[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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They are literally the same clown with different face paint.
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- HamiltonMP427
If people weren't stupid you'd probably have 4 different candidates for President.
Or more.
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- Hammerhead Garage
Well, that's just abusing them all over again.
For one, although the women get to tell their stories, they're only being told in the context of Trump's political campaign - and everyone can instantly see it for what it is: a cynical and premeditated attempt to attack Clinton. The post-debate media coverage that I have seen is still focused on Trump's response to the video leak, so the attempt failed.
Secondly, assuming for the moment that the accusations against the Clintons are true, then the accusations against Hiliary are overshadowed by those against Bill. By attempting to position this as a reflection of her character is little more than guilt by association.
Finally, Trump's narrative is inconsistent. One minute, Clinton is an inept politician who succeeds despite herself; the next she's a master manipulator who effortlessly orchestrates multiple intricate plots and schemes. It's like she's some idiot savant Svengali, which doesn't hold up to scrutiny because Clinton assumes that she's speaking to adults and addresses them as such. The most Trump can say is that it's "very bad".
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You mean exactly the same thing I said Clinton pulled on Trump...and you defended that but when Trump tries to rebuke to defend his political investment it's not the same? I'm confused here. In both situations I find it stupid and asinine for people to go to either aid of the two and feel they as people aren't being used for anything more than political gains of power. If it was really a matter of women's right, immigration, jobs or anything else we'd see a more more concise proposal than... "Hey you remember when you said you wanted to grab Sally Footandmouth in the yoo-hoo" or hey "you remember when you helped a rapist get off on charges and demeaned a woman's legitimacy". Or "remember when you called that poor girl miss piggy" or "remember when you defended a man who happened to be your husband about not only infidelity but sexual assault and it proved to be something you shouldn't have".
I mean I'm just curious and maybe you'll finally answer this but where is the differences what makes her so stand out that she's deserves to make executive decisions that impact me and my family. And I'd pose the same question to those up Trump's butt as well. I'm just curious.
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Clinton will most likely be a terrible President. But Trump will be an unmitigated disaster.
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I'm glad your crystal ball is in working order. I don't see a difference between either of the two, she deserve no better than him to be in the office. Your defense otherwise is questionable and really hard for me to see why it matters that much to you. It's long left an outsider looking in perspective for you.
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She can actually articulate policy. Look at when they were discussing Obamacare - Trump's comments amounted to "it's completely broken", but Clinton pointed out what parts worked and would be worth preserving.
Because whoever gets into power will have some impact on my country. Trump abandoning the Trans-Pacific Partnership has the potential to hit us so hard that things like the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme - which makes precription medication affordable - unsustainable, and depending on his foreign policy, we will most likely need to reconsider our strategic alliance with the United States, especially the role Pine Gap plays.
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Yes and just like Obama, she has a team to inform her, he will also have a team of advisers. You seem to have a notion that they alone figure out the inner-workings of government.
Hardly, there is a reason I don't type or run my mouth about other nations politics. It's not my country nor my issues, in reality I have no legitimacy to voice my opinion on who Australians or where ever should vote. Now this is a free forum and I have no issue with you writing your opinion, just the bias with no backing. When you basically stack the deck one way or another to where potential voters here see it as some reasoning to pick one person over another or either of them, that is my issue and the same thing I tried to explain to Rally. I don't care who you stand for, more so that you stand for one or the other to a point where you make a legitimacy argument. There isn't one. I mean I'd expect more than click bait controversy to argue your point, since you tend to make slight of such press.
Let's take Trump out of the equation for a moment and say it was her alone and people got to decide yes or no. What policies does she have that better the nation. That's the true debate not who is best, I've long moved past that obviously.
Also really, really? You're going to go with Pine Gap will have a crucial hit from who is elected? I doubt it they've been running the way they have for years and even helped on major black projects so why that would phase out is something you need to argue better if you're going to use it as an excuse.
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I was interested in finding out about the Hillary bucket of losers thing and found this:
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-calls-voters-bucket-of-losers/
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-calls-voters-bucket-of-losers/
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This sentiment (and variations of it) is just mind-boggling.
Disliking both of them is something I can understand, but to say they are even remotely similar is just ludicrous.
One of them is an experienced politician who understands how government works, how to work with legislators, and can articulate real policy positions.
The other, so far, has not shown even the slightest understanding of what the job would entail, and has instead shown time and time again that he's a petulant egomaniac who is utterly unfit to make the decisions that the office requires.
It's an apple and an orange. Even if you think both are rotten, they're still clearly different fruits.
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Moment of the debate for me:
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Trump's obsession with smugness and appearing smarter than everyone else, coupled with his exceptionally thin skin, would even make Vince McMahon blush.
Well, almost...
Well, almost...
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So I read the wikileaks thing and I watched the video of trump on the bus making sexual comments. Am I the only one that likes BOTH of them more after these would-be character assassinations? If that's a candid look at trump, my gosh that's far better than I would have expected in that situation. And Clinton? Ok she's lying about her position, but her hidden agenda is more reasonable than her public statements.
