to the back!

I get that you like older cars and spec races. That's totally cool. But that's not what PITS was ever designed to be. Comparing the two formats doesn't really add much here except that you like oranges and we're selling apples. All I'm saying is that it really doesn't take that much time to find a halfway decent tune that works for you, and the time you do spend "tuning" is just as beneficial to practice as anything you would otherwise do prepping for a spec series. As far as a close field goes... yeah, spec racing does that. But that's not PITS. Never was.

Josh, I think mine and Aeros commitment to the league has been there from the start.

I hope I didn't come off as questioning anybody's commitment. I certainly didn't intend to. I'm just saying it wouldn't take much on the part of the field to get PITS to 2 lobbies. I think if a driver thinks he's got a shot at making the top 15, by all means practice away and come get some! If not and that driver is more expecting to be a part of the back half, then just show up for 40 minutes/wk. Heck, if anything you get an idea where you fall and probably learn a few things about tuning while your at it.

They probably will run their own race after failing to qualy, but not under the Pits flag??? Like I said, commitment works both ways. We might as well start our own league of losers for Wednesday nights. 💡💡

The organizers are committed to making the series successful. That's the big picture. They've seen what happens when you try to do it to early without validation of overall commitment. The result is no different than what's been posted here today and the expansion never happens, regardless of people who don't mind racing with 5 other people.. truth is after racing against 14, more people will be turned off by racing against 5. Zii and Alex not going to make the same mistakes I did.


Guys, this series has had a KOQ format since DAY 1 of its existence. I get that's its not fun to miss the race, but there should be no surprises that eventually it may happen. That format will ultimately lead to the series being filled by the elite of the elite and I'm not sure that's what Zii and Alex really think it should be, but it does not make any logical sense to make a change based on proven failed strategies. Bottom line is everybody wants to race right? Of course! Well, they're giving you all that opportunity to make it happen. People can either buck up and help make it happen or go off and fuss because they can't keep up. Personally, I'd rather see everybody racing. But either way, the lobby stands a good chance of being full every week and as long as I'm able I'll be there to watch it.

 

[yogi bear]

ya, i guess they could. im beginning to think some signed up and never really read the rules or thought about what happens when the slots fill up. there has been a lot of advertisement around to recruit new drivers to this fine series which is awesome but ultimately means some will not get to race.

You are right, I never read any rules of knock out qualifying.. The first I heard of it was last Wednesday when I was knocked out. Like I explained before, I was not going to bother as I do not have the corvette.
But for me, I want to pit my driving skills, not my tuning skills against other drivers. The lotus 40 for example, some of the "elite" had trouble keeping me in site!

 

[USERID_77a23]

.....and I would think the first racers in are locked in to the nights races under what ever driver cap there might be. So everyone here now once we fill up with consistent drivers week in and out will have a full room of racers to race with. Only once retired will a new driver come in. I'm remembering the other league , I really should be no part of this. Sorry , zipping it NOW! LOL

 

[Lessen]

[QUOTE="USERID_77a23, post: 11724839, member: 248223" I really should be no part of this. [/QUOTE]

Not true man. Silence solves nothing.

 

[yogi bear]

Being completely honest, this idea that tuning takes "hours" is way overblown. Now, not to take away from your personal preference, which is perfectly reasonable to have, but for the most part all I do is change the basics (springs, bars, camber, caster, gearing) and I can hang with the field. Certainly not the top, but that's because I'm not that good a driver, not because I'm not an engineer. Plus, the laps you runs testing are still practice laps you'd would be running in a spec car anyways. Some people argue it's not good practice to drive for three laps in a car that doesn't handle well. That's rubbish. Don't underestimate your ability to learn.

also don't underestimate your ability to learn to drive an ill handling car, when the rest of the field also has that same car.
I was only stating why I'm out. You stated you selling apples, I said no thank you. But I got the impression you really want me to buy some apples. To me snail has become a tuning and engineering series. I want a drivers series. anyone want to come kick my ass in the ford mk4 or the lotus 40? ...how about the escort even?

