Playing on PS4 with a Logitech Driving Force GT & G27 with FFB

[Mike_grpA]

Hahaha. I won't.

First, the G27 isn't even a PlayStation wheel. It's a PC wheel. Worked on PlayStation tho. Pretty nice, huh?

Oh, and the GT Force for GT3 (Early PS2, 2001/2002) as well as the Driving Force for PS2, and Driving Force Pro were ALL still supported in GT6, a LATE PS3 release... alongside the DFGT, the T500RS... and oh yeah, the UNLICENSED G25 and G27. So that's... damn near two whole generations! Wow.

What's the problem man? Why can't people see that Sony and Logitech NEED to make money too, or they can't bring us the games and accessories we want?? I mean, I hate replacing gear as much as the next guy, but when you change consoles, you usually need new accessories (unless they're Logitech wheels, amirite guys??)

Do I think the "G29" is a good deal? Hell no. But I understand WHY they had to do it. And I am sure that if Logitech didn't have to make a "new" wheel they would happily just still be selling G27s and laughing all the way to the bank paying no licensing fees.

Thrustmaster paid for a new license BTW, and no one has promised T500 owners (and I am one) universal compatibility.

Fanatec snuck in the back door on TWO games, PCARS and F1 2015, so far anyways. Not exactly full compatibility. BTW, I also have a Fanatec CSR Elite wheel too, so I'd SURE like to see it work on PS4.

So as you might see, I don't think it's fair to vilify Logitech for giving us WAY more support than practically any other company has. You don't like it, hey, good for you. Build an adapter, use your G27, I don't even blame you. Just, you know, don't be a dick about it.

Anyways, I've said my bit, and you've all said yours. Haters gonna hate, right, one way or another.

Nothing you just said has anything to do with my post, and don't call me a dick, it's not my fault you can't understand what people are saying to you, there's no need to resort to name calling to make yourself feel better. You certainly wouldn't say that to my face, so let's keep the childish behaviour off the forum yeah?

Now for starters, I said nothing about Logitech's PS2 wheels, I specifically mentioned that they only supported the G27 for half of one console gen. Saying "it's a PC wheel not a playstation wheel" is complete nonsense, since it was marketed as a PS3 wheel. It's not a stretch to assume owners would have expected it to be supported, as Thrustmaster's and Fanatec's old wheels are, on the current gen.

Again, Sony has nothing to do with Logitech not supporting the G27, all Sony did this gen was required specific hardware to be integrated into peripherals in order to be supported for the PS4's home menu. If Sony wanted to block older peripherals, we wouldn't be using other companies' legacy wheels like we are.

The only reason Logitech made the G29 was to make money, that much is obvious, and I don't think people would have a problem with it if it wasn't such a blatant cash grab. As I said, the other two main wheel makers have new wheels with native PS4 support, which are at least a little better than their old wheels (hugely better in Fanatec's case), so they obviously aren't afraid of supporting their old wheels, as they don't see it taking away potential sales of their new gear. Logitech, on the other hand, had to refuse to support their old wheels, as the new one is basically identical, except for the hugely inflated price, so no one would buy it if they could just use a G25 or 27.

Fanatec wheels are currently supported on three games on PS4, and you can bet they'll be supported on many more as new racing games come out. Driveclub doesn't support Fanatec gear, and one of these devices is a great way to get around that.

Lastly, no one is "vilifying Logitech for giving us WAY more support than practically any other company has", because they currently support nothing except the new wheel. So people are justifiably pissed that Logitech won't provide devs with drivers for a wheel they only just stopped selling. That's not vilification, it's a massive customer base who are now unhappy, and no doubt not buying Logitech gear for the foreseeable future.

 

[super_gt]

What's the problem man? Why can't people see that Sony and Logitech NEED to make money too.
Do I think the "G29" is a good deal? Hell no. But I understand WHY they had to do it.

In this case Sony and Logitech will have no problem to see and understand why I bought PC instead of PS4 and why I will continue to use my DFGT instead of buying G29

 

[mjm23race]

2 questions.

Why do peole post in threads that they have no interest in?

What else are those PI things supposed to be used for?

 

[gt_fan]

2 questions.

Why do peole post in threads that they have no interest in?

What else are those PI things supposed to be used for?

It's a small computer
http://www.cnet.com/au/how-to/25-fun-things-to-do-with-a-raspberry-pi/

 

[Gunstar]

2 questions.

