[PITS]Project International Touring Series presented by SNAIL SundaysPS4 

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Starting this week we will be dropping the number of drivers in the main event lobby to bring in our Real Time Steward/Live streamer @Lessen. The RTS Regulations are as follows


PITS RTS Regulations


-All mics are to be muted. On track situations may be communicated through the chat. Otherwise we need to keep the channel clear to hear calls from the RTS during the race.

-Drivers are responsible for knowing the corners by number as that is how the RTS will audibly note any out of bounds warnings.

-OOB warnings will be given after the RTS sees someone repeat the same offense of not keeping two tires on racing surface multiple times. (This is the Snail OOB rule, and is what this league runs by. The in game penalties do not cover all of the illegal areas of the track.)

-The RTS can only file IRs after the 24 hour period for drivers to file. This gives time for anyone to self report, and allow them to receive concession points towards the penalty.


-Although the real time steward may review any driver submitted IR's as a part of the PITS review process, the RTS may only file IR's which can be seen from the RTS livestream.

-The RTS livestream shall be made private (unwatchable to all PITS drivers) immediately after racing has concluded and until after the driver IR window has passed; at which time it shall be made public.




The following regulations have been adjusted to more suit pcars rather than the old GT6. A big thanks to @Lessen for the permission to use the old WRRC guideline. Penalty points have not changed per level just description of penalties.

SNAIL PITS Penalty Guidelines

These guidelines are taken from the SNAIL Penalty Guidelines 1.3 and modified to suit the Project International Touring Series.

Level 1 (1 - 4 point penalty) - Likely caused by a lapse of concentration.
* A bump
* Shortcutting the track boundaries (1 pt. /incident)
Level 2 (5 - 8 point penalty) - Showed a lack of situational awareness.
* A shove
* This may be the result of carrying too much speed into a corner or braking too late, causing moderate to major contact.
* An unsafe track re-entry & use of "reset to track" also falls here (6-8 pts. cannot be halved for concession)
Level 3 (9 - 12 point penalty) - Demonstrates a lack of good race craft.
* The offending driver was likely too aggressive in a pass, creating a situation where his car met another at a drastic difference in speed.
* Excessive blocking or weaving.
* This is the lowest level that a dive bomb pass attempt would be penalized at.
Level 4 (13 - 16 point penalty) - Clearly showed a lack of judgment and a disregard for the tenets of good race craft.
* This is an incident from which complete recovery is realistically impossible.
* The offending driver likely came on an overtly aggressive line or made a move that directly put others in jeopardy.
Level 5 (17 + point penalty) - Intention may be believed or even known.
* Incidents of this caliber are race-ending and reputation-scarring.
* This level of penalty would require extensive discussions by the Stewards, and would be open to any penalties as we see fit up to and including placement on the last chance list, suspension from SNAIL events, or removal from SNAIL.

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- These levels are guidelines for us and you, and other penalties may be assessed as deemed necessary.

- Any of these penalties except for level 5 and unsafe re-entry could be halved with the proper concession after the fact during the race. Shortcut violations can be eliminated with proper on track concession. Penalties will only be assessed in whole point values. Example: A driver receives a 7 pt. penalty and makes a proper concession, they would be assessed a 4 pt. penalty (7/2=3.5 rounded to 4).

-A proper concession consists of a separate and deliberate act on the part of the offending driver to return any position gained or to negate any time gained during the incident. Ending up in the grass or sand trap and losing time because of your own action is not considered a concession.

-If a driver chooses to report a violation of the SNAIL PITS OLR that they committed themselves, that action will serve to cut the value of the penalty in half, provided the offending driver has met all prerequisites. This would apply to all penalties including unsafe re-entry to the track. This would still not apply to any level 5 penalties.

- Each of these penalties will bring about a probation period based on the level. A level 1 penalty will bring a 1 week probation period; level 2 brings 2 weeks, etc. The probation period doubles the effect of any incurred penalties.

- Multiple penalties in one week will be added to create a longer probation period: i.e. Level 1 + Level 3 penalties = 4 week probation.

- Multiple penalties during one week will not multiply the penalty points for that week.

- Drivers earn their way off of probation by racing without a reported incident for a full race night. Each night raced will remove one week of probation. In order for a night to be considered a full race night, a driver must race both races in that weeks event.

