[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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Small town, population ~50k. I think city hall is less than a mile from the polling location. Probably more churches per square mile than I've ever seen. (probably because this town is snowbird central in the winter) Just irks me a bit, but I will be making sure they are not doing any more than they are supposed to.
A church certainly has something to do with religion, it's a place of worship no matter what activities go on there. Again, FFRF says it's legal as long as they are not promoting anything that doesn't have to do with the election.

My point is

(A)church is a build nothing more. People who worship do so anywhere and everywhere.
(B)the location of your local polling site has nothing to do with religion.
(C) churches are commonly used as polling locations (at least here in SLO).

Don't worry.
 
So, please, go on about how having to vote in church is violating the above line...
A government activity taking place in a religious building says enough really. Of course I read up on it before I posted about it and several of you have pointed out like broken records, I know there is nothing I can do about. I am just not a fan of it taking place. And in case I missed something, I have that right.
church is a build nothing more.
But it's built for one main purpose, and with government activities is why I have an issue with it.
 
Meh... I can see the reasoning for having a dislike towards polling in a church, but then again I don't.

Initially, yeah, it's a church, nothing should be done there government related. There's no reason as to why they should, nor shouldn't.

However, the church themselves are not the election officials. They still cannot promote a certain candidate, just like at any other polling location, and nor can the officials. There's really no point to be upset about it. As one who disagrees with pretty much all legitimate religions, I first of all don't like going, but having to vote, wouldn't mean I'm going to hell (this is turning into the wrong thread btw, and we don't need a lone warrior that keeps that damn thread alive anyways).
 
Coming from the exact opposite point of vue I got to say I agree with R1600Turbo.

I would have issues with my Church being used as a polling station. Would need a sign saying "Get the State out of My Church" if such a horrible thing would happen.


PS - I know atheists think of it as just being a building, (can't blame them, atheists certainly can't think of it as anything else) but I can't think of a (Catholic) church as anything other than a Temple.
 
A government activity taking place in a religious building says enough really. Of course I read up on it before I posted about it and several of you have pointed out like broken records, I know there is nothing I can do about. I am just not a fan of it taking place. And in case I missed something, I have that right.

But it's built for one main purpose, and with government activities is why I have an issue with it.

Some are some aren't. The closest church to me was originally built as a grammar school. But, yes. Most are purpose built.

Anyway, i do understand your point. I also agree voting at a church gives the appearance of church and state being together somehow. So does our currency for that matter. It doesn't stop me from spending money though.

The reason i posted was to try and explain that it's fairly common and you shouldn't worry. In no way am i trying to infringe on your rights. Please don't read that into my words.

Edit.. can you vote by mail in your state?
 
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If they've received a complaint then they have a duty to investigate it. However, as much as I personally like the idea of Trump being arrested (maybe even tazed, live on TV) I doubt this will go anywhere substantial.
I don't see anything coming from it either.

On the other hand.... the Grand Dragon of the KKK has switched his endorsement from Trump to Clinton.
 
At first, I wasn't with @R1600Turbo on this either. A building is a building, right? But then I started wondering if that point of view is only possible because Christian churches are so ubiquitous in the US.

Let's say that a devout Christian found out their polling place was a mosque. It's not hard to imagine that person feeling a little uncomfortable entering a house of worship of a faith they didn't belong to for the purpose of conducting government business.

Mind, I'm not necessarily saying that they should feel that way, just that it's completely understandable if they do.

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Side note here - has anybody heard of an actual example of a mosque being used as a polling location? I haven't, and if it indeed never happens, it certainly begs the question "why not?" I'm not sure that using churches but not mosques as polling places qualifies as an endorsement of one religion over another. But I'm not sure it doesn't, either.
 
Do you know specifically where? Were there any objections from the people who had to go there?
Noor Mosque in Dublin, Ohio is one that I know of. There were people that didn't like the idea of it, but I'm not sure if they were people that actually had to go vote there in that district or if it was just people that went online to complain for the sake of complaining. It garnered attention because of the "terror mosque" fears in 2005 where people were under the impression that mosques were places of Islamic terrorism training and not actually the peaceful houses of worship that they really are.
 
This forum has a few things on the topic...

Apparently, the standard practice when "borrowing" a congregation's facilities as a polling place, is that the place of voting not be the sanctuary itself, but a common area that is freely accessible by people of all religions -- i.e. nowhere where you'd have to cover yourself, or take your shoes off, or whatever.
The convenience in terms of centrality, space, accessibility and parking availability of established mainstream churches tends to make it just that much easier as a polling place.
 
At first, I wasn't with @R1600Turbo on this either. A building is a building, right? But then I started wondering if that point of view is only possible because Christian churches are so ubiquitous in the US.

Let's say that a devout Christian found out their polling place was a mosque. It's not hard to imagine that person feeling a little uncomfortable entering a house of worship of a faith they didn't belong to for the purpose of conducting government business.

Mind, I'm not necessarily saying that they should feel that way, just that it's completely understandable if they do.

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Side note here - has anybody heard of an actual example of a mosque being used as a polling location? I haven't, and if it indeed never happens, it certainly begs the question "why not?" I'm not sure that using churches but not mosques as polling places qualifies as an endorsement of one religion over another. But I'm not sure it doesn't, either.
Houses of worship of all denominations, including mosques, synagogues, sikh temples etc. have been used for polling and voter registration for as long as I can remember in Canada. Practically speaking, they are natural gathering places for large numbers of people already so they make a natural fit in my eyes. I don't recall anyone ever being bent out of shape about it but I'm sure I'd find someone objecting somewhere if I dug deep enough. There is probably a religion or two out there that has some prohibition about visiting other places of worship for example. First world problems I guess. I've voted in a church myself, no idea what the denomination was...and I didn't go up in a puff of smoke. Some people just have to have something to complain about I suppose.
 
