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It's obviously a hint towards a PS4 release date, their getting it in before MS. Which, IMO, they really do need to do this time. I have been saying it for months now, we will have the PS4 (or whatever they decide to name it) in our homes by Xmas this year, maybe even before that.

It's no secret that Sony lost out on a lot of sales due to their waiting to release the PS3. You can bet your last quid they won't do it again. I just hope that they don't "rush" it's release too much and give us a half finished product.

On the price, I think that people might be very surprised at the cost. I'm gonna put my-self on the line and say that the next gen console's won't be more than £400. However I do think that the games will have a bit of a mark up. Just my opinion, don't jump on me for it.

Also, did you know that Sony have bought a cloud based server company called Gaikai? So were obviously going to have cloud based servers for the next gen. That could hint towards no hard media, again just my opinion, but you can be sure that we are going to have a better online experience.

But now it has cost Sony £380 million to buy this company, I do think that we will have to pay or our online. Which I would prefer.
 
nealcropper
It's obviously a hint towards a PS4 release date, their getting it in before MS. Which, IMO, they really do need to do this time. I have been saying it for months now, we will have the PS4 (or whatever they decide to name it) in our homes by Xmas this year, maybe even before that.

It's no secret that Sony lost out on a lot of sales due to their waiting to release the PS3. You can bet your last quid they won't do it again. I just hope that they don't "rush" it's release too much and give us a half finished product.
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They have to find the balance between being Dreamcast early and 360 early because we all know what happened there! I agree though, they need to be in first this time.
 
dice1998
Going with the idea that it is indeed the PS4/Orbis that'll be announced:

I'm kind of curious on why there was a sudden announcement. Kaz *did* say that he wanted Microsoft to make the first move. Throw away comment or not, was he trying to catch Microsoft off guard or did something happen behind the scenes that forced Kaz to play the PS4/Orbis card?
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Well this is likely to be only a preliminary reveal to say that the PS4 officially exists. They may still let MS go first in terms of revealing the specs and actually releasing it.
 
SimonK
Well this is likely to be only a preliminary reveal to say that the PS4 officially exists. They may still let MS go first in terms of revealing the specs and actually releasing it.
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I don't think they will "let" them go first, it may be forced. As in they might not be ready. I wouldn't mind it if they released a month or two after the next box, but any more than that and it's going to be detrimental for them. I fear if they do what they did with the PS3, this could be the last we see of the Playstation brand. I hope not.
 
nealcropper
It's obviously a hint towards a PS4 release date, their getting it in before MS. Which, IMO, they really do need to do this time. I have been saying it for months now, we will have the PS4 (or whatever they decide to name it) in our homes by Xmas this year, maybe even before that.

It's no secret that Sony lost out on a lot of sales due to their waiting to release the PS3. You can bet your last quid they won't do it again. I just hope that they don't "rush" it's release too much and give us a half finished product.

On the price, I think that people might be very surprised at the cost. I'm gonna put my-self on the line and say that the next gen console's won't be more than £400. However I do think that the games will have a bit of a mark up. Just my opinion, don't jump on me for it.

Also, did you know that Sony have bought a cloud based server company called Gaikai? So were obviously going to have cloud based servers for the next gen. That could hint towards no hard media, again just my opinion, but you can be sure that we are going to have a better online experience.

But now it has cost Sony £380 million to buy this company, I do think that we will have to pay or our online. Which I would prefer.
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The cloud business might not be ready for the ps4. Besides Sony knows that everyone doesn't have a ripper of a net connection.
 
thelvynau
The cloud business might not be ready for the ps4. Besides Sony knows that everyone doesn't have a ripper of a net connection.
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If not for the PS4, then what have they just spent £380 million for? It's for the PS4.

Also your right, not everyone has a good connection, so my guess is, that the people who do have a good connection, will have the choice of either sticking with the method of gaming that we currently have, which IMO isn't good enough for the next gen, or, paying monthly (or annually) for a cloud based server.

If the cloud based server option is taken, then they could almost release another console alongside another. For instance, if you don't want cloud based gaming, you buy a system that isn't so far from the PS3, just with major upgrades to the specs. If you choose cloud based, you could, in theory, buy a system that doesn't accept hard media, and sell that system for much less, lets say £100, but you would have a monthly fee of, lets say £30. All the games would be stored on a cloud based server and would automatically update without user intervention. There are obviously massive plus' to having no hard media. There is the longevity of the games, they would last forever, as opposed to disk's. They could cost a lot less, although I'm sure this wont happen.

This theory isn't as mad as it seems. Steam does pretty well off it and they don't provide a system to access their content off of.

I could be way off, but this seem's like a properly good idea to me. But, rose tinted glasses, an all that.
 
nealcropper
If not for the PS4, then what have they just spent £380 million for? It's for the PS4.

Also your right, not everyone has a good connection, so my guess is, that the people who do have a good connection, will have the choice of either sticking with the method of gaming that we currently have, which IMO isn't good enough for the next gen, or, paying monthly (or annually) for a cloud based server.