- Penalties for corner cutting will be totaled for each race. Four shortcuts in one race would equal a Level 1 penalty worth four points. Five shortcuts in one race would equal a Level 2 penalty worth 5 points. Any time an OOB violation is reported, the stewards will have the option to look at that driver's entire race for other possible violations.

-Stewards have the ability to assess penalties that are found during race reviewing, but we will not actively look for things to penalize (except in rare instances and only by decision of the chief steward). Any violations discovered by the stewards during review will not be subject to the filing deadline for race complaints.

Last Chance List Policy
-Once a driver reaches the maximum six week probation period or receives one level 5 penalty an automatic stewards vote is triggered to determine if the driver goes on the last chance list.

-Once on the last chance list, any penalty would trigger another vote by the stewards to determine what action should be taken. Those options will be: no action, suspension of a duration to be determined by the stewards, or a ban from SNAIL PITS. In addition to these options the stewards will have at their disposal the use of any other stipulation to membership that they wish to assign to a driver on a case by case basis.

-If a driver is found to have used a glitch or cheat while racing the stewards will have the option to place that driver on the LCL, suspend the driver for a duration to be determined by the stewards, or ban the driver from SNAIL PITS upon the first offense.

-During any stewards vote, the stewards would have until 8:00pm Eastern Time on the first racing Sunday after the vote was triggered to cast a vote and the majority of those voting would make the decision.

-In order for a driver to work their way off the last chance list, they must race without incident for how ever many number of weeks of probation they have.
 
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Starting this week we will be dropping the number of drivers in the main event lobby to bring in our Real Time Steward/Live streamer @Lessen. The RTS Regulations are as follows


PITS RTS Regulations


-All mics are to be muted. On track situations may be communicated through the chat. Otherwise we need to keep the channel clear to hear calls from the RTS during the race.

-Drivers are responsible for knowing the corners by number as that is how the RTS will audibly note any out of bounds warnings.

-OOB warnings will be given after the RTS sees someone repeat the same offense of not keeping two tires on racing surface multiple times. (This is the Snail OOB rule, and is what this league runs by. The in game penalties do not cover all of the illegal areas of the track.)

-The RTS can only file IRs after the 24 hour period for drivers to file. This gives time for anyone to self report, and allow them to receive concession points towards the penalty.


-Although the real time steward may review any driver submitted IR's as a part of the PITS review process, the RTS may only file IR's which can be seen from the RTS livestream.

-The RTS livestream shall be made private (unwatchable to all PITS drivers) immediately after racing has concluded and until after the driver IR window has passed; at which time it shall be made public.




The following regulations have been adjusted to more suit pcars rather than the old GT6. A big thanks to @Lessen for the permission to use the old WRRC guideline. Penalty points have not changed per level just description of penalties.

SNAIL PITS Penalty Guidelines

These guidelines are taken from the SNAIL Penalty Guidelines 1.3 and modified to suit the Project International Touring Series.

Level 1 (1 - 4 point penalty) - Likely caused by a lapse of concentration.
* A bump
* Shortcutting the track boundaries (1 pt. /incident)
Level 2 (5 - 8 point penalty) - Showed a lack of situational awareness.
* A shove
* This may be the result of carrying too much speed into a corner or braking too late, causing moderate to major contact.
* An unsafe track re-entry & use of "reset to track" also falls here (6-8 pts. cannot be halved for concession)
Level 3 (9 - 12 point penalty) - Demonstrates a lack of good race craft.
* The offending driver was likely too aggressive in a pass, creating a situation where his car met another at a drastic difference in speed.
* Excessive blocking or weaving.
* This is the lowest level that a dive bomb pass attempt would be penalized at.
Level 4 (13 - 16 point penalty) - Clearly showed a lack of judgment and a disregard for the tenets of good race craft.
* This is an incident from which complete recovery is realistically impossible.
* The offending driver likely came on an overtly aggressive line or made a move that directly put others in jeopardy.
Level 5 (17 + point penalty) - Intention may be believed or even known.
* Incidents of this caliber are race-ending and reputation-scarring.
* This level of penalty would require extensive discussions by the Stewards, and would be open to any penalties as we see fit up to and including placement on the last chance list, suspension from SNAIL events, or removal from SNAIL.

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- These levels are guidelines for us and you, and other penalties may be assessed as deemed necessary.

