[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Johnnypenso]

Wait I'm confused. The guy said that the media doesn't separate legal immigration from Illegal immigration, when have they done that? I'm not being sarcastic or anything I legitimately want an example.

You wanted an example, here it is. First hit on the search "CNN immigrants".
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/gomez-immigration-column/

First paragraph:

The new year began with a new wave of government raids targeting immigrants from Central America and Mexico. About 120 were rounded up for deportation -- mostly women and children, many of whom had come to the U.S. fleeing violence in their home countries.

Since legal immigrants don't get rounded up in government raids and deported he must be referring to illegal immigrants but calls them immigrants.

Later he refers to them as "undocumented people".

Goes so far as to equate them with people who came here legally and went through the system like they're supposed to.

The immigrants in our communities came to this country with hopes and dreams for a better life for their children. They are no different from the generations that came before them, such as the Irish and Italian families depicted in the film "Brooklyn," which is up for an Oscar this year.

Later on they become immigrants with "irregular immigration status".

People do not cease to be our brothers and sisters just because they have an irregular immigration status. No matter how they got here, no matter how frustrated we are with our government, we cannot lose sight of their humanity -- without losing our own.

 

[Brutaka]

@Johnnypenso. Thank you for the article, makes it a bit more clear now on what he meant.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Disgusting: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ele...al-fees-violent-n-supporter-article-1.2562886

referring to this(go to:40):

This is exhibit A as to why I won't vote Trump if he is the nominee. What Trump said about Mr. McGraw's actions is classic Brownshirt tactics. Even McGraw's threats of murder of this protester, if you can call him that, should have charges thrown at him, but Trump will pay his legal bills regardless.

Bottom line, what Trump did was incite violence at worse, and we all know what happened to Hitler's Brownshirts once Hitler secured power in Germany... He killed them all in the name of "we have to take action".

I hate to ask it, but if Hitler killed his supporters because it was politically convenient for him, what would happen to the more extreme Trump supporters once he wins the presidency? (You noticed that he still hasn't really disavowed the KKK after a month and a half.)

Sidebar: I found this quiz by the New York Daily News to be quite entertaining. For the record, I did the quiz, and got 5 out of 15.

http://interactive.nydailynews.com/2016/03/quiz-who-said-it-trump-hitler-mussolini-stalin/

 

[CodeRedR51]

Is there anyone else in here voting this year that is not religious and their only available polling location is a church? I can't be the only one that has a problem with that...

 

[squadops]

I find that hard to believe, usually they use schools? I've never gone to church to vote

 

[GTPorsche]

I thought voting places had to be schools or community centers...

 

[Com Fox]

They can be anywhere apparently. According to this picture.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Is there anyone else in here voting this year that is not religious and their only available polling location is a church? I can't be the only one that has a problem with that...

So don't pray while you're there

I'm an utter atheist (as most here probably know) but one of my favourite places to sit and chill is my parish church, it's a triumph of engineering if nothing else! That and my favourite 16th C pub just across t'road

 

[mustafur]

What if I told you the Closest Church to me got turned into a Nightclub about 5 years ago lmao.

The Church Bar they call it.

 

[squadops]

I'd have a few belts there for sure

 

[GTPorsche]

As long as the church isn't giving services during the voting, I don't really see what the issue is.

 

[Johnnypenso]

A guy rushes the stage and has to be stopped by Secret Service from doing who knows what to a Presidential candidate and CNN interviews him like he's just kid trying to rush on stage at a Who concert.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/13/politics/thomas-dimassimo-donald-trump-protester-interview/index.html

I guess it's ok though because it was Trump.

 

[Dennisch]

Any other candidate and the headlines would have been :

Assassination attempt prevented!

 

[CodeRedR51]

As long as the church isn't giving services during the voting, I don't really see what the issue is.

We have a public library that can be used, as well as other community centers. In my opinion it's a church & state issue, but what do I know right? But according to the FFRF it's allowed as long as they are not promoting their services or have signage posted for other issues such as abortion, etc. As long as I can get in and out quickly it's fine.

 

[ukfan758]

They use schools for elections where I am, but yeah, as long as the church isn't doing anything that could influence the process, it's completely fine imo.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Any other candidate and the headlines would have been :

Assassination attempt prevented!

Can you imagine the uproar if it had been a Trump supporter trying to run onto Bernie's stage? Some people here would have had a conniption fit and the internetz would be flooded with Trump/Oswald/Hinckley/Fromme memes. If it's against the Donald though, you get to go on CNN and justify what you did. He put lives in danger, he could have been shot or seriously wounded, someone else could have been shot etc. I hope they throw the book at him to teach a lesson to anyone else that's thinking that is a good idea.

 

[GTPorsche]

No one should be jumping barricades and attempting to rush any of the candidates.

Edit:

 

[Johnnypenso]

Wait I'm confused. The guy said that the media doesn't separate legal immigration from Illegal immigration, when have they done that? I'm not being sarcastic or anything I legitimately want an example.