If the cloud based server option is taken, then they could almost release another console alongside another. For instance, if you don't want cloud based gaming, you buy a system that isn't so far from the PS3, just with major upgrades to the specs. If you choose cloud based, you could, in theory, buy a system that doesn't accept hard media, and sell that system for much less, lets say £100, but you would have a monthly fee of, lets say £30. All the games would be stored on a cloud based server and would automatically update without user intervention. There are obviously massive plus' to having no hard media. There is the longevity of the games, they would last forever, as opposed to disk's. They could cost a lot less, although I'm sure this wont happen.

This theory isn't as mad as it seems. Steam does pretty well off it and they don't provide a system to access their content off of.

I could be way off, but this seem's like a properly good idea to me. But, rose tinted glasses, an all that.
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It's possible I guess plausible? Maybe not but the difference between cloud gaming and steam is steam you download the game when with cloud your playing it direct.

I just don't see that happening with the ps4.
 
thelvynau
the difference between cloud gaming and steam is steam you download the game when with cloud your playing it direct.
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Exactly, it's a much better way of doing things. There's no need for a massive HDD. Just big enough for save files, and user data. But that said, even that could be stored online.

If it were to happen I, for one, would go with the no hard media approach, dependant on the price of course.
 
nealcropper
Exactly, it's a much better way of doing things. There's no need for a massive HDD. Just big enough for save files, and user data. But that said, even that could be stored online.

If it were to happen I, for one, would go with the no hard media approach, dependant on the price of course.
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Agreed but Sony knows a lot of countries broadband wouldn't be up for the task I agree they look like they are going in that direction I just don't see it for ps4.
 
So what happens when you're not connected to the net, or when you stop paying your fee, or when the network goes down? What happens if you get hacked? You're screwed, no games.

I'll always prefer hard copies of anything (games, music, movies) because that means I have the content I bought a license for on a disc. It's not going anywhere and I can play it anywhere I like, nobody is taking it away from me or restricting me from using it. Cloud based gaming might have some positives but it's far outweighed by the negatives for me.

So why don't you think the current methods (ie BR discs) are good enough for next-gen? It's not like games in the cloud are going to be larger than 50GB.
 
I never said that BR wasn't good enough, only the way of playing the games online. Even you Simon have to admit that the online section of any game is shocking. I can't remember the last time I went online in GT5 or CoD, and had a connection issueless time.

Sony would be foolish not to use this new acquisition to its fullest potential.

As for being hacked, how many times has your PS3 user data been accessed by forceful means? Not by simply giving out your e-mail and password, but by someone forcefully getting into your system and locking you out.

Also, how many times have you been unable to access the PSN for an extended period of time? Once. In the 7 years that its been up, it was off once. That's not bad going, and if we paid for it, presumably the security would've even better, so that instance may never have happened.

If they sold the cloud based systems with a 500gb HDD and gave you the option to "back-up" you cloud to you HDD, that would negate all of what you just said.
 
I already have to pay 350 pounds of my own currency for a dual shock controller,and I think 350 is too expensive.I know they have to innovate but that doesn't mean the controller has to cost massive amounts of money.
 
nealcropper
I never said that BR wasn't good enough, only the way of playing the games online. Even you Simon have to admit that the online section of any game is shocking. I can't remember the last time I went online in GT5 or CoD, and had a connection issueless time.
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I'm failing to see how a streaming solution would be any better. You still need to make a connection to the game in the cloud, using the same connection you do now, then make P2P connections through the cloud to other gamers. It's open to exactly the same issues we have now.

Sony would be foolish not to use this new acquisition to its fullest potential.
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I'm not saying they're not going to use the system but it's not going to replace the traditional disc setup anytime soon.

As for being hacked, how many times has your PS3 user data been accessed by forceful means? Not by simply giving out your e-mail and password, but by someone forcefully getting into your system and locking you out.
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Never but that's the current system, how do you know there won't be loopholes and issues in a new cloud system? You don't.

Also, how many times have you been unable to access the PSN for an extended period of time? Once. In the 7 years that its been up, it was off once. That's not bad going, and if we paid for it, presumably the security would've even better, so that instance may never have happened.
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An extended period of time only once indeed but plenty of times it's been off for a few hours or a couple of days, only earlier this month in fact. Yes it's not a long amount of time but what happens if you REALLY want to play the newest game, you can't, you have to wait. With a disc you can play it 24/7, any time you like, at least the offline part of the game. With the cloud offline you couldn't play any games at all.

If they sold the cloud based systems with a 500gb HDD and gave you the option to "back-up" you cloud to you HDD, that would negate all of what you just said.
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Yes it would but then that's just the same as current systems with digital purchases, you were trying to promote online cloud gaming being better than current systems. Even so with that you have the small risk of data corruption on the hard drive, a family member deleting a game, the current problem of slow downloads? None of that with a disc.

You're not going to convince me digital downloads and the cloud are better than discs, sorry.
 
nealcropper
I never said that BR wasn't good enough, only the way of playing the games online. Even you Simon have to admit that the online section of any game is shocking. I can't remember the last time I went online in GT5 or CoD, and had a connection issueless time.