- Any of these penalties except for level 5 and unsafe re-entry could be halved with the proper concession after the fact during the race. Shortcut violations can be eliminated with proper on track concession. Penalties will only be assessed in whole point values. Example: A driver receives a 7 pt. penalty and makes a proper concession, they would be assessed a 4 pt. penalty (7/2=3.5 rounded to 4).

-A proper concession consists of a separate and deliberate act on the part of the offending driver to return any position gained or to negate any time gained during the incident. Ending up in the grass or sand trap and losing time because of your own action is not considered a concession.

-If a driver chooses to report a violation of the SNAIL PITS OLR that they committed themselves, that action will serve to cut the value of the penalty in half, provided the offending driver has met all prerequisites. This would apply to all penalties including unsafe re-entry to the track. This would still not apply to any level 5 penalties.

- Each of these penalties will bring about a probation period based on the level. A level 1 penalty will bring a 1 week probation period; level 2 brings 2 weeks, etc. The probation period doubles the effect of any incurred penalties.

- Multiple penalties in one week will be added to create a longer probation period: i.e. Level 1 + Level 3 penalties = 4 week probation.

- Multiple penalties during one week will not multiply the penalty points for that week.

- Drivers earn their way off of probation by racing without a reported incident for a full race night. Each night raced will remove one week of probation. In order for a night to be considered a full race night, a driver must race both races in that weeks event.

- Penalties for corner cutting will be totaled for each race. Four shortcuts in one race would equal a Level 1 penalty worth four points. Five shortcuts in one race would equal a Level 2 penalty worth 5 points. Any time an OOB violation is reported, the stewards will have the option to look at that driver's entire race for other possible violations.

-Stewards have the ability to assess penalties that are found during race reviewing, but we will not actively look for things to penalize (except in rare instances and only by decision of the chief steward). Any violations discovered by the stewards during review will not be subject to the filing deadline for race complaints.

Last Chance List Policy
-Once a driver reaches the maximum six week probation period or receives one level 5 penalty an automatic stewards vote is triggered to determine if the driver goes on the last chance list.

-Once on the last chance list, any penalty would trigger another vote by the stewards to determine what action should be taken. Those options will be: no action, suspension of a duration to be determined by the stewards, or a ban from SNAIL PITS. In addition to these options the stewards will have at their disposal the use of any other stipulation to membership that they wish to assign to a driver on a case by case basis.

-If a driver is found to have used a glitch or cheat while racing the stewards will have the option to place that driver on the LCL, suspend the driver for a duration to be determined by the stewards, or ban the driver from SNAIL PITS upon the first offense.

-During any stewards vote, the stewards would have until 8:00pm Eastern Time on the first racing Sunday after the vote was triggered to cast a vote and the majority of those voting would make the decision.

-In order for a driver to work their way off the last chance list, they must race without incident for how ever many number of weeks of probation they have.
Sucks that you had to take this step, Zii and Alex, but I'm glad to see it and hopefully it will prove to be a good experience.
Racing in GTPSS with a steward on the course was interesting, but their job was made easier due to GT's in game chat, which is easier to pass info along.
One idea: put up an official track map with turn numbers each week. I have a pdf of all the tracks in PCars, should be easy to put numbers in turns, if you don't want to go searching for maps with them already placed.
Cheers
 
Sucks that you had to take this step, Zii and Alex, but I'm glad to see it and hopefully it will prove to be a good experience.
Racing in GTPSS with a steward on the course was interesting, but their job was made easier due to GT's in game chat, which is easier to pass info along.
One idea: put up an official track map with turn numbers each week. I have a pdf of all the tracks in PCars, should be easy to put numbers in turns, if you don't want to go searching for maps with them already placed.
Cheers
This will not only help the provide cleaner racing we've come to expect from this crew, but it will also help make us all better drivers.

Edit: also the penalties are just a guideline for us on pcars. We were using snails original penalty system.
 
