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[sems4arsenal]

It will probably get leaked before the 20th ,almost everything gets leaked these days.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Oh I see.

Well, I read talks about WSJ, but I didn't see any links similar to mine. I personally don't go back any more than 7 pages. The one I linked to is also dated for today, not yesterday.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/31/3939410/wsj-playstation-orbis-ps4-will-arrive-later-in-2013

WSJ says PS4 reveal on the 20th; sale later this year.

Not like it really matters; the same thing gets posted over and over and over here anyway.

 

[sdf]

I have a very good reason to call this major league BS, and tbh i think that the source is pretty reliable.....

Mr.Kazuo Hirai (Sony's CEO) in an interview with British Times (just 11 days ago) when he was asked about the PS4, he said:

Quote:
"Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"

-Murad Ahmed Technology Reporter
-Published at 12:01AM, January 21 2013

Source:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/technology/article3662981.ece

You have to be registered to view the full article but google is your friend.

 

[paskowitz]

They may not release the hardware specs. We are probably going to get an overview of the features of the system, a look at the controller and then lots of software and tech demos. I would not be surprised if we get no price, no HW specs and no release date.

 

[freshseth83]

Future of Playstation is more than just PS4. I expect developments in phones and tablets with possible PSN connections. Kaz is streamlining Sony in every area to 'communicate' with each other. That means Sony pictures, Sony electronics, Sony computer entertainment. I wonder what's in store.

 

[gtone339]

gt6 ps4 confirmed.

Out in 2020!!

Yeah NaughtyDog's next masterpiece for the next Gen could either be Uncharted 4 or....

 

[Scaff]

I have a very good reason to call this major league BS, and tbh i think that the source is pretty reliable.....

Mr.Kazuo Hirai (Sony's CEO) in an interview with British Times (just 11 days ago) when he was asked about the PS4, he said:

Quote:
"Why go first, when your competitors can look at your specifications and come up with something better?"

-Murad Ahmed Technology Reporter
-Published at 12:01AM, January 21 2013

Source:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/technology/article3662981.ece


You have to be registered to view the full article but google is your friend.

To be honest I pretty much treated that as a throw away comment by him, as even if Sony were to detail the entire spec of the PS4 to the world tomorrow that would not give MS (or any other potential competitor) an advantage.

If MS are to launch within the same rough timescale as the PS4 then they have the machines spec locked down and ready to go (to be honest for a 2013 launch both will have to be in the first stages of starting commercial builds), not to mention that dev kits are out and titles well into development.

Kazuo Hirai statement was simply (to my mind) just a little more interesting than saying 'no comment' or 'wait and see'.

Oh and more fuel for the rumor fire...

Sony's highly anticipated successor to the PS3 is set to launch later this year in Japan and North America, but not reach Europe until early next year, according a report by Edge.

The report attributes the delay to "complexities involved in European distribution." This wouldn't be the first time this happened as the PS3 launched in November 2006 in Japan and North America, but didn't reach Europe until the following March.

Sources also indicate that the PS4 will ship with a redesigned controller similar to the DualShock 3, only with a small touchpad in the center where the Select, Start and PS buttons currently reside. The touchpad will be based on the same technology as the one on the back of the Vita.

Another new feature of the controller is a "Share" button that will allow players to snap screenshots and record video to distribute online. Evidently, the console will continually record the most recent 15 seconds of footage, which players will then be able to edit or upload online. Sources claim it can capture all this footage with no processing penalty.

While Orbis only has 4GB of GDDR5 RAM - compared to Durango devkits' 8GB DDR3 RAM - Sony noted that it's pushing for the final console to bump it up to 8GB. However, GDDR5 is quite snazzy and capable of moving data at 176 gigabytes per second, which should negate the sort of performance issues the PS3 suffered from. Our tech expert (texpert?) at Digital Foundry, Richard Leadbetter, was skeptical of these claims. "There has never been a system with 8GB GDDR5, ever. I think this is just wishful thinking," he noted [Update: Nvidia's $3,200 Tesla "super computer" dual GPU card is an exception but even this is essential two 'systems', each interfaced with 4GB of GDDR5].

Source - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-but-not-reach-europe-until-early-2014-report

 

[Jump_Ace]

I can see this going two ways when they 'see the future'. Either it's a good amount of info about the ps4 (specs, release date?, features, etc.), or just a slideshow of some games that may or may not be launch titles.

