Political Correctness

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Is a think tank anything like a smart bomb?


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Or is this a think tank?

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Probably more like a buzz bomb, or at the very least a buzzkill.

If you're going to monitor extremists, it's probably not a good idea to outsource the job to the far-right or you may Nazi some attacks coming.
 
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The funny part is that people are screengrabbing it and posting it anyway, despite the self-censorship. Getting the words literally put online isn't the issue, what they want is no consequences.
Why do I get the feeling the only reason Gab had a Twitter account is so they could end up deleting it in a display of performative flouncery following some suitably outrageous stunt?
 
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Said it before, these folks are going to be the downfall of their own religion & they have no idea. Religion, maybe specifically Christianity, will see more people walking away/rejecting it the more these loonies make themselves the most vocal representation.
 
Said it before, these folks are going to be the downfall of their own religion & they have no idea. Religion, maybe specifically Christianity, will see more people walking away/rejecting it the more these loonies make themselves the most vocal representation.
Awwwww maaaann...that decline is going to figure prominently in their grievance narratives, isn't it?

Edit: "Something something genocide something something."
 
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Said it before, these folks are going to be the downfall of their own religion & they have no idea. Religion, maybe specifically Christianity, will see more people walking away/rejecting it the more these loonies make themselves the most vocal representation.
Neon Exodus Evangelicalon.
 
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Awwwww maaaann...that decline is going to figure prominently in their grievance narratives, isn't it?

Edit: "Something something genocide something something."
Most definitely.

"More people are walking away from Christ?! Can't be our constant portrayal that the Christian conservative cis-gender white male is at threat of extinction. Gotta be those damn liberal college professors."
 
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Said it before, these folks are going to be the downfall of their own religion & they have no idea. Religion, maybe specifically Christianity, will see more people walking away/rejecting it the more these loonies make themselves the most vocal representation.
Most definitely.

"More people are walking away from Christ?! Can't be our constant portrayal that the Christian conservative cis-gender white male is at threat of extinction. Gotta be those damn liberal college professors."
Terrible people like said folks has certainly played a part in my distancing from Christianity. I have been surrounded by vocal, victimhood seeking "Christians" most of my life. I only say most of my life because they are all still around me being in Oklahoma, but I have not put myself in their presence willing very often over the last however many years.
 
I'm guessing there wasn't a rightwing thinktank ready to take up the cause.
What happened was an increase in focus on far-right extremists, according to an intelligence source speaking to the Telegraph.

In the past few years, particularly since the murder of the MP Jo Cox in 2016 by a white nationalist, much of its resources have been diverted from tracking Islamic fundamentalists to right-wing extremists. Last year, for example, 302 (43 per cent) of the cases adopted by Channel regarded right-wing radicalisation, while 210, or 30 per cent, concerned Islamism.

But “although some right-wing extremists are dangerous people and have been convicted of dangerous offences”, says the source, “by and large they are hoodlums. They do not present the same risk as Islamists by any distance, by a factor of four or five to one. Everyone was trying very hard to be politically correct and not Islamophobic. But the whole process has become unbalanced. More time has been spent than appropriate on right-wing extremism and not Islamism. There needs to be some honest appraisal about where the threat is actually coming from.”


The source could be wrong, sure, and far-right extremism does remain the fastest growing terror threat we face, but it isn't the largest, which is Islamist if you look at MI5 watchlists and prison data.

EDIT: There's more here if anyone's interested....


 
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Reading the non paywalled article in the Mail I get the impression that the source Acheson is a hawk who thinks there should be more hawks in the vetting process to lock up more Muslims and prevent murderers slipping through the net.

The political correctness he talks about sounds like a smoke screen to me to scapegoat schools and councillors for not being right wing enough to report more Muslims regardless of the Islamist status that he admits is more difficult for people to detect amongst the dark web communications used by conspirators.

The right wing press can then use the report as fuel for the fire under the idea that hand wringing lefties are deliberately letting Islamists off the hook rather than their sometimes misplaced compassion causing them to err on the side of caution more than would those members of the intelligence community he represents.

His description of the focus on right wingers as a comfort blanket makes it clear on which side his preference lies.
 
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Reading the non paywalled article in the Mail I get the impression that the source Acheson is a hawk who thinks there should be more hawks in the vetting process to lock up more Muslims and prevent murderers slipping through the net.