 

[Alex ONeill]

Guys, we want the league to grow and make room for everyone to race every week. We have discussed how to make that happen and it is going to need the help of all of us as a group. The change Cannot take place in the middle of the season, I think we can all agree on that. We have no problem going to a 2 or 3 room series but we need to have everyone onboard to do that. Zii and I have talked extensively about this but we want to make sure that everyone is going to be there. By showing up for the rest of the season for KOQ we will be able to make the commitment to go to two rooms. We don't want to go to a two room series only to have people in the second room upset because there aren't enough drivers to race against. Stick it out this season and we will be able to make room for everyone at the start of next season. We have even come up with a way to have all of the points from 2 rooms on the same list which will keep the team thing going even if the team mates are racing in different rooms.

 

[Lessen]

I do want you to buy apples.

and the Escort is fun stuff. I like it! 👍

 

[yogi bear]

Guys, we want the league to grow and make room for everyone to race every week. We have discussed how to make that happen and it is going to need the help of all of us as a group. The change Cannot take place in the middle of the season, I think we can all agree on that. We have no problem going to a 2 or 3 room series but we need to have everyone onboard to do that. Zii and I have talked extensively about this but we want to make sure that everyone is going to be there. By showing up for the rest of the season for KOQ we will be able to make the commitment to go to two rooms. We don't want to go to a two room series only to have people in the second room upset because there aren't enough drivers to race against. Stick it out this season and we will be able to make room for everyone at the start of next season. We have even come up with a way to have all of the points from 2 rooms on the same list which will keep the team thing going even if the team mates are racing in different rooms.

I don't have the Vette Alex. Mabey when the Vette series is done I might rejoin, but 20 minutes to practice learning the track while trying to tune and set a qualifying lap all at once is just gonna frustrate the hell out of me.

 

[Alex ONeill]

Bear, You can always practice with the guys that do have the DLC. I know everyone practices on their own times but it wouldn't be very difficult to hook up with some of the other guys when they are online.

 

[yogi bear]

I do want you to buy apples.

and the Escort is fun stuff. I like it! 👍

But not the lotus 40 or the ford mk4?

 

[yogi bear]

Bear, You can always practice with the guys that do have the DLC. I know everyone practices on their own times but it wouldn't be very difficult to hook up with some of the other guys when they are online.

I'll see, trying to put together a historic league right now. The "elite" is welcome to come and try and kick my ass! It may not be as easy without all that fancy pansy tuning and assists. Oh, that's right absolutely no assists!. No traction control, no abs, abc, nbc, etc...lol!

 

[Lessen]

But not the lotus 40 or the ford mk4?

Ive driven that like once I think. I don't particularly remember it, but there aren't really too many cars in the game I seriously dislike. Of course some are easy to driver, others not so much. But I'm just the camera guy, so it doesn't matter much, heh.

 

[yogi bear]

Ive driven that like once I think. I don't particularly remember it, but there aren't really too many cars in the game I seriously dislike. Of course some are easy to driver, others not so much. But I'm just the camera guy, so it doesn't matter much, heh.

It helps if you wear a scarf, light up your pipe, and talk with a Snooty British accent, gets you in the right frame of mind...
Yessss well, real men drive the old race cars don't you know hmmmm? Yes, yes, quite right!

 

[IceWarden]

[QUOTE="USERID_77a23, post: 11724839, member: 248223" I really should be no part of this.

Not true man. Silence solves nothing.[/QUOTE]
I bet that is exactly the opposite what everyone thinks when I open my big mouth about something

 

[Lessen]

Not true man. Silence solves nothing.

I bet that is exactly the opposite what everyone thinks when I open my big mouth about something [/QUOTE]

Ha Ha! Touche good sir!

 

[yogi bear]

Not true man. Silence solves nothing.

