Poll: How many people may be ineligible?

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If you make it to the finals, what will make you inelegible or unable to procede?

  • I live outside the U.S., but have a NSTC disc and used a false address.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • I am not a citizen/resident of the united states, but I live here anyways.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Too old.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Too fat.

    Votes: 10 16.9%
  • My mom/girlfriend/wife wont let me.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Choate's mom/girlfriend/wife wont let me.

    Votes: 5 8.5%
  • I can't miss work.

    Votes: 3 5.1%
  • I can't miss school.

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • I am the stig.

    Votes: 19 32.2%
  • I don't care if I am eligible, I am not doing GTA because its morally wrong.

    Votes: 3 5.1%
  • Noone cares about your stupid academy.

    Votes: 13 22.0%

  • Total voters
    59
I guess there's some guy in one of the regions who is a professional racer. Has done the MX-5 Cup and some other things. I'll have to search for the posts about him...

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^^^ That guy.

Heres the thing about that. There are MANY levels of competition license, and the way its defined in the rules this guy very well may still qualify. The way the rules read it almost seems like you need a top level license (IE Nascar Cup/Truck/GN, ALMS or GA P1, IndyCar, or FIA Grade A or Superlicense) to be disqualified.
 
Heres the thing about that. There are MANY levels of competition license, and the way its defined in the rules this guy very well may still qualify. The way the rules read it almost seems like you need a top level license (IE Nascar Cup/Truck/GN, ALMS or GA P1, IndyCar, or FIA Grade A or Superlicense) to be disqualified.

I think that depends what a National MSA license matches up to in the US. A couple guys in my time trial club (COMSCC) have run national finals with SCCA (spec miata class). They had to get a national license, and per their read of the rules they deemed themselves ineligible.
 
I think that depends what a National MSA license matches up to in the US. A couple guys in my time trial club (COMSCC) have run national finals with SCCA (spec miata class). They had to get a national license, and per their read of the rules they deemed themselves ineligible.

I had (it expired) an IMSA license myself to run Star Mazda/Pro Formula Mazda, but based on how I understood the rules I didn't believe it would disqualify me. That said I didn't get far enough for it to matter. I guess it would be nice if they would clarify the US equivalent, or if they would just say any competition license is void. If you go to a Skip barber 3 day racing school and manage to not kill yourself or terrify the instructors they give you the equivalent of an SCCA national license (can be converted to SCCA basically with a letter from the school).
 
I had (it expired) an IMSA license myself to run Star Mazda/Pro Formula Mazda, but based on how I understood the rules I didn't believe it would disqualify me. That said I didn't get far enough for it to matter. I guess it would be nice if they would clarify the US equivalent, or if they would just say any competition license is void. If you go to a Skip barber 3 day racing school and manage to not kill yourself or terrify the instructors they give you the equivalent of an SCCA national license (can be converted to SCCA basically with a letter from the school).

That makes sense...they were probably just worried about getting smoked in the competition so they used it as an excuse:sly:. The hardcore miata guys love to mop up the time trials, and then claim they did it in a measly little miata...even though their track machines (formerly known as miatas) have way better power/weight than the 964, e36 m3, and certainly my 325i.
 
That makes sense...they were probably just worried about getting smoked in the competition so they used it as an excuse:sly:. The hardcore miata guys love to mop up the time trials, and then claim they did it in a measly little miata...even though their track machines (formerly known as miatas) have way better power/weight than the 964, e36 m3, and certainly my 325i.

LOL yeah I've seen that. They play David and Goliath with their "measly" Miata, meanwhile they are going up against cars with full interiors, street driven, etc. While their "Miata" has a plastic seat and a rollbar for an interior, Penske shocks, etc etc...
 
LOL yeah I've seen that. They play David and Goliath with their "measly" Miata, meanwhile they are going up against cars with full interiors, street driven, etc. While their "Miata" has a plastic seat and a rollbar for an interior, Penske shocks, etc etc...

...and 170whp, naturally aspirated (from a 1.8L)!
 
LOL yeah I've seen that. They play David and Goliath with their "measly" Miata, meanwhile they are going up against cars with full interiors, street driven, etc. While their "Miata" has a plastic seat and a rollbar for an interior, Penske shocks, etc etc...

I've seen Miata's beat up on more expensive cars, WITH an interior. No need to strip the car. ;)
 
As my dad would say it's not the arrow it's the Indian Hahahaha I have seen all sorts of slow cars take down giants, it all depends who's behind the wheel.
 
