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sikbeta
I don't think MS or Sony will go with too much power, if prices are too high (even if they subsidize the consoles) compared to the wii-u and same thing happens twice = less powerful console sells the most, it'll establish the precedent of no need of graphical power and go for the "gimmicks" / add-ons or "new experiences" like wii-waggle-waggle-controller, mii-ove-too-controller, kinect-not-good-for-gaming-camera and ipad-like-controller to get more sales

MS is rumored to go for 4-to-8GB or DDR3 RAM, but also they'll want kinect2 to be in every bundle and the current version will not do the difference, since it's a stripped down version of the original prototype in order to lower the manufacturing costs, so they'll improve the current camera and that will affect the budget for other components of the new console

Sony is rumored to go with 2GB of DDR5 RAM, nothing is known about the controller, DualShock 4? AMD APU with a powerful GPU in the SOC or AMD 4 Cores CPU and poweful AMD GPU

With a price of $399 or less, it's going to be OK, more than that in this economy and...
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Somehow I have an inkling that you are both right and wrong with that statement.

By nature consoles have to be more powerful than PC and then they allow the PC market to catch up, but this generation, that gap has seemed to have closed significantly in both performance and technology availability. One has to remember that the current generation of consoles is made from currently existing technology, and that has been more painfully obvious than the Xbox 360 and the Wii.

One might say, "Sanji, there is no real comparison between the two." Yes there is. The 360 and the Wii both run on proprietary hardware, meaning that if you wish to develop a game for those two platforms, you must assume some facts going into the development process in order to get those games published.

For example, you must assume that for the 360, you must develop with no hard drive in the system, and even if there is one in the system, you can't upgrade it in any fashion on your own without MS approved HDDs. The Wii isn't much better because of their choice to go strictly flash memory with no way to download whole games like the PS3 or 360, in some respects, can.
 
Sanji Himura
Somehow I have an inkling that you are both right and wrong with that statement.

By nature consoles have to be more powerful than PC and then they allow the PC market to catch up, but this generation, that gap has seemed to have closed significantly in both performance and technology availability.
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Wat? :banghead:
 
I think the gap is closing to some extent, at least in terms of presenting competent versions of modern games. We're not in the days where a port of Doom or Quake to a then-current console was a joke. PCs have the edge of mouse/keyboard controls for FPS, which won't work on a console due to the living room-centric focus, but other than that they aren't too far apart. Granted, some of that is due to games being designed around consoles rather than for PCs, whether or not the PC versions are actually ports.

Yes, PCs can run games at higher resolutions and with better framerates, and that's great. Things like triple monitors and 3D are also easier to do on PCs. I wish more people cared about that stuff, but many don't.
 
SirDrexl
I think the gap is closing to some extent, at least in terms of presenting competent versions of modern games.
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If we're talking processing power, however, which seems to be more in line with the debate at hand, I'd say that the gap has been increasing compared to previous generations.

Honestly, processing power is increasing faster than ever by now, how would that help to close such a gap?
 
IMO if they announce the PS4 next year I believe that it will only release on 2014 or 2015 because if you think about it, they just announced 2 brand new ip's for PS3. If it releases next year like most entertainment websites are saying, then they will risk some potential sales.
 
wicken
IMO if they announce the PS4 next year I believe that it will only release on 2014 or 2015 because if you think about it, they just announced 2 brand new ip's for PS3. If it releases next year like most entertainment websites are saying, then they will risk some potential sales.
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Maybe a hint at backwards compatibility? :lol: I don't think the release of two games is going to delay the launch. If Microsoft is releasing next year so is Sony.
 
wicken
IMO if they announce the PS4 next year I believe that it will only release on 2014 or 2015 because if you think about it, they just announced 2 brand new ip's for PS3. If it releases next year like most entertainment websites are saying, then they will risk some potential sales.
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The sales would be almost the same. The earliest Next Gen Console Release would be Holiday 2013. In my opinion.

The Gamer wants to play Games on ps3 until the ps4 release. Or do you think they'll stop buying ps3 Games or don't use PS3 anymore After the PS4 is announced?

CMvan46
Maybe a hint at backwards compatibility? :lol:
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No
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they flesh out Plus and add features like cross-game parties and things of that nature.
 
CMvan46
:lol:

It was a joke hence the laughing after it. It seems to be a hot topic for some reason even though I don't really see a need for it. Want to play old games? Have the old console..
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It's about convenience though. If the PS4 doesn't have backwards compatibility for PS3 or PS2 that would mean having three different consoles in the living room if you wanted to play all three.
 
I hope they do not go silly and try to output in 2k or something because they will fail like they did this generation with "HD gaming" with most console games not actually being true HD (720p) let alone 1080p.
 
marchi
PS4 will be backwards compatible.
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The ps3 isn't backward compatible anymore. Sony can earn Money with digital HD Remakes, PS1, PS2 games.
They could sell digital PS3 Games.

Just give me One reason why you think Sony won't want to earn Money and will make the ps4 backward compatible.
 
ch3ng
The ps3 isn't backward compatible anymore. Sony can earn Money with digital HD Remakes, PS1, PS2 games.
They could sell digital PS3 Games.

Just give me One reason why you think Sony won't want to earn Money and will make the ps4 backward compatible.
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Because an unknown* number of gamers with previous generation consoles and games won't buy it if it isn't backward compatible?

Therefore Sony would lose sales of both consoles and games.

I'd say that is a perfectly valid reason myself.

*some/many/most/all. Delete as applicable.
 