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Sucks that you had to take this step, Zii and Alex, but I'm glad to see it and hopefully it will prove to be a good experience.
Racing in GTPSS with a steward on the course was interesting, but their job was made easier due to GT's in game chat, which is easier to pass info along.
One idea: put up an official track map with turn numbers each week. I have a pdf of all the tracks in PCars, should be easy to put numbers in turns, if you don't want to go searching for maps with them already placed.
Cheers
Z and Alex were not really forced to take this step, it was an option that became available and a good one I believe. The facts of a small group of guys who race together every week, and some who know each other quite well from a long time of racing together, is that we tend not to file any IR's against each other, just an apology after, or a concession on track. The thing is though, that after a while we all start to push the boundaries a bit more until we get to the point that we are getting away with things that we shouldn't be getting away with. Nobody really likes to file an IR against one of their racing buddies, even if it messed up their race, so having an impartial steward to do this takes away that personal aspect and penalties can now be given without one driver feeling bad about another. With Lessen not racing and being affected by anything happening on track, he can watch with impartiality, and I know he won't hand out any penalties unless they are duly deserved. It won't be the easiest job for Lessen sometimes, and we can't hold anything personal against him for making sure we race by the rules.
The hardest part is going to be knowing the corner numbers, we will need a map close at hand and hopefully won't go off track when looking at it, lol. Maybe tape it to the bottom of the tv!
It will be interesting to see how all this works out, and thanks to Lessen for doing this, I know you don't have the time to prepare for race night, so at least this gets you "out" for the evening!
 
Z and Alex were not really forced to take this step, it was an option that became available and a good one I believe. The facts of a small group of guys who race together every week, and some who know each other quite well from a long time of racing together, is that we tend not to file any IR's against each other, just an apology after, or a concession on track. The thing is though, that after a while we all start to push the boundaries a bit more until we get to the point that we are getting away with things that we shouldn't be getting away with. Nobody really likes to file an IR against one of their racing buddies, even if it messed up their race, so having an impartial steward to do this takes away that personal aspect and penalties can now be given without one driver feeling bad about another. With Lessen not racing and being affected by anything happening on track, he can watch with impartiality, and I know he won't hand out any penalties unless they are duly deserved. It won't be the easiest job for Lessen sometimes, and we can't hold anything personal against him for making sure we race by the rules.
The hardest part is going to be knowing the corner numbers, we will need a map close at hand and hopefully won't go off track when looking at it, lol. Maybe tape it to the bottom of the tv!
It will be interesting to see how all this works out, and thanks to Lessen for doing this, I know you don't have the time to prepare for race night, so at least this gets you "out" for the evening!
Oh, I know that, Steve. In the one race I commented while broadcasting, I saw a metric ton of stuff that could lead to an IR but didn't exactly because of what you said. So it's going to clean up the racing and make the league ever better, which can only help.
As far as the track map goes, every single racing driver has one in his car, so we will just be upping the realism factor a bit. And it takes a few times to know them all and get into the groove of it, so I don't think there will be many crashes while looking at the map.

I am really happy to have finally turned the PS4 on after almost 2 months and can't wait to be with all of you on track again.

Now let me just finish mailing this huge order of champagne and caviar to Lessen's house, for no reason whatsoever...
 
Does this take affect immediately? Or at the start of next season?

OFFICIALLY in full effect at the beginning of next season. The next two events will be used as warmup to the new procedures.

Have no fear. We absolutely want everybody to have some time to prepare and get used things. Plus, well have some opportunities to look at any bugs that may arise that we haven't thought of.
 
hey guys, what car are you using right now. I might be able to try racing did a few laughs last night with one arm didn't go too bad.
 
When is practice @Zii1993 ?? I'd like to test audio and streaming.

Oh, this might be handy to print out and keep close.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd171/Lessen_photos/SNAIL PITS/Le Mans_zps9gyjde7e.jpg~original

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Le Mans
17:00
X25 Time Progression (day-night-day)
X4 Tire Wear
Weather: clear
Manditory pit stop

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Below are the current Active Drivers with provisional entries into the Main Event. The below listed drivers (not listed in BOLD below) need to confirm their intent to race at Le Mans by replying in this topic (no later than 7:00 pm eastern on Wednesday) with a simple post that they plan to race this week (Example - I confirm). I will update the list accordingly.

If there are less than 15 drivers confirmed, we will not need KOQ this week and will open the Lobby to all drivers @ 8:30pm Eastern. If there are more than 16 confirmed drivers that week, we will implement the original KOQ process and only the top 10 Confirmed drivers will be locked in and all other drivers will need to go through KOQ as usual.