I personally am expecting option 2, that way they create some buzz on what titles are coming soon while at the same time confirming a ps4 is coming, but leave the ps4 specs in a cloud of mystery until E3 too *eyeroll*

Jerome

 

[Scaff]

I can see this going two ways when they 'see the future'. Either it's a good amount of info about the ps4 (specs, release date?, features, etc.), or just a slideshow of some games that may or may not be launch titles. I personally am expecting option 2, that way they create some buzz on what titles are coming soon while at the same time confirming a ps4 is coming, but leave that in a cloud of mystery until E3 too *eyeroll*

Jerome

Most pieces I've read seem to believe it will be the other way around. Trickle out info on the PS4 over the next few months and then roll out the games at E3. Either way its going to be an interesting year or so in that regard, as the last two (PS2 and PS3) were easy first buys for me over the XBOX of the day, thsi time around its not quite so cut and dried. They both have to fight to convince me who gets my initial wad of cash.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Most pieces I've read seem to believe it will be the other way around. Trickle out info on the PS4 over the next few months and then roll out the games at E3. Either way its going to be an interesting year or so in that regard, as the last two (PS2 and PS3) were easy first buys for me over the XBOX of the day, thsi time around its not quite so cut and dried. They both have to fight to convince me who gets my initial wad of cash.

I hope it's option 1 too. Most of my 'offline' friends I've met are on the Xbox, but if by some Holy miracle GT6 is a launch title, I'll be getting a PS4 first.

Jerome

 

[Scaff]

I hope it's option 1 too. Most of my 'offline' friends I've met are on the Xbox, but if by some Holy miracle GT6 is a launch title, I'll be getting a PS4 first.

Jerome

I think that may be wishful thinking, but for me they are going to have to demonstrate that GT6 isn't just GT5 in a pretty frock as well. They actually have a better bet with me if they build on the multi-media side of things for me. My PS3 gets as much use for that as it does as a games platform (and its the one area it still gets a solid nod over my 360 on as well).

 

[sdf]

To be honest I pretty much treated that as a throw away comment by him, as even if Sony were to detail the entire spec of the PS4 to the world tomorrow that would not give MS (or any other potential competitor) an advantage.

If MS are to launch within the same rough timescale as the PS4 then they have the machines spec locked down and ready to go (to be honest for a 2013 launch both will have to be in the first stages of starting commercial builds), not to mention that dev kits are out and titles well into development.

In my opinion when Hirai says "spec's" apart from the hardware spec's he means the features or new features too.
About SDK's (and console specs too), SDK's and Spec's can change in a flash.
PS Vita started different and PS3 too.
The 1st PS3 that was demonstrated by sony, had 2xHDMI, 6xusb (4xFront + 2xBack), 2xoptical, 2xLan and more ram (cant recall the amount)...and of course with the slik banana controllers and in multiple colors....back then also there were roumers that SDK's are in the hand's of dev's, but they were not.

About games being under development...Simple example why studios dont need SDK's to develop a game.
If PS4 will be released in 2013 (or early 2014) that means... that there is not 1 chance in a billion that GT6 will come to PS3...
Now... by Kaz's sayings GT6 is in development 2+ years now.
So either kaz was/is lying or the argument is just wrong.

Kazuo Hirai statement was simply (to my mind) just a little more interesting than saying 'no comment' or 'wait and see'.

Can't agree more with that.

Oh and more fuel for the rumor fire...
Source - http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-but-not-reach-europe-until-early-2014-report

I really don't believe that PS4 SDK are in the hands of Dev's, 2 reasons.
One reason is... (and as i mentioned PS-Vita earlier)... When PS-Vita dev kits actually have been delivered in Game Dev Studios, everything gone mad, we had official statements from studios, and by far more info about what is under the hood... but on PS4 all that (by rumors) know is PS4's Ram and that maybe it has AMD CPU with integrated GPU...and that is the second reason why i don't believe those rumors.
I may be horrible wrong but i find this (AMD CPU) as a big joke.
Sony+IBM are manufacturing CPU's, the latest Nintendo Console Wii U also has a Sony/IBM CPU.
and on the other hand if PS4 indeed gets a completely different CPU that means that PS3 games wont be playable to PS4... and its not the same thing as it was (or is) with PS2 games to PS3, cause now PSStore gets in the way.
What they will do? upload to store or release to disc's remastered versions of PS3 games? Or re-remastered PS2 HD-Collections... it doesn't makes sense.
(and i am guessing that PS-Home will need some fixing)

My point is that all this rumors have huge black holes from every point of view and are not to be taken seriously (history has proved this also) and by the way...this is not the first time that sony has made a big fuzz around an event and it turned out to be just a minor thing.

Anyway.... the only way that all this can be true, is that either Sony is getting ready to screw us up really good this time, or Sony + AMD are willing to work their a$$ off to make all this possible.

 

[gtone339]

Sources reveal new PS4 features?

link: http://vr-zone.com/articles/sources-reveal-new-ps4-features-/18858.html

PS4 Touchpad controller concept:

What do you guys think?

 

[Patrick]

The touch screen doesn't seem necessary to me.

 

[Tornado]

You know, as awesome as a cooling/heating controller would be (that's actually something that I expect could be implemented awesomely if it could be controlled by games rather than just a comfort thing), how much of that is actually going to add something besides $30 to the cost of controller?