I've seen Miata's beat up on more expensive cars, WITH an interior. No need to strip the car. ;)

Me too...depends on the car/driver.👍

At a BMW HPDE event with the family (we are all crazy), I passed an F430 with r-compound tires in my 325i fitted with all-season street tires...but that doesn't mean anything because everyone knows Ferrari drivers are the worst drivers.:sly:

The more expensive the car, the worse the driver...
 
I consider Miata's to almost be cheating when put in restricted TT's vs heavier cars, everything usually favors the Miata. The car is small, nimble, can corner fast without losing momentum and they are easy to drive.

I know the guys you are talking about, but when you really think about it they are driving a really light perfect handling easy to drive car.
 
The more expensive the car, the worse the driver...

Some of my Lambo & Ferrari friends would mop the floor with your 325, nothing against you but just because that guy was slow does not mean all exotic owners can't drive. Several of them put themselves through racing school, and one guy I know who owns a GTS-R and some Lambo's even paid to drive a retired Formula 1 car, rich guys are no joke when it comes to racing haha
 
I haven't run NASA yet, so I don't know how well the miatas do in a points-based classification system. However, in the COMSCC club the classes are first determined then car, and then some amount of modifications: http://comscc.org/rules/rulebooks/rules2010-r06.pdf (page 13 for car classes).

So basically my stock 325i is running against NC generation miatas (600 fewer pounds, only 19 fewer HP)...wtf. 2 years ago a guy an a stock NC set an untouchable track record at NHMS, and won basically every event he showed up to.
 
So basically my stock 325i is running against NC generation miatas (600 fewer pounds, only 19 fewer HP)...wtf. 2 years ago a guy an a stock NC set an untouchable track record at NHMS, and won basically every event he showed up to.

At least you don't look *** when pulling laps in a ladies convertible :)
 
Some of my Lambo & Ferrari friends would mop the floor with your 325, nothing against you but just because that guy was slow does not mean all exotic owners can't drive. Several of them put themselves through racing school, and one guy I know who owns a GTS-R and some Lambo's even paid to drive a retired Formula 1 car, rich guys are no joke when it comes to racing haha

Lol.

I wasn't saying I can beat all exotics with my e36... At NJMP last year there were 3 students who were all not very good drivers - one in a GT-R, another in a Viper, and a third in a 997 GT3. OBVIOUSLY, they all beat me driving my 325i - there's only so much you can do when I'm going down the front straight at 105 when they are hitting close to 140.

My comment was obviously a joke - but to clarify I didn't say rich guys are bad at driving, just typically guys with more expensive cars aren't as talented...the rich guys are the only ones who have the $ to get the track experience.

I suppose that's kind of the point of this competition - with my current income and days off each year, the most I can reasonable do is about 5-8 track days/year. I absolutely can't afford schools like Skip Barber, Bondurant, or even afford to go door-to-door racing...
 
Lol.

I wasn't saying I can beat all exotics with my e36... At NJMP last year there were 3 students who were all not very good drivers - one in a GT-R, another in a Viper, and a third in a 997 GT3. OBVIOUSLY, they all beat me driving my 325i - there's only so much you can do when I'm going down the front straight at 105 when they are hitting close to 140.

My comment was obviously a joke - but to clarify I didn't say rich guys are bad at driving, just typically guys with more expensive cars aren't as talented...the rich guys are the only ones who have the $ to get the track experience.

I suppose that's kind of the point of this competition - with my current income and days off each year, the most I can reasonable do is about 5-8 track days/year. I absolutely can't afford schools like Skip Barber, Bondurant, or even afford to go door-to-door racing...

I here you on not being able to not afford racing school. When NJMP first opened i wanted to take some classes until i seen the prices. I bought a kart instead but even that is super expensive to be a top runner.
 
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Disclaimer: I know and know of many guys with exotics who can drive the wheels off them. Unfortunately though theres a lot of poseurs as well.

Many moons ago we had the local Ferrari Club show up with about 5 cars to our local AutoX. One guy had a Testarossa and while his wife was very nice talking cars with everyone, he could not be bothered and was too busy putting on his Scuderia Ferrari fire suit. None had AutoXed before, none were willing to take an instructor like we generally require all novices. Every one was either so slow we were sleeping by the end of their run, or hit everything but the lottery. Testarossa guy finally allowed an instructor in his car who found him to be continually making tiny corrections like crazy to the steering... just like Michael Schumacher in his F1 car on TV. He didn't want to listen to how thats not the way you drive a normal car or even race car. And all 5 were gone by lunch and consecutively held the worst time of the day.
 
I here you on not being able to not afford racing school. When NJMP first opened i wanted to take some classes until i seen the prices. I bought a kart instead but even that is super expensive to be a top runner.