1. @JoeW
2. @HazardLvL4
3. @vovik05
4. SGETI - Confirmed
5. @aerolite
6. Mike Lobban - Confirmed
7. @Alex ONeill
8. Zii1993 - Confirmed
9. @TomMang_68
10. @yogi bear

@USERID_77a23
@Harley Owen
@racer420
@cheezzus
Swjaxson - Host
@Matthew Barry
@Fallen_log
@WSK96
@SilentProdigy
@vsfit
@twitcher
@Whitey093
@jaydeisel
Flipj - Confirmed
McTrucker - Confirmed


If I've missed you on the list please confirm and i will add you.
 
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can I get in?
Le Mans
17:00
X25 Time Progression (day-night-day)
X4 Tire Wear
Weather: clear
Manditory pit stop

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Below are the current Active Drivers with provisional entries into the Main Event. The below listed drivers (not listed in BOLD below) need to confirm their intent to race at Le Mans by replying in this topic (no later than 7:00 pm eastern on Wednesday) with a simple post that they plan to race this week (Example - I confirm). I will update the list accordingly.

If there are less than 15 drivers confirmed, we will not need KOQ this week and will open the Lobby to all drivers @ 8:30pm Eastern. If there are more than 16 confirmed drivers that week, we will implement the original KOQ process and only the top 10 Confirmed drivers will be locked in and all other drivers will need to go through KOQ as usual.

1. @JoeW
2. @HazardLvL4
3. @vovik05
4. @SGETI
5. @aerolite
6. @Mike Lobban
7. @Alex ONeill
8. Zii1993 - Confirmed
9. @TomMang_68
10. @yogi bear

@USERID_77a23
@Harley Owen
@racer420
@cheezzus
Swjaxson - Host
@Matthew Barry
@Fallen_log
@WSK96
@SilentProdigy
@vsfit
@twitcher
@Whitey093
@jaydeisel

If I've missed you on the list please confirm and i will add you.
 
We all got nailed by Handlebar that race, I think there were over a hundred OOB penalties.....I got a few.

I can see it now, looking at your turn number map to report while the race is on is going to be difficult. ahhhh I'm at turn.........a shoot, I'm off the track.. Ain't nobody got time fo dat. Even though I am one of the guilty ones, I like the idea of muting for the race.

I'm in for Wednesday.
 
How many did you see happen?

That was the week before I joined. The thread was not very friendly that week....

I'm sure I probably followed a few, but you know how it is... far more concerned with my own line to pay much attention to others.

But yeah, it was not very friendly. Everybody was a bit irritated. Except for a handful who were neither penalized or had the responsibility of dealing with it.
 
We all got nailed by Handlebar that race, I think there were over a hundred OOB penalties.....I got a few.

I can see it now, looking at your turn number map to report while the race is on is going to be difficult. ahhhh I'm at turn.........a shoot, I'm off the track.. Ain't nobody got time fo dat. Even though I am one of the guilty ones, I like the idea of muting for the race.

I'm in for Wednesday.

Yeah, I think you're right. It was crazy absurd amount of OOB's.

Don't sweat it much. This week is a learning experience anyways. Besides, it's not something that you're going to hear a lot of throughout the race. I can only watch so much at once and I'm not going to give warnings on first offences, which means I literally have to watch at least 2 consecutive laps or just happen to catch the same driver at the same corner as I go through the monitoring cycle. This track has some weird things going on with white lines and rumble strips too, which I've decided I'm not going to bother breaking down this week anyways.

But, If I'm a driver I'm probably going to look at the map and at least know the corners I most expect I could accidentally cut. Then I know.
 
Yeah, I think you're right. It was crazy absurd amount of OOB's.

Don't sweat it much. This week is a learning experience anyways. Besides, it's not something that you're going to hear a lot of throughout the race. I can only watch so much at once and I'm not going to give warnings on first offences, which means I literally have to watch at least 2 consecutive laps or just happen to catch the same driver at the same corner as I go through the monitoring cycle. This track has some weird things going on with white lines and rumble strips too, which I've decided I'm not going to bother breaking down this week anyways.

But, If I'm a driver I'm probably going to look at the map and at least know the corners I most expect I could accidentally cut. Then I know.
Mulsanne chicanes, Mulsanne corner, Indianapolis, Porsche curves, Ford chicanes.
I'll figure the numbers out later...
 
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