I know I answered you already but this might also shed some light on why people tend to get upset about the liberal media not distinguishing between legal and illegal immigration and quite frankly, part of the reason Trump's tougher stance on immigration is so popular:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/14/124-illegal-immigrants-released-by-dhs-later-charg/

More than 100 illegal immigrants caught but released by the Obama administration over the last five years have gone on to be charged with murders after they were set free, according to a new report being released Monday from the Center for Immigration Studies.

That's 135 Americans who might be alive today if a harder stance was taken on illegal immigration. And that's just murders among those caught and released, it doesn't include anyone who was never caught and released.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I know I answered you already but this might also shed some light on why people tend to get upset about the liberal media not distinguishing between legal and illegal immigration and quite frankly, part of the reason Trump's tougher stance on immigration is so popular:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/14/124-illegal-immigrants-released-by-dhs-later-charg/

It disagrees with its own headline, for a start - 122 charged with homicide related offences. It then goes on to blame ICE for not holding them indefinitely despite them wanting to, ICE didn't make the court ruling in that respect. It does beg questions about forcible repatriation, of course, that's something that needs to be considerd, as is the bonded release that they mention.

If your issue is with incorrect early release then it's a valid one, particularly given that thousands of prisoners have been mistakenly released early. It just seems that you're dressing it up as something else.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It disagrees with its own headline, for a start - 122 charged with homicide related offences. It then goes on to blame ICE for not holding them indefinitely despite them wanting to, ICE didn't make the court ruling in that respect. It does beg questions about forcible repatriation, of course, that's something that needs to be considerd, as is the bonded release that they mention.

If your issue is with incorrect early release then it's a valid one, particularly given that thousands of prisoners have been mistakenly released early. It just seems that you're dressing it up as something else.

I'm not dressing it up as anything. It is what it is. Much of the general public sees the American feds as soft on illegal immigration and stories like this only serve to reinforce that notion. I'm sure there are complicated legalities involved, hamstrung government departments etc., but many people will just see this as, "we caught the guy, let him go and he killed some of us".

 

[FoolKiller]

We have a public library that can be used, as well as other community centers. In my opinion it's a church & state issue, but what do I know right? But according to the FFRF it's allowed as long as they are not promoting their services or have signage posted for other issues such as abortion, etc. As long as I can get in and out quickly it's fine.

Are you sure those places are in your area?

Laws differ state to state, but here a voting district is designated by population density. My voting location is in a church. There are plenty of government buildings less than a mile away, but they're in a different district.

There are likely other factors that go into whether a certain facility meets all the requirements as well.

Some places do seem odd, but often they are the best place available. Some have been voting places for years and moving to another location could be seen as trying to disenfranchising voters by confusing them.

 

[huskeR32]

I guess it's ok though because it was Trump.

Who said that?

Can you imagine the uproar if it had been a Trump supporter trying to run onto Bernie's stage? Some people here would have had a conniption fit

On today's episode of "libruls are gonna____," watch yet another strawman of pointless generalization get knocked down by our fearless leader. And heeeeeeeere's your host, Johnnypenso!

 

[playnthru]

Is there anyone else in here voting this year that is not religious and their only available polling location is a church? I can't be the only one that has a problem with that...

I don't see the issue? My local polling is at a church this year, it has nothing to do with religion. They'll use whatever building is available in the district. The most common polling places here are churches, schools and Fire Stations.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Are you sure those places are in your area?

Small town, population ~50k. I think city hall is less than a mile from the polling location. Probably more churches per square mile than I've ever seen. (probably because this town is snowbird central in the winter) Just irks me a bit, but I will be making sure they are not doing any more than they are supposed to.

I don't see the issue? My local polling is at a church this year, it has nothing to do with religion. They'll use whatever building is available in the district. The most common polling places here are churches, schools and Fire Stations.

A church certainly has something to do with religion, it's a place of worship no matter what activities go on there. Again, FFRF says it's legal as long as they are not promoting anything that doesn't have to do with the election.

 

[TenEightyOne]

A church certainly has something to do with religion, it's a place of worship no matter what activities go on there.

But surely that's like saying "I won't vote in...

Fire Stations.

...as I'm not on fire".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@R1600Turbo It's a church not a commitment, no one is telling you if you vote you'll be having to go their every Sunday until the next Presidential cycle...

Get in, get out, that simple

 

[ryzno]

When I stayed in Avondale Estates they uesd the main church as the polling location. Now I moved to the edge of Decatur near the jail and they use the tax/tag office. As people said they use whatever location that's convenient for that voting district. I just remembered we voted at the library one time in Avondale and the elementry school also.

 

[IforceV8]

The county I live in has polling stations at 4 churches, 3 fire stations, a car dealer,union hall,library,and various rec centers and government buildings so I wouldnt be too concerned about having to vote at a church.

 

[GTPorsche]

They use the schools here because the voting districts are centered around the school districts.

 

[CodeRedR51]

But surely that's like saying "I won't vote in...

...as I'm not on fire".

But a fire station has nothing to do with separation of church and state. So point invalid.

@R1600Turbo It's a church not a commitment, no one is telling you if you vote you'll be having to go their every Sunday until the next Presidential cycle...

Get in, get out, that simple

See above.

Shouldn't have even asked, I should know how people are around here.