Why do people post in threads that they have no interest in?

If this was another shot at me, it's because I AM interested, although somewhat indirectly.

If you can use a PI to emulate Logitech wheels on PS4, and older Fanatec wheels emulate Logitech wheels, is it possible that I might be able to use my Fanatec wheel on PS4 in games that don't have Fanatec support (like anything but PCars and F1 2015)?

I do also have a DFGT, but since I transitioned to the Fanatec as my console wheel I don't see myself going back to it, and I just keep it around for PS2 games mostly these days.

 

[Mike_grpA]

If this was another shot at me, it's because I AM interested, although somewhat indirectly.

If you can use a PI to emulate Logitech wheels on PS4, and older Fanatec wheels emulate Logitech wheels, is it possible that I might be able to use my Fanatec wheel on PS4 in games that don't have Fanatec support (like anything but PCars and F1 2015)?

I do also have a DFGT, but since I transitioned to the Fanatec as my console wheel I don't see myself going back to it, and I just keep it around for PS2 games mostly these days.

Fanatec wheels are also supported on The Crew. The only racing games I know of that don't support them are Driveclub and WRC 5, and I read somewhere that support is coming to WRC, as it only launched with support for Thrustmaster wheels, not even G29.

If you had read my earlier posts here you'd see your question is exactly what I asked originally, and another memeber pointed me to a post on the Gimx forum where someone got a GT3RS to work by setting the Gimx up for a G25, and then piggybacking on it with the GT3 in PS3 mode.

ATM the only game worth getting one of these for is Driveclub, as it's the only one with no chance of Fanatec support. I've looked into it, and it seems it's quite a pain in the arse to set it up for G25, but once you've worked it all out, it'll be plug n play after that.

I'm going to make one eventually, as I haven't played Driveclub much since getting my Fanatec wheel, and being able to play it with a wheel would mean I'd be much more likely to play it. I'm just putting it off as I've currently got a lot on, and I know it'll be a headache to get working properly, but I'll post here when I do build one and share my results with you all, and for the Fanatec guys I'll share exactly how I went about getting it to work.

I also have a DFGT, but like you I don't want to use it after using better wheels. I've kept it as a backup, but the only use it's had in a year is my 3 year old using it pretending to drive lol.

 

[knd]

One more using GIMX for "testing" a DFGT. Works great, tested using windows 10 64bit. Less than $20.
No lag...at least in DriveClub. Can't test project cars because I have the steam version and the game is not worth the full price they ask for PS4 (or other system..it's not that great).

Hardware needed:
- USB 2.0 TO RS232 UART TTL Serial CP2102
- Pro Micro Atmega32u4 5v 16mhz Arduino Compatible Board



PS: There is a hell of offtopic about the support of Logitech wheels in PS4. Go buy a PC/XBONE/....new wheel and be happy.

 

[fatkrakr]

One more using GIMX for "testing" a DFGT. Works great, tested using windows 10 64bit. Less than $20.
No lag...at least in DriveClub. Can't test project cars because I have the steam version and the game is not worth the full price they ask for PS4 (or other system..it's not that great).

Hardware needed:
- USB 2.0 TO RS232 UART TTL Serial CP2102
- Pro Micro Atmega32u4 5v 16mhz Arduino Compatible Board



PS: There is a hell of offtopic about the support of Logitech wheels in PS4. Go buy a PC/XBONE/....new wheel and be happy.

The DFGT works in those games on the PC without that thing. Not sure what you tested.

 

[Gogga]

The DFGT works in those games on the PC without that thing. Not sure what you tested.

He also tested driveclub on the ps4

 

[GETEDA]

http://www.reasnow.com/where-to-buy.html



This was my best choice for emu a DFGT on PS4, but now i want "take my money and shut up" with the G29..

 

[Mike_grpA]

http://www.reasnow.com/where-to-buy.html



This was my best choice for emu a DFGT on PS4, but now i want "take my money and shut up" with the G29..

That ffb graph made me cringe.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

That ffb graph made me cringe.

Could be caused by messed up ffb settings in game or just no calibration to the wheel before plugging it in.

Found a more in depth video about it. Out of all the kits you can buy, this one seems the most legit. Although it's rather pricey.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Could be caused by messed up ffb settings in game or just no calibration to the wheel before plugging it in.

Found a more in depth video about it. Out of all the kits you can buy, this one seems the most legit. Although it's rather pricey.