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The thing I find so humourous about that tape, and others I'm sure will surface in the next few days, is the faux liberal outrage from the left wing media, Democrats etc. When the shoe was on the other foot and their poster boy President was caught banging interns, getting the special treatement on his cigars and a history of sexual assaults was revealed, the narrative became, "Personal life, that's between him and his wife, all that counts are his policies, personal life is personal life...etc." My how the story changes when it's the other guy
As I said earlier, it's nothing I haven't heard, and worse, in dozens and dozens of locker rooms, change rooms, bars and backyards, from both men and women. I wouldn't say it makes me like him better or worse, for me it's a non-issue. It's bs banter between guys that most of us have engaged in at one time or another, at least all the men I know anyway, and it's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
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The thing I find so humourous about that tape, and others I'm sure will surface in the next few days, is the faux liberal outrage from the left wing media, Democrats etc. When the shoe was on the other foot and their poster boy President was caught banging interns and a history of sexual assaults was revealed, the narrative became, "Personal life, that's between him and his wife, all that counts are his policies, personal life is personal life...etc." My how the story changes when it's the other guy
I take your point, but honestly that's not even a fair comparison. Bill was sexually harassing a subordinate and lied about it under oath in a separate sexual harassment case against him. Honestly if that's someone at your company you're running him off with a pitchfork and torches. But if it's the president somehow it's personal and just about sex.
Donald didn't actually do anything. He didn't harass anyone, he just joked with a buddy on a bus. I get that you're calling them hypocrites, but they're far worse - because only one of those was actually truly wrong.
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Moment of the debate for me:
To be fair, jail suits her better than a presidential position... I hear they've got some good programs to help old prisoners who are struggling with dementia.
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Jail is correct
Research every talking point if you must(which i did awhile ago) and it all stands up to what is posted in this video.
It amazes me that she thinks she can make a big deal about Trumps tax returns when she refused to do it when the Cattle gate saga was happening, and it was later proven that she was given Fraudulent Returns on investment in return for political favours when Bill was Governor of Arkansas.
Research every talking point if you must(which i did awhile ago) and it all stands up to what is posted in this video.
It amazes me that she thinks she can make a big deal about Trumps tax returns when she refused to do it when the Cattle gate saga was happening, and it was later proven that she was given Fraudulent Returns on investment in return for political favours when Bill was Governor of Arkansas.
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My favorite: Trump calls Hillary a liar to her face and she's defenseless.
3. Trump calling Hillary a liar, not a Lincoln:
http://ijr.com/2016/10/710799-the-7...-hillarys-face-at-second-presidential-debate/
3. Trump calling Hillary a liar, not a Lincoln:
http://ijr.com/2016/10/710799-the-7...-hillarys-face-at-second-presidential-debate/
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I was watching her mannerisms last night, very closely watching all of them, scrutinizing them very closely, and her expressions and body language is really a window into her soul. Hillary is an old wardog, and old wardogs never change, we know that already, but I've come to the realization that she relishes in the bloodletting. She takes purpose in the fight, hearing her victims cry out in pain, all sweet music to her ears. There is a reason why no one really likes Hillary, even people that call themselves her supporters, and it's that she is exceptionally cold-blooded. There is no warmth or humanity behind those lying eyes, and that scares me considerably. I believe that Obama sincerely cared about people, whether you agreed with his politics or not. I just don't see that with Hillary and that bothers me more than all of her scandals combined.
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DeNiro himself, was apparently just called out after a newspaper clipping from 1998 said that Clinton was getting unfair treatment towards his sex scandal. This was DeNiro's quote attached.The thing I find so humourous about that tape, and others I'm sure will surface in the next few days, is the faux liberal outrage from the left wing media, Democrats etc. When the shoe was on the other foot and their poster boy President was caught banging interns, getting the special treatement on his cigars and a history of sexual assaults was revealed, the narrative became, "Personal life, that's between him and his wife, all that counts are his policies, personal life is personal life...etc." My how the story changes when it's the other guy
As I said earlier, it's nothing I haven't heard, and worse, in dozens and dozens of locker rooms, change rooms, bars and backyards, from both men and women. I wouldn't say it makes me like him better or worse, for me it's a non-issue. It's bs banter between guys that most of us have engaged in at one time or another, at least all the men I know anyway, and it's meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Oh, the sweet irony in that last sentence.
Because saying things & hurting feelings are a worse crime than actually committing them.
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No she didn't. She pretty much said "it's good" at first. Than, they brought up Bill's criticism, and said "well, you know...". But he did the same thing as well.
I like how Trump came into this debate with a solid fool-proof, obvious plan. Whenever something personal comes up, don't give a straight answer, and bring it off topic.
At this point, I honestly think he wants to talk issues, since he's realized he can't win by talking dirty about her. I mean he can make all the criticisms he wants, and can bring the most damning evidence of her dirty deeds into this election, and she just needs one video that makes the general public completely forget about the wrong that she has done, and puts the focus back on him.
That's probably a large chunk of the reasoning behind the media not giving a damn about all the party leaks. They're worried that they will convince the general public into supporting Trump, just from talking about those documents.
At this point I think the only news source that supports Trump is Russia Today, other than Fox News.
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