 

[Imari]

I may be being silly, but how would cold filaments work exactly? Hot ones are easy, obviously. But cold? You can't have refrigerating coils like a fridge or air con, and you can't use chemical means because they'll be exhausted in the first day.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but I don't see a cold controller being feasible. That's at best a concept that someone threw around when they were at the brainstorming stage that later turned out to be unworkable.

 

[Tesla]

Didn't that rumour state that the hand grips would use biometrics? Heart rate monitors would be great for FPS and thriller games in my opinion, and I doubt they'd be too costly either.

EDIT: No physical start/select button. 👎

 

[thelvynau]

Sources reveal new PS4 features?

link: http://vr-zone.com/articles/sources-reveal-new-ps4-features-/18858.html

PS4 Touchpad controller concept:

What do you guys think?

Interesting looking.

 

[hardvibes]

You know, as awesome as a cooling/heating controller would be (that's actually something that I expect could be implemented awesomely if it could be controlled by games rather than just a comfort thing), how much of that is actually going to add something besides $30 to the cost of controller?

That, plus battery life

 

[Samus]

Looks fan made to me.

 

[PAPPACLART]

If they do change the Analog sticks for the PS4 Controller I hope that they are shorter and actually offer up resistance akka a kind of force feedback.

 

[thelvynau]

Looks fan made to me.

Your right it doesn't look like it's official.

 

[iRevelationz]

Whether that concept is true or not, I really hope the final result features concave analog sticks. I personally think the Xbox controller is superior in this regard, having a "crater" of sorts to rest your thumbs in. The convex, mushroom-like analogs on the PS controller doesn't do it for me.

 

[Luminis]

The placement of the analogue sticks is more important, in my opinion. I really can't fathom why Sony would keep the D-Pad in primary resting place of your left thumb. That's where the analogue stick should be - as most people are using these to paly their games nowadays.

Sony and Nintendo already changed that during the last generation and for good reason, of you're asking me. But that "concept" looks pretty fake, anyways.

 

[Wardez]

You know, as awesome as a cooling/heating controller would be (that's actually something that I expect could be implemented awesomely if it could be controlled by games rather than just a comfort thing), how much of that is actually going to add something besides $30 to the cost of controller?

Well right now they've been replacing broken Wii U gamepads for ~$80 and in Japan they plan on selling standalone spare Wii U gamepads for ~$160 USD... so yeah, it's gonna suck.

But hey! Why would you need extra controllers when your friends could just buy their own consoles and play with you from their houses!? HAHAHAHAHAH AMIRITE?!


D:

 

[Robin]

I may be being silly, but how would cold filaments work exactly? Hot ones are easy, obviously. But cold? You can't have refrigerating coils like a fridge or air con, and you can't use chemical means because they'll be exhausted in the first day.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but I don't see a cold controller being feasible. That's at best a concept that someone threw around when they were at the brainstorming stage that later turned out to be unworkable.

It would probably work using pelter cooling which doesn’t require any chemicals or piping, it just uses electricity. Although its a nice idea it would be impractical because of the expense and power draw.

The more I think about this event the more I'm thinking its going to just be the announcement DUST 514 going gold and basically the biggest anticlimax ever

 

[gtone339]

Looks fan made to me.

Yes, just a fan made concept.

 

[Samus]

It would probably work using pelter cooling which doesn’t require any chemicals or piping, it just uses electricity. Although its a nice idea it would be impractical because of the expense and power draw.

The more I think about this event the more I'm thinking its going to just be the announcement DUST 514 going gold and basically the biggest anticlimax ever

Sony know fully well that in announcing this event with a vague tagline the world is going to assume it's for PS4. They would therefore be laughed at if it's for anything else and the world is going to be disappointed and/or annoyed.The hype for the event is building up for PS4 and Sony knew that would happen. What i'm getting at is if this was for anything other than PS4 Sony would have made it clear to avoid huge disappointment and said anti climax.

 

[dice1998]

Going with the idea that it is indeed the PS4/Orbis that'll be announced:

I'm kind of curious on why there was a sudden announcement. Kaz *did* say that he wanted Microsoft to make the first move. Throw away comment or not, was he trying to catch Microsoft off guard or did something happen behind the scenes that forced Kaz to play the PS4/Orbis card?

 

[Robin]

Sony know fully well that in announcing this event with a vague tagline the world is going to assume it's for PS4. They would therefore be laughed at if it's for anything else and the world is going to be disappointed and/or annoyed.The hype for the event is building up for PS4 and Sony knew that would happen. What i'm getting at is if this was for anything other than PS4 Sony would have made it clear to avoid huge disappointment and said anti climax.

You would think they would be smart enough to see that but there have been many instances in the past were all sorts of companies have had vague campaigns / trailers to stir hype and then gone on to announce something totally anticlimactic. Apple have done it, Facebook recently did it and even Sony did it with the Xperia Play and PSP Go.

But sure, I would love it to be the PS4 as much as anyone else.