Yeah I was talking about the ffb clipping almost all the effects. As soon as he started turning the graph maxxed out and was clipping.

That vid is interesting, does that thing work with the G25? or only G27? I stopped watching at the point where the dude says the G27 is the best wheel ever, as I figured he probably won't know if it supports any other wheels if he honestly believes the G27 is the best ever lol.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

That vid is interesting, does that thing work with the G25? or only G27?

I believe he confirmed that it would work with the DFGT in the comments. If it works with the DFGT, I don't see how it shouldn't work with the G25.

 

[Mike_grpA]

I believe he confirmed that it would work with the DFGT in the comments. If it works with the DFGT, I don't see how it shouldn't work with the G25.

I only asked because the DFGT and G27 work with GIMX, and so does the G25, but apparently it's tricky to get the G25 working. The Fanatec wheels' PS3 mode piggybacks off of G25 drivers, so anything compatible with G25 will be compatible with the Fanatec wheels that have a PS3 mode.

Edit: Just looked into it, and they seem good, but really expensive ($160+ aud), and they only state it works with NSF rivals, Driveclub, and Pcars on PS4. It does say it supports G25 though, and it seems like it's much easier to set up than the GIMX, but at that price I dunno if it's worth it. The GIMX costs very little to build, so maybe it's worth trying that first, and if it proves too problematic, one of these might be on the cards.

In any case, thanks for sharing! The more options we have for wheel support, the better.

 

[[Nor]MclarenF1]

I only asked because the DFGT and G27 work with GIMX, and so does the G25, but apparently it's tricky to get the G25 working. The Fanatec wheels' PS3 mode piggybacks off of G25 drivers, so anything compatible with G25 will be compatible with the Fanatec wheels that have a PS3 mode.

Edit: Just looked into it, and they seem good, but really expensive ($160+ aud), and they only state it works with NSF rivals, Driveclub, and Pcars on PS4. It does say it supports G25 though, and it seems like it's much easier to set up than the GIMX, but at that price I dunno if it's worth it. The GIMX costs very little to build, so maybe it's worth trying that first, and if it proves too problematic, one of these might be on the cards.

In any case, thanks for sharing! The more options we have for wheel support, the better.

If the GIMX project manages to in time reach the Reasnows level of user friendliness and plug and play, but without the big price tag, they'll go like hot cakes.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Yeah I do like that the Reasnow doesn't need to be plugged into a PC all the time, but at this stage I'd only be buying it for Driveclub support, as all my other racing games support my wheel, and at $160, it's just too much to be able to use my wheel on one extra game.

 

[knd]

The DFGT works in those games on the PC without that thing. Not sure what you tested.

If you read what I said...DriveClub it runs on PC....NOT.

For GIMX to work, you need a computer running windows or linux.
You connect that home made "thing", one side to the PC (USB), the other to the PS4 (from the micro-USB port). Then, you connect the Logitech wheel to the PC, and the PS4 controller to the PC by cable or bluetooth. Then, run the GIMX app, and start playing. It's not a nice solution, but better than nothing, and a big effort from Matlo, to achieve this. Some people use a PI, which is small compared to almost every computer...and cheap.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Yeah it's a bit of a messy solution, but it's very cheap. Hopefully they can make a device like the Reasnow that can have the software flashed onto it and be used without the need for a computer being plugged in all the time. If they can do that, and offer it at a reasonable price, they'll make a mint.

 

[gt_fan]

Just some feedback after using the gimx device after a few weeks:

Had some disconnections issues when I first started. I worked out that I was not following the right procedure for it to work. Now it works every time I plug it in and as long as I want to use it.

I have been using a Driving Force GT on Project Cars and Driveclub on PS4. On Project Cars my DFGT is recognized as a G29 - force feedback is too strong on the default settings, switched it to Classic and I'm very happy. I can pick up more detail from using a wheel than a controller - it's like using GT6 with a wheel, maybe with a bit more detail...

I'm extremely happy with the gimx - kudos to the guys who came up with it.

Now if only I could use my DFGT on an xbox 360 and xbox one, I'll be one happy camper.

 

[nmcp1]

Need some help from the folks who have gotten this to work. I've got all the necessary parts and have gone through the instructions dozens of time but I can't seem to get mine to work. Apparently I need the version for complete idiot rather than just the dummy ...