I bet that is exactly the opposite what everyone thinks when I open my big mouth about something [/QUOTE]
Telegram for mongo....telegram for mongo... Lol!

 

[IceWarden]

Candy gram...sheesh at least quote it right

 

[yogi bear]

Candy gram...sheesh at least quote it right

Ok..its been years since I watched it... But I do remember the sherif is a BONGGGGG......

 

[irmopars]

I'll see, trying to put together a historic league right now. The "elite" is welcome to come and try and kick my ass! It may not be as easy without all that fancy pansy tuning and assists. Oh, that's right absolutely no assists!. No traction control, no abs, abc, nbc, etc...lol!

I'm going to guess I'm one of the ones being called out
Talking from experience, I can tell you running a stock setup vs a tuned setup isn't going to net you a 4-5 second difference. Maybe 1-2.5 seconds depending on the track provided fuel & tires are the same. Our fellow racer @ONESPACE posted a link to setups that we ALL can use, I myself used it at Watkins Glen and it was good.
Saying that in a Spec series brings the racing closer, that's true as its soley based on driver skill. But saying that all lap times are within a second, is absolutely false. I ran in the Spec series, as far back as the early GT6 days when JLBowler and DiabolicWyvern were dominating it, and the lap times were spread out just like it is now.

I myself don't really know to much about tuning, just put me behind the wheel, as I can drive. I can drive with or WITHOUT assists, it doesn't matter, I'm still fast.

What you say above makes it sound like we "Elite" need crutches and training wheels to get around the track fast lol. Simply not true, we just race with the rules laid out in front of us.

There are several of us who are willing to open a lobby every night so those who want to practice can do so, Lesson & I did last night. Tomorrow is the "Official Practice night", Alot of us should be on, run with us for a few hours.

One last thing, has anyone reached out to one of the "Elite" drivers and asked for any on track help/tutoring? I would be more then willing to help anyone, and have been doing so for years as a SNAIL member. @AJKVail & @fzappa can give testimony to the caliber of improvement in their racecraft they received.

P.S. if you want to bang doors in a historic, let me know.

 

[yogi bear]

I'm going to guess I'm one of the ones being called out
Talking from experience, I can tell you running a stock setup vs a tuned setup isn't going to net you a 4-5 second difference. Maybe 1-2.5 seconds depending on the track provided fuel & tires are the same. Our fellow racer @ONESPACE posted a link to setups that we ALL can use, I myself used it at Watkins Glen and it was good.
Saying that in a Spec series brings the racing closer, that's true as its soley based on driver skill. But saying that all lap times are within a second, is absolutely false. I ran in the Spec series, as far back as the early GT6 days when JLBowler and DiabolicWyvern were dominating it, and the lap times were spread out just like it is now.

I myself don't really know to much about tuning, just put me behind the wheel, as I can drive. I can drive with or WITHOUT assists, it doesn't matter, I'm still fast.

What you say above makes it sound like we "Elite" need crutches and training wheels to get around the track fast lol. Simply not true, we just race with the rules laid out in front of us.

There are several of us who are willing to open a lobby every night so those who want to practice can do so, Lesson & I did last night. Tomorrow is the "Official Practice night", Alot of us should be on, run with us for a few hours.

One last thing, has anyone reached out to one of the "Elite" drivers and asked for any on track help/tutoring? I would be more then willing to help anyone, and have been doing so for years as a SNAIL member. @AJKVail & @fzappa can give testimony to the caliber of improvement in their racecraft they received.

P.S. if you want to bang doors in a historic, let me know.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have the Vette, so it makes it hard for me to get in wheel time anyway. Don't take my taunt seriously about "elite". It was meant as a good natured poke. I'm just an old relic that still likes to go fast. But the new stuff is not to my liking. I never really did like gt3 or LMPs. I only drove them because of the guys I raced with were a good and funny bunch.. The league now hardly jokes around. It's like your favorite bar has a totally new customer base that talks only shop.