Holy crap karts are expensive. After cleaning house at some local events (enduros, BMW club, etc), I looked into it with a buddy of mine. It's thousands of dollars JUST to get setup. Then you need to haul your kart around everywhere (means buying a truck)...never mind all the connections you gotta make to find parts for cheap, get good track time, etc.

How is it working out for you? What kind of cash do you spend for a solid season of karting?

For now I'm just doing an indoor league at F1 Boston for $400/season. The 6hp karts are kind of lame, but it's better than nothing.
 
Disclaimer: I know and know of many guys with exotics who can drive the wheels off them. Unfortunately though theres a lot of poseurs as well.

Many moons ago we had the local Ferrari Club show up with about 5 cars to our local AutoX. One guy had a Testarossa and while his wife was very nice talking cars with everyone, he could not be bothered and was too busy putting on his Scuderia Ferrari fire suit. None had AutoXed before, none were willing to take an instructor like we generally require all novices. Every one was either so slow we were sleeping by the end of their run, or hit everything but the lottery. Testarossa guy finally allowed an instructor in his car who found him to be continually making tiny corrections like crazy to the steering... just like Michael Schumacher in his F1 car on TV. He didn't want to listen to how thats not the way you drive a normal car or even race car. And all 5 were gone by lunch and consecutively held the worst time of the day.

This is what I'm used to seeing... Or a guy who built a kit GT-40 just to put it in a wall, instantly causing tens of thousands worth of damage... Or a guy in a new Ford GT who drives the whole course in 4th gear because of his fear of torque...and so on. But my disclaimer is that I don't hang out with a ton of super rich people.
 
Holy crap karts are expensive. After cleaning house at some local events (enduros, BMW club, etc), I looked into it with a buddy of mine. It's thousands of dollars JUST to get setup. Then you need to haul your kart around everywhere (means buying a truck)...never mind all the connections you gotta make to find parts for cheap, get good track time, etc.

How is it working out for you? What kind of cash do you spend for a solid season of karting?

For now I'm just doing an indoor league at F1 Boston for $400/season. The 6hp karts are kind of lame, but it's better than nothing.

I haven't really ran a full season yet (Broken ribs first track day out) and its not looking like i'm going to this year either due to funds. Mainly i just go out on the weekends and run the big dogs for fun during open lapping sessions. I run a rotax and there very expensive to maintain and not everyone will work on them and there supposed to be sealed motors. I have a good 7500 wrapped up between the kart itself, race suit, tires etc... and have only ran 2real events. Needless to say once i get the engine rebuilt it will be going on craigslist as i can't afford to be competitive. I don't care what anyone says it takes money to win. You can have all the talent in the world but if your equipment isn't on par you'll never be able to compete. And i hate being a mid-pack guy.
 
For now I'm just doing an indoor league at F1 Boston

How is F1 Boston? Worth the money if I wanted to just drop in and do a few quick races? My Sister lives near Boston Common and have always thought about taking the 10 mile trip to Braintree but have heard poor reviews in the past.
 
Lol.

I wasn't saying I can beat all exotics with my e36... At NJMP last year there were 3 students who were all not very good drivers - one in a GT-R, another in a Viper, and a third in a 997 GT3. OBVIOUSLY, they all beat me driving my 325i - there's only so much you can do when I'm going down the front straight at 105 when they are hitting close to 140.

My comment was obviously a joke - but to clarify I didn't say rich guys are bad at driving, just typically guys with more expensive cars aren't as talented...the rich guys are the only ones who have the $ to get the track experience.

I suppose that's kind of the point of this competition - with my current income and days off each year, the most I can reasonable do is about 5-8 track days/year. I absolutely can't afford schools like Skip Barber, Bondurant, or even afford to go door-to-door racing...

My bad...

I used to actually think more along the lines that you did about rich guys driving, and you are right for the most part. Most of the guys who buy exotics buy them for brand name and then try to be Schumacher without really educating themselves enough or practicing in slower cars first.

Getting a bit OT here but...

After hanging out with some guys from the Ferrari and Lambo forums though, some of those guys are really hardcore. They take their cars to the edge and kick everyones ass in the process. That's on tracks with straights and fast sweepers. Anything that is tight and windy you can even the gap a bit.