Here's what I have so far.
Vista 32bit laptop
Teensy with pins
USB Serial Converter CP2102
Various versions of both required cables.
GIMX 32-bit

-I've flashed the Teensy with the atmega32u4.hex file from the EMUG29PS4 folder. To make sure the Teensy was working I tried the blinking program available on Teensy's website. Loaded that without any issues.
-Double and triple checked the connections. Also tried swapping the D2 & D3 pins as well.
-Re-installed Gimx launcher multiple times making sure to also install usbdk as well.
-LogitechG27_G29.xml config file loaded into GIMX Launcher.

From what I've gathered from the non-dummy version of the instructions, I should be able to navigate the PS4 menus from the laptop keyboard.

USB converter plugged into laptop---> Teensy side plugged into PS4--->G27 plugged into laptop.

When I click START on the GIMX launcher the G27 goes through its self calibration process but the log file reads like below:

option -l with value `log.txt'
option -c with value `LogitechG27_G29.xml'
option -p with value `COM7'
status flag is set
subpos flag is set
force_updates flag is set
window_events flag is set
native mode command sent to HID device \\?\hid#vid_046d&pid_c294#6&7fc47b3&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf-88cb-001111000030} (PID=c294)
src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


HID device \\?\hid#vid_046d&pid_c294#6&7fc47b3&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf-88cb-001111000030} not found
ReadFile failed: timeout expired.
can't read packet header
No controller detected.
adapter_detect failed


I'm not a programmer but I am good at following directions.... at least I thought I was. HELP!

 

[gt_fan]

Try the gimx forum and post it to the support forum. Matlo is very helpful.

http://forum.gimx.fr/

Good luck.

When I was building it, it didn't work as well. Trawling thru their forums, some of the cp2102 have the labels swapped (tx and rx). I swapped my cables and it worked straight away.

I assembled 2 of these devices:
1. cp2102 and arduino leornardo
2. cp2102 and teensy 2.0

Both work well.

 

[Rautz]

Need some help from the folks who have gotten this to work. I've got all the necessary parts and have gone through the instructions dozens of time but I can't seem to get mine to work. Apparently I need the version for complete idiot rather than just the dummy ...

Here's what I have so far.
Vista 32bit laptop
Teensy with pins
USB Serial Converter CP2102
Various versions of both required cables.
GIMX 32-bit

-I've flashed the Teensy with the atmega32u4.hex file from the EMUG29PS4 folder. To make sure the Teensy was working I tried the blinking program available on Teensy's website. Loaded that without any issues.
-Double and triple checked the connections. Also tried swapping the D2 & D3 pins as well.
-Re-installed Gimx launcher multiple times making sure to also install usbdk as well.
-LogitechG27_G29.xml config file loaded into GIMX Launcher.

From what I've gathered from the non-dummy version of the instructions, I should be able to navigate the PS4 menus from the laptop keyboard.

USB converter plugged into laptop---> Teensy side plugged into PS4--->G27 plugged into laptop.

When I click START on the GIMX launcher the G27 goes through its self calibration process but the log file reads like below:

option -l with value `log.txt'
option -c with value `LogitechG27_G29.xml'
option -p with value `COM7'
status flag is set
subpos flag is set
force_updates flag is set
window_events flag is set
native mode command sent to HID device \\?\hid#vid_046d&pid_c294#6&7fc47b3&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf-88cb-001111000030} (PID=c294)
src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


HID device \\?\hid#vid_046d&pid_c294#6&7fc47b3&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf-88cb-001111000030} not found
ReadFile failed: timeout expired.
can't read packet header
No controller detected.
adapter_detect failed


I'm not a programmer but I am good at following directions.... at least I thought I was. HELP!

Is your ds4 plugged into the laptop via the usb connection?

 

[GT3Fan]

Need some help from the folks who have gotten this to work. I've got all the necessary parts and have gone through the instructions dozens of time but I can't seem to get mine to work. Apparently I need the version for complete idiot rather than just the dummy ...

Here's what I have so far.
Vista 32bit laptop
Teensy with pins
USB Serial Converter CP2102
Various versions of both required cables.
GIMX 32-bit

-I've flashed the Teensy with the atmega32u4.hex file from the EMUG29PS4 folder. To make sure the Teensy was working I tried the blinking program available on Teensy's website. Loaded that without any issues.
-Double and triple checked the connections. Also tried swapping the D2 & D3 pins as well.
-Re-installed Gimx launcher multiple times making sure to also install usbdk as well.
-LogitechG27_G29.xml config file loaded into GIMX Launcher.