 

[IceWarden]

Running spec CAN make over 2 secs difference in lap times. Please don't try to minimize how much better a good tune can make your driving. Especially over the long haul. Take the Vette as a prime example. Stock settings on that car will put you in the weeds early and often if you try to push it. And don't get me started if the tires are worn. I know my times went down over 3 secs once I loaded up the settings...and I didn't crash every other lap.

Spec racing takes that crutch away and makes you walk on your own.

 

[Schmiggz]

Hi gents. How's everyone doing?

 

[Lessen]

Spec racing takes that crutch away and makes you walk on your own.

Yeah, until the field is handed a car with awful spec handling characteristics and a difficult track, then people will moan anyways and make some other excuse as to why tuning is better. We all know the viscous cycle right?

I think if spec racing is what a driver want to focus solely on, then this series just isn't for them. The competitive characteristics certainly are different, I do not disagree, but thats just a matter of preference and there's nothing wrong with that. Not everybody who prefers oranges will be willing to buy an apple too. Drivers can't have their cake and eat it too, neither can organizers.

 

[IceWarden]

Yeah, until the field is handed a car with awful spec handling characteristics and a difficult track, then people will moan anyways and make some other excuse as to why tuning is better. We all know the viscous cycle right?

Only if the organizers are terrible at choosing cars for the league...and we all know that vicious cycle right?

Drivers can certainly have their cake AND eat it if there is a league that suits their interests perfectly. Until then it's all compromises and having fun where you can until that league comes along.

 

[USERID_77a23]

For one, SNAIL has always been a spec/stock league since 2013. I've always been a spec racer and enjoyed that type of race the most, so SNAIL with its rules for fair play was a fit for me. Limit advantages of the car and see what the drivers can do. That being said, PITS and other series under the SNAIL banner have branched into tuning and have been quite successful. This series has had these set rules of tuning and KOQ from day one, so why the shock and awe this week after this series has been alive for months??
No one has said there can't be a stock league formed under the SNAIL banner in Pcars as well if that's what some like.

@AJKVail & @fzappa can give testimony to the caliber of improvement in their racecraft they received.

P.S. if you want to bang doors in a historic, let me know.

Wow, look at those name drops 👍👍

 

[irmopars]

Tonight is practice night, if someone is on earlier then 8 eastern and wants to open up a room please do so. Otherwise I'll setup one at 8, and it'll be open for atleast 3 hours.
FYI, I'm in the low 2'03-high 2'02 minute lap range.

If ANYONE wants help on improving their racecraft please get in touch and we can do that tonight in a party chat. @McTrucker will you be on tonight?

***Also, I confirm I'll be there Wednesday ***

 

[SAMHAIN85]

I plan on showing up for open practice tonight. Perhaps @Rednose58 and @GTLehman might be interested too. Do your practice lobbies get close to reaching full capacity? If it gets full tonight I have no problem backing out to let a registered member to the series take my spot if they can't get in.

I also had no idea the Vette was DLC. I just assumed I hadn't "unlocked" it by playing enough of the single player campaign.

See you guys tonight.

 

[irmopars]

I plan on showing up for open practice tonight. Perhaps @Rednose58 and @GTLehman might be interested too. Do your practice lobbies get close to reaching full capacity? If it gets full tonight I have no problem backing out to let a registered member to the series take my spot if they can't get in.

I also had no idea the Vette was DLC. I just assumed I hadn't "unlocked" it by playing enough of the single player campaign.

See you guys tonight.

We haven't seen a full practice room yet, usually guys come and run for 45-60 minutes then leave, so there's room for you.
Hope the other guys can make it!

 

[SGETI]

FYI, I'm in the low 2'03-high 2'02 minute lap rang

Are you on softs or mediums?

 

[Pillsbury55]

Hey guys. I will be on rather early tonight. I can open up a room if you want me to. Where is the race this week again? I can have it up be like 6 or so if there's people on that early that want some early practice. just add me on psn, pillsbury55, so I can see if you're on when the time comes.