Houses of worship of all denominations, including mosques, synagogues, sikh temples etc. have been used for polling and voter registration for as long as I can remember in Canada. Practically speaking, they are natural gathering places for large numbers of people already so they make a natural fit in my eyes. I don't recall anyone ever being bent out of shape about it but I'm sure I'd find someone objecting somewhere if I dug deep enough. There is probably a religion or two out there that has some prohibition about visiting other places of worship for example. First world problems I guess. I've voted in a church myself, no idea what the denomination was...and I didn't go up in a puff of smoke. Some people just have to have something to complain about I suppose.
This thing cried about it...
 
Coming from the exact opposite point of vue I got to say I agree with R1600Turbo.

I would have issues with my Church being used as a polling station. Would need a sign saying "Get the State out of My Church" if such a horrible thing would happen.


PS - I know atheists think of it as just being a building, (can't blame them, atheists certainly can't think of it as anything else) but I can't think of a (Catholic) church as anything other than a Temple.

Interesting opinion, it immediately reminded me of 1st corinthians 6 👍
 
I feel like we could use to lighten the mood in here a little bit.

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This thing cried about it...
Yes she did, as I'm sure many others in the U.S. have or will. Things are a bit different up here. We're more concerned with the quality of our coffee or the state of our hockey teams rather than what's on the roof of the place we go to vote. :sly: The motto of Canada should really be, "We don't sweat the small stuff...and almost everything is small stuff". :cool:.

Hillary is going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. Don't worry though, they'll just take a shower, wash the coal dust off and then start laying underground cables, building windmills and laying out solar arrays.
 
Politico doesn't see to like Trump's sane approach to foreign policy:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-foreign-policy-213546

a few takeways though:

Politico
He has three key arguments that he returns to time and again over the past 30 years. He is deeply unhappy with America’s military alliances and feels the United States is overcommitted around the world. He feels that America is disadvantaged by the global economy. And he is sympathetic to authoritarian strongmen. Trump seeks nothing less than ending the U.S.-led liberal order and freeing America from its international commitments.

Forget about WWII, it was after WWI that America's foreign policy got a raw deal, it just got worst after WWII when you look at the illegal and unconstitutional wars it waged after.

Overall if Trump is committed to ending america's international commitments, then good because America's foreign policy is merely just one big protection racket meant benefit certain elites and welfare states. Make you even wonder why foreign leaders are so scared of Trump..its not due his anti-immigrant/muslim views(which isn't true when you take into the fact that Trump is an international businessman) which scares them, but the fact he want to end the protection racket.

btw, I love of Ron Paul-like Trump is sounding on some foreign policy issues, most importantly not wanting to meddle in the Israel-Palestine conflict and military bases..

http://libertarianchristians.com/20...-about-united-states-overseas-military-bases/

@Johnnypenso

That statement pretty much ensure that Clinton will lose. Ontop of that you pretty much highlighed how much of a crony capitalist Clinton is.
 
Hillary is going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business. Don't worry though, they'll just take a shower, wash the coal dust off and then start laying underground cables, building windmills and laying out solar arrays.
Never going to work... There will be too many lobbyists in a republican controlled congress that shoot this down to hell with her. Even if it did, there'd be no chance to guarantee the same pay, or pension plans many of these workers get..

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I wish there was a way to see how many people have looked at this thread and didn't vote... I wonder what the stereotype would show (if it's there (and if that, age would be a problem too)).
 
a2k, this is what it is, I know it's a bit long, but it's not that long, I've also posted it before so sorry for that.

About to enter, fellow-citizens, on the exercise of duties which comprehend everything dear and valuable to you, it is proper you should understand what I deem the essential principles of our Government, and consequently those which ought to shape its Administration. I will compress them within the narrowest compass they will bear, stating the general principle, but not all its limitations. Equal and exact justice to all men, of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political; peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none; the support of the State governments in all their rights, as the most competent administrations for our domestic concerns and the surest bulwarks against antirepublican tendencies; the preservation of the General Government in its whole constitutional vigor, as the sheet anchor of our peace at home and safety abroad; a jealous care of the right of election by the people -- a mild and safe corrective of abuses which are lopped by the sword of revolution where peaceable remedies are unprovided; absolute acquiescence in the decisions of the majority, the vital principle of republics, from which is no appeal but to force, the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism; a well-disciplined militia, our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war till regulars may relieve them; the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; economy in the public expense, that labor may be lightly burthened; the honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith; encouragement of agriculture, and of commerce as its handmaid; the diffusion of information and arraignment of all abuses at the bar of the public reason; freedom of religion; freedom of the press, and freedom of person under the protection of the habeas corpus, and trial by juries impartially selected. These principles form the bright constellation which has gone before us and guided our steps through an age of revolution and reformation. The wisdom of our sages and blood of our heroes have been devoted to their attainment. They should be the creed of our political faith, the text of civic instruction, the touchstone by which to try the services of those we trust; and should we wander from them in moments of error or of alarm, let us hasten to retrace our steps and to regain the road which alone leads to peace, liberty, and safety.
 
This Democrat Town hall is complete crap, Sanders gets given the hard questions that the Hosts try to get him off his game, and Clinton gets the friendly chit chat with jack all questions about policy wtf is this.
 
To be fair the soft balls she got just got boners, I've never seen such a turn in questions asked.

Fair play Chris Mathews, Fair play.

Absolutely destroying her on her Hawkish Past.
 
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