The political correctness he talks about sounds like a smoke screen to me to scapegoat schools and councillors for not being right wing enough to report more Muslims regardless of the Islamist status that he admits is more difficult for people to detect amongst the dark web communications used by conspirators.

The right wing press can then use the report as fuel for the fire under the idea that hand wringing lefties are deliberately letting Islamists off the hook rather than their sometimes misplaced compassion causing them to err on the side of caution more than would those members of the intelligence community he represents.

His description of the focus on right wingers as a comfort blanket makes it clear on which side his preference lies.
So I guess I'll ask the obvious question:

Would you want the panels as they are set up now to continue, or for them to adopt the review's likely recommendation?

Bear in mind this is only addressing the failings of Prevent, not how people are seemingly reticent to initially report potential Islamic extremists in the first place.
 
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So I guess I'll ask the obvious question:

Would you want the panels as they are set up now to continue, or for them to adopt the review's likely recommendation?
Of course they should accept his recommendation if it's likely to be mote effective in stopping terrorists from killing people.

Bear in mind this is only addressing the failings of Prevent, not how people are seemingly reticent to initially report potential Islamic extremists in the first place.
In other words the part which has to do with "political correctness".
 
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I think they were arguing it affects both the processes - referral and post referral.
I can understand why teachers wouldn't want to dob in their students to the security services without hard evidence that they were murderous extremists. Not sure whether that has much to do with PC though. He also talks of collusion between left wingers and Islamists to deliberately refuse to refer suspected extremists as part of some kind of conspiracy. That's a very serious accusation.
 
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I can understand why teachers wouldn't want to dob in their students to the security services without hard evidence that they were murderous extremists.
If that were the case wouldn't there be a simultaneous drop in non-Islamist referrals too?
 
If that were the case wouldn't there be a simultaneous drop in non-Islamist referrals too?
I didn't see the part where he was saying there was a drop so much as that not enough Muslims were being referred because some had slipped the net. In any case it seems to me more like a hardware problem rather than a software problem, ie related to organisation rather than wrong headed people due to PC.
 
I didn't see the part where he was saying there was a drop so much as that not enough Muslims were being referred because some had slipped the net. In any case it seems to me more like a hardware problem rather than a software problem, ie related to organisation rather than wrong headed people due to PC.
It's in one of the Mail articles in my original post on the topic:

Since 2015/16, there has been an 80% drop in the number of initial referrals over concerns of Islamic radicalisation and a steady increase in those concerning far-right beliefs.
 
Should these lesbians be labelled bigots?

Lesbians have spoken out and said they have at times felt pressured to have sex with trans women or coerced into accepting them as partners.

More than half of the 80 women who responded to a survey by campaigning group Get the L Out reported being pressured or coerced to accept a trans woman as a sexual partner.

Discussing more of her personal experiences, Lucy noted how she was banned from Hinge after she said she was only interested in people who were 'biologically female.'

She set up her profile to 'women seeking women', and found every third or fourth match was a trans-woman.

Lucy altered her profile to read: 'All I ask is that you be on time, don’t moan about me getting overly involved in Love Island and that you’re a biological female.'

After declaring her preference, she was then permanently banned from the app for ‘transphobia’.

'It was clear that a number of people had complained about my profile saying I was transphobic,' she said. 'You need to remember this is 2020. I'd been out of the closest since I was 16. When I was 16 I could happily say I'm a lesbian and same-sex attracted and that I'd only sleep with women.

'Now, I can't say that and if I do, I'm accused of being a bigot and a transphobe which just seems crazy to me that as a 43-year-old woman, I'm less safe now to say I'm same-sex attracted than I was when I was 16.'
 
How do dating apps treat racial preference?
We explored this in an earlier discussion. On a lot of apps you aren't allowed to filter potential matches based on ethnicity. There are however apps that cater for specific ethnicities although the one for having a preference for white people was mired in controversy and called racist.

People want what they want when it comes to romantic partners. You get to have preferences. If I put on a dating website that I'm not interested in men am I homophobic?
Again, from the earlier discussion it seemed like it was based on the reason you aren't interested in them - but then we were talking about straight men/women and their reason for not entertaining the idea of dating a transgender individual.

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From the headline of the other article:

Lesbians feel pressured into having sex with trans women over fears of being branded 'transphobic' while those who refuse face death threats, claim activists

I can't say for sure what the context is for her specific remark, but there does seem to be pretty serious consequences for some individuals.
 