Sony would be foolish not to use this new acquisition to its fullest potential.

As for being hacked, how many times has your PS3 user data been accessed by forceful means? Not by simply giving out your e-mail and password, but by someone forcefully getting into your system and locking you out.

Also, how many times have you been unable to access the PSN for an extended period of time? Once. In the 7 years that its been up, it was off once. That's not bad going, and if we paid for it, presumably the security would've even better, so that instance may never have happened.
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None of these things are things that having a cloud system for games would improve or even change. A couple of them would be a lot worse the way you presented them, in fact.

Example: When PSN went down before, you at least had access to most of your games for single player (other than the handful that wouldn't let you, like GT5:P). PSN goes down on a cloud service, you don't play anything.

Luminis
The placement of the analogue sticks is more important, in my opinion. I really can't fathom why Sony would keep the D-Pad in primary resting place of your left thumb.
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Because the 360 location isn't an inherently better one.
 
Toronado
None of these things are things that having a cloud system for games would improve or even change. A couple of them would be a lot worse the way you presented them, in fact.
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I never said I was an expert on these maters, far from it. I don't know how cloud based servers work. But I do know buissness, and Sony, a company that is losing money hand over fist, wouldn't shell out £380 million on a company that didn't deliver a better service than their existing one. If its not going to be better, then what's the point?
Toronado
Example: When PSN went down before, you at least had access to most of your games for single player (other than the handful that wouldn't let you, like GT5:P). PSN goes down on a cloud service, you don't play anything.
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Obviously Sony would have thought of this, and taken measures to make sure that you could access games, if only the single player section. I'm just a guy on a forum, throwing out some feasible options.

The video game industry has been leading to digital media for quite some time now, and if not this generation, the next, IMO, will be digital download only.

Of course there will be people who are dubious about it, and you will even have people who say" if that's how it is, then I'm not going to buy a next gen console". But people will get used to it, and so it will be adopted as the norm. Just as the transition from tape to cartridge, then to CD and then to HDDVD then to BR.

Also on the note of the controller. I like the DS3, and I hope they keep it as is.
 
AleksandarSRB
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Cloud servers could be used to back up and save trophies for example etc.

Replacing the actual disk is unimaginable ,we countries with slow internet are supposed to do what no exactly?
 
There are no measures that can be done to get around it. Streaming games off of a centralized server is how cloud gaming works Otherwise, it isn't cloud gaming by definition. If that server system goes down (which if a repeat of the PSN attacks happen they would), you don't have access to the games anymore than you have access to a web page if the server for it goes down.
 
Toronado
There are no measures that can be done to get around it. Streaming games off of a centralized server is how cloud gaming works Otherwise, it isn't cloud gaming by definition. If that server system goes down (which if a repeat of the PSN attacks happen they would), you don't have access to the games anymore than you have access to a web page if the server for it goes down.
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I know that, but how often would that happen? Presumably it would happen less if we were to pay for the service, for the upkeep and the security. Like I said, I don't know an awful lot about it, I can just see that that is where the industry is headed.

Also with Sony and MS wanting to put an end to pre-owned gaming, the digital download would help them out there as well.

There has also been developments in the cloud based gaming sector. CiiNOW claims to have come up with a means of streaming for people with lower bandwidth. Called hybrid streaming. I also know nothing about this, but it just goes to show that cloud based gaming is going to be massive. I for one am looking forward to see what GaiKai can do with it to help Sony out and perhaps, at last, give them the edge.
 
Toronado
Because the 360 location isn't an inherently better one.
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Well, the Dreamcast placed the analogue stick on the top left, the Gamecube did, the original Xbox did, the 360 did. I think Sony's the only one not doing that (yet). And they should. The Dual Shock's design is still based on a controller that had no analogue sticks at all and used the D-Pad as the primary input method.

So, yeah, if one's used to it, the difference wouldn't be noticable right away, I assume. But I'd be hard pressed to think of a sort of hand that spreads its thumb downwards as a natural resting position... And I suppose that this very thought process actually crossed Nintendo's mind, Microsoft's mind and, yes, Sony's mind - back when the first PS1 controller was designed.

Now, though, it seems like they're too hung up on their iconic design (which is about as iconic as it gets for controllers) to change the layout to a more ergonomic one. Granted, it's not like that's a deal breaker or anything, given the amount of aftermarket gamepads one can get ahold of. However, I still think it's a bit strange to not just move away from a design that was conceived with a different control scheme in mind - and almost twenty years ago.
 
nealcropper
I know that, but how often would that happen? Presumably it would happen less if we were to pay for the service, .
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It's foolish to think like that. Paying for a service over a free one in no way means inherintly better security, netcode and servers.
 
SimonK
It's foolish to think like that. Paying for a service over a free one in no way means inherintly better security, netcode and servers.
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It isn't foolish at all. Xbox live is better than PSN. Why? Because the money is there to pay for
 

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