Tired Tyres
Because an unknown* number of gamers with previous generation consoles and games won't buy it if it isn't backward compatible?

Therefore Sony would lose sales of both consoles and games.

I'd say that is a perfectly valid reason myself.

*some/many/most/all. Delete as applicable.
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You still are not getting the point that it will be impossible because of the hardware........

PS4 will not have the PS3's CELL Cpu, Therefore any games that have been coded to work with the CELL will not run on another CPU without being redone.
What are you not getting about that............ No Backwards compatibility.


Whats the big deal with backwards compatibility anyway, its not that big of a deal. When PS3 came out I still had my PS2 and still used it, you had to buy some silly adapter to get your PS2 memory cards to save onto your ps3. I didnt bother & my ps2 stayed right where it was next to my ps3.
 
I never get the backwards compatibility arguments, are people seriously lacking household space that they can't put an extra console (a slim PS2 at that) under their TV?

Need to play old PS2 games? Go and pick up an new PS2 for like $50. Wanted BC on your PS3? Well maybe you should have bought it at the start and paid the extra for feature. Still not happy? well re-buy titles through the PSN store or HD collection packs.

There are really no excuses because solving the problem is pretty easy.
 
Robin.
I never get the backwards compatibility arguments, are people seriously lacking household space that they can't put an extra console (a slim PS2 at that) under their TV?

Need to play old PS2 games? Go and pick up an new PS2 for like $50. Wanted BC on your PS3? Well maybe you should have bought it at the start and paid the extra for feature. Still not happy? well re-buy titles through the PSN store or HD collection packs.

There are really no excuses because solving the problem is pretty easy.
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Again, it's convenience. Yes I can set up 4 different consoles in front of my TV but it would be much more convenient just to have one. It's the reason hardware is constantly getting combined and 'built in', for our convenience. Why have a DVD player under the TV when you can have one built into the TV itself? Why have a DVD player and Blu Ray player when you can have one unit that does both?
 
SimonK
Again, it's convenience. Yes I can set up 4 different consoles in front of my TV but it would be much more convenient just to have one. It's the reason hardware is constantly getting combined and 'built in', for our convenience. Why have a DVD player under the TV when you can have one built into the TV itself? Why have a DVD player and Blu Ray player when you can have one unit that does both?
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I understand the convenience although I have never found it hard to just turn on another console but there is a limit to how far back your 'all in one' devices can go.

You don't see Cinefilm Laserdisc VCR DVD combi players for example! VCR DVD ones are getting rare now and now there are Blu Ray DVD combi's and eventually DVD will be dropped. My point is the inclusion of the previous technology always has to die at some point and Sony already gave people the chance to own a BC PS3 with the 60GB.

Also the more stuff one thing does it usually either doesn't do it as well as the standalone device did or its more likely to break because there's more going on inside it.
 
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Plus it's better to offer them as a Download service later on. They get more of your cash.
 
bermudakid
You still are not getting the point that it will be impossible because of the hardware........

PS4 will not have the PS3's CELL Cpu, Therefore any games that have been coded to work with the CELL will not run on another CPU without being redone.
What are you not getting about that............ No Backwards compatibility.


Whats the big deal with backwards compatibility anyway, its not that big of a deal. When PS3 came out I still had my PS2 and still used it, you had to buy some silly adapter to get your PS2 memory cards to save onto your ps3. I didnt bother & my ps2 stayed right where it was next to my ps3.
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Where is the OFFICIAL information about the PS4 specification?

The only things I've seen are rumours and nothing is official yet.
 
Tired Tyres
Where is the OFFICIAL information about the PS4 specification?

The only things I've seen are rumours and nothing is official yet.
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Doesn't mean you cannot logically reason that the architecture will not allow it.

The cell processor would have to be included in the PS4 along with whatever AMD processor they are supposedly using.

Google the price of CPU's. Do two of those plus a GPU, plus all the other components fall in the price range of a console?

The only other viable alternative is software emulation. Quite frankly, I do not see this happening.

How is that backwards compatibility on the PS3?
 
Again, supposed to be. No facts at all. NOTHING is official.

By the way if you think the price you or I pay for components has got anything to do with the price a major company like Sony gets with its mass purchase ordering then you have a lot to learn about business.
 
Robin.
Need to play old PS2 games? Go and pick up an new PS2 for like $50. Wanted BC on your PS3? Well maybe you should have bought it at the start and paid the extra for feature. Still not happy? well re-buy titles through the PSN store or HD collection packs.
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OK, I'll pick up a a new PS2. Wait a minute, there's no space since I already have an Xbox and PS3 linked up to my TV.

Of course, why didn't I buy one at the start when they were hugely expensive.I should've known they were going to suddenly cut backwards compatibility, and should've magicked enough money to buy one out of thin air.

OK, I'll go and buy GTA: Vice City, GT4 and Need for Speed Underground 2 from PSN. There's only one problem... They aren't on PSN.

See, none of those solutions really work in my case...
 
Tired Tyres
Again, supposed to be. No facts at all. NOTHING is official.

By the way if you think the price you or I pay for components has got anything to do with the price a major company like Sony gets with its mass purchase ordering then you have a lot to learn about business.
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In that case we shouldn't even have this thread open because a PS4 hasn't even been officially announced... Oh wait it's a discussion thread. Since you want backwards compatibility you throw out the "it's not official" card.

Regardless, no one said "officially" there would be backwards compatibility one way or the other.

You don't say... Say buying in bulk means lower prices? This sounds familiar... No, that's a myth.
 

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