From what I've gathered from the non-dummy version of the instructions, I should be able to navigate the PS4 menus from the laptop keyboard.

USB converter plugged into laptop---> Teensy side plugged into PS4--->G27 plugged into laptop.

When I click START on the GIMX launcher the G27 goes through its self calibration process but the log file reads like below:

option -l with value `log.txt'
option -c with value `LogitechG27_G29.xml'
option -p with value `COM7'
status flag is set
subpos flag is set
force_updates flag is set
window_events flag is set
native mode command sent to HID device \\?\hid#vid_046d&pid_c294#6&7fc47b3&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf-88cb-001111000030} (PID=c294)
src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


src/windows/async.c:180 CreateFile failed with error: The system cannot find the file specified.


HID device \\?\hid#vid_046d&pid_c294#6&7fc47b3&0&0000#{4d1e55b2-f16f-11cf-88cb-001111000030} not found
ReadFile failed: timeout expired.
can't read packet header
No controller detected.
adapter_detect failed


I'm not a programmer but I am good at following directions.... at least I thought I was. HELP!

When you run gimx-launcher, there's a button called Check Settings. It should indicate if it can find all your devices.

 

[knd]

Do you have the Logitech software installed?

Do check what nmcp1 and GT3Fan said.
After that you need to push the PS button on the controller. That is needed for using the controller ID into the fake G29 wheel ID, to be detected as a "certified" controller. I'm at work right now, and I think you have to push de PS button before the "Check settings"

 

[nmcp1]

Try the gimx forum and post it to the support forum. Matlo is very helpful.

http://forum.gimx.fr/

Good luck.

When I was building it, it didn't work as well. Trawling thru their forums, some of the cp2102 have the labels swapped (tx and rx). I swapped my cables and it worked straight away.

I assembled 2 of these devices:
1. cp2102 and arduino leornardo
2. cp2102 and teensy 2.0

Both work well.

I tried swapping those two numerous times with no luck. Thanks for the link. I've got a conversation going over there which seems to mirror some of the responses I've gotten over here.

Is your ds4 plugged into the laptop via the usb connection?

No. This seems to be one of the pieces of the puzzle that's missing from the dummies instructions.

When you run gimx-launcher, there's a button called Check Settings. It should indicate if it can find all your devices.

It shows no device found.

Do you have the Logitech software installed?

Do check what nmcp1 and GT3Fan said.
After that you need to push the PS button on the controller. That is needed for using the controller ID into the fake G29 wheel ID, to be detected as a "certified" controller. I'm at work right now, and I think you have to push de PS button before the "Check settings"

Again, another piece of the puzzle that's missing from the instructions. Maybe it's common knowledge for those that have done this in the past with other consoles/ input devices, but to the truly green person doing this for the first time, those instructions leave a ton of information out. Can anyone give me a sequence of what order I should be plugging/ powering things up?

 

[knd]

Try this:
PS4 off.
Plug to the PC: wheel, PS4 controller via USB cable, USB serial converter.
Plug to PS4: teensy board or equivalent
Turn on the PS4 via Power button, let it start to the main menu.
Press the PS4 controller PS button to turn the controller on
Run GIMX-Serial (don't have the correct name here, the one that have the check and start button.)
in the Outup dropdown: should be "DIY USB" or something like that
in the Port: "COM3" (or other, if not check device manager)
input: "Physical devices"
in Config: "LogitechDrivingForceGT_G29.xml" (or G25/G27 as wheel used...don't forget to download in the menu the config for your wheel)
Messages: None
Grab mouse: Checked


Click check
if it's ok
Start...

go play (Hope so)

 

[Gogga]

I have a question for someone who is using the Gimx.
Since its emulating a G29 using the DS4, when a lap is set in Project Cars, does it show as a wheel or a pad?

 

[gt_fan]

I have a question for someone who is using the Gimx.
Since its emulating a G29 using the DS4, when a lap is set in Project Cars, does it show as a wheel or a pad?

The ps4 sees the wheel you plug in as a G29. It does not work the same way as a cronus/titan which treats the wheel as a ds4. You can configure the wheel settings as though a real G29 was connected.

 

[Gogga]

The ps4 sees the wheel you plug in as a G29. It does not work the same way as a cronus/titan which treats the wheel as a ds4. You can configure the wheel settings as though a real G29 was connected.

Thanks for the answer.