I had an e36 as well, mine was an m3. When it was stock I went to a meet in Malibu and ended up blasting through the canyons with a bunch of guys from BFC. The lead guy was in a 330ci I believe and he knew the canyons like the back of his hand. On the way up I was stuck behind all the baller kids with their blingin rims and expensive parts. Then we got to the middle of the mountain and I decided I wanted to follow the leader so as soon as he hopped in his car I followed him up to the top and then on the downhill I was riding him hard to the point where he under steered into the other lane then I kind of backed off. Normally I don't like driving like this on public roads but we had a clear view of what was ahead. We got to the bottom and he got out, walked up to me and shook my hand and said "no one has ever been able to keep up with me, what suspension do you have on that?." I told him stock and he was semi-amazed.

About a minute later the rest of the pack caught up with us as we were parked on the side of the road, then I hear this roaring engine go by and its an Aston Martin Vanquish blasting his way onto the road we just came from. I hopped in my car and tried to catch up, we caught up to him and it felt like a need for speed game haha as soon as I caught him he gunned it and off we were, round 2. I was able to keep close the entire time, he pulled over at the top, got out, shook my hand, said "wow, none of my Ferrari buddies can ever keep up with me, that little thing is fast." I smiled, then got a ride in the Aston Martin and called it a day.

Moral of that long story is, I feel you, I understand what a car like an e36 can do when driven right, it surprises a lot of people, and I am sure given the right circumstances you can mop the floor with people in some pretty nice cars.

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I suppose that's kind of the point of this competition - with my current income and days off each year, the most I can reasonable do is about 5-8 track days/year. I absolutely can't afford schools like Skip Barber, Bondurant, or even afford to go door-to-door racing...

I literally saved ALL my money I could from jobs etc through college cause my folks said "graduate college and you can do all the racing you want". Considering I also paid for that all I got out of the deal was a roof over my head LOL. Anyway after college I proceeded to spend over $15,000 on Skip Barber, Lapping days, fire suit, helmet, sponsor hunter, etc etc.

Long story short, I never went pro but I had the time of my life. It sounds like a lot but I got to actually race on Daytona, meet people like Bruce MacInnes and Sam Posey and many others, I wouldn't change a thing, except maybe I would have started earlier. Then I may have had a shot.
 
SICK - is that your Alpine White M3? The wheels look like the '95 model year with the s50. I actually have an Avus Blue s50 M3 for the summer time, and the 325i (also white) beater for the track/winter time. Don't be fooled - the M3 is a ridiculously good handling car at medium and high speeds, but you basically kind of prove the point when running with that Aston...

To get back ON topic - you are lucky you aren't ineligible for a felony...
 
How is F1 Boston? Worth the money if I wanted to just drop in and do a few quick races? My Sister lives near Boston Common and have always thought about taking the 10 mile trip to Braintree but have heard poor reviews in the past.

Leagues and endurance races are the best. Hop over to the go-kart thread, and I'll post a longer review...
 
SICK - is that your Alpine White M3? The wheels look like the '95 model year with the s50. I actually have an Avus Blue s50 M3 for the summer time, and the 325i (also white) beater for the track/winter time. Don't be fooled - the M3 is a ridiculously good handling car at medium and high speeds, but you basically kind of prove the point when running with that Aston...

To get back ON topic - you are lucky you aren't ineligible for a felony...

Do you want some rims or suspension? I sold the M3 but I still have my TC Kline DA's and SSR wheels. ;)

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To get back ON topic - you are lucky you aren't ineligible for a felony...

It's not as wild as you think, we are driving fast but everybody seemed to have control until that one guy started to push too hard.
 
It's not as wild as you think, we are driving fast but everybody seemed to have control until that one guy started to push too hard.

If only those were the rules for getting hit with a Reckless Driving :(

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
"You were goin 140 son"
"But I was in control sir"
"Oh okay, cool, peace out"
 
If only those were the rules for getting hit with a Reckless Driving :(

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
"You were goin 140 son"
"But I was in control sir"
"Oh okay, cool, peace out"

More like:

"What seems to be the problem officer?"
"I caught you going 45 around a turn"
"The speed limit is 45 though"
"Yes but that turn is marked for 25mph"
"So I was speeding?"
"....no"

I never go WOT on straights in canyons ever, its dumb, I hate going even 80mph on a canyon road, going fast in the twisties you are usually between 40-70mph so getting caught usually doesn't mean the end of the world, just a ticket or a warning.
 
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"What seems to be the problem officer?"
"I caught you going 45 around a turn"
"The speed limit is 45 though"
"Yes but that turn is marked for 25mph"
"So I was speeding?"
"....no"

Haha nah I wasn't saying you were going 140, I was just saying that Reckless driving is dependent on speed. Also, those turn speed limits aren't just suggestions. I got a reckless for doing exactly that^ (same speeds and everything). Luckily I got it expunged by doing the driver's safety course.
 
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