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From the headline of the other article:

Lesbians feel pressured into having sex with trans women over fears of being branded 'transphobic' while those who refuse face death threats, claim activists

I can't say for sure what the context is for her specific remark, but there does seem to be pretty serious consequences for some individuals.
Weird that you take this from activists deathly serious but you call other activists hypocrites because they purportedly ignore other issues.

You're kind of a ****ing joke, aren't you?
 
We explored this in an earlier discussion. On a lot of apps you aren't allowed to filter potential matches based on ethnicity. There are however apps that cater for specific ethnicities although the one for having a preference for white people was mired in controversy and called racist.
Well it's up to the dating site of course. But I'd wager that you can filter on other personal appearance traits - like size, tattoos, etc. I find it counterproductive to pretend that people can't have preferences for potential romantic partners based on any and all physical attributes without being somehow bigoted. I'd expect dating sites to either figure that out, or have some difficulty in the market.
Again, from the earlier discussion it seemed like it was based on the reason you aren't interested in them - but then we were talking about straight men/women and their reason for not entertaining the idea of dating a transgender individual.
Ok, let's break it down again. You can be a bigot and not want to date a transgender person, or a person of the same sex, on that basis. For example, you can be a homophobic man, who is actually homosexual, and refuse to date men, despite being attracted to them, because you hate gay people (including yourself for being gay). Conversely, you can be completely devoid of bigotry and just not find certain traits attractive. So for example, I do think it is possible to lack any and all racism and not find white people attractive. Some people just love the way tan skin looks, or dark skin. And the opposite is true as well. No bigotry required.

Having a filter doesn't necessarily mean that you think it's impossible to get a match that is outside of that filter either. It doesn't necessarily mean "I could never be with someone who isn't inside this filter". It can just mean that you perceive that the chances are so low that you don't want to spend time on it.
 
Weird that you take this from activists deathly serious but you call other activists hypocrites because they purportedly ignore other issues.

You're kind of a ****ing joke, aren't you?
Ehhh....it's more that I expected too much of people and what I expected of them was also illogical. This is also true of how I saw the response to certain injustices.

Well it's up to the dating site of course. But I'd wager that you can filter on other personal appearance traits - like size, tattoos, etc. I find it counterproductive to pretend that people can't have preferences for potential romantic partners based on any and all physical attributes without being somehow bigoted. I'd expect dating sites to either figure that out, or have some difficulty in the market.
Which is why I thought it didn't make sense as to why the white preference dating app was branded racist.

Ok, let's break it down again. You can be a bigot and not want to date a transgender person, or a person of the same sex, on that basis. For example, you can be a homophobic man, who is actually homosexual, and refuse to date men, despite being attracted to them, because you hate gay people (including yourself for being gay). Conversely, you can be completely devoid of bigotry and just not find certain traits attractive. So for example, I do think it is possible to lack any and all racism and not find white people attractive. Some people just love the way tan skin looks, or dark skin. And the opposite is true as well. No bigotry required.

Having a filter doesn't necessarily mean that you think it's impossible to get a match that is outside of that filter either. It doesn't necessarily mean "I could never be with someone who isn't inside this filter". It can just mean that you perceive that the chances are so low that you don't want to spend time on it.
I think, from what I got from the article at least, is that quite a few lesbians have a genital preference, i.e. they don't like penises. This would mean, according to our discussion, they would be wrong to be labelled as transphobes, no?

EDIT: I can't seem to remember if we discussed it, but is wanting to date a "biological woman" a transphobic preference (as in, that's the sole reason)?
 
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Which is why I thought it didn't make sense as to why the white preference dating app was branded racist.
A white or light skinned filter is one thing. Telling people they can only sign up for the service if they have a certain skin color is something else. Imagine for a moment, a brothel that allows you to pick your uh... provider... based on skin color. Now imagine a brothel that says "whites only". That's the difference, and it's not insignificant.
I think, from what I got from the article at least, is that quite a few lesbians have a genital preference, i.e. they don't like penises. This would mean, according to our discussion, they would be wrong to be labelled as transphobes, no?
Well that's not actually the issue you posted. The issue you posted was (as I understood it), a lesbian that wanted more than just to be matched with people who lack penises, but who were also born female.
EDIT: I can't seem to remember if we discussed it, but is wanting to date a "biological woman" a transphobic preference (as in, that's the sole reason)?
It could be, but it's not a sufficient basis from which to draw that conclusion.
 
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