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I don't know if it would make them hate us less or not. What I do know is that it would cost us less, and it would put is in fewer moral dilemmas about the results of our actions.
[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016
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Just to butt in here...
I don't know if it would make them hate us less or not. What I do know is that it would cost us less, and it would put is in fewer moral dilemmas about the results of our actions.
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How's a report from the Middle East instead that was quickly deleted quoting Prince Mohammed as saying,
The media right now is ignoring the story about how Trump's people were approached with a $2 million donation from a foreigner b/c of the Veritas videos. And maybe, rightly so, seeing as $2 million that was never accepted is a bit of a drop compared to numerous allegations of Hillary accepting donations from various foreign parties, hence the current term, "Pay to Play" against her.“Saudi Arabia always has sponsored both Republican and Democratic Party of America and in America current election also provide with full enthusiasm 20 percent of the cost of Hillary Clinton’s election even though some events in the country don’t have a positive look to support the king of a woman (sic) for presidency,”
As if all of the recent news about Trump have been nothing more than accusations as well, yet liberals slurp the Kool-Aid and push that narrative that he's a woman-hating, sexual prowler. The only evidence of the man is that he spoke like a jackass claiming to just grab women by the genitals; the rest of these women claiming he touched them have yet to do nothing more than accuse him. What was your wording? Ah, "I don't care how much someone is disliked, accusations still need to be proven".
Meanwhile, you've got video evidence of Hillary's team getting involved illegally with a group that admits on tape that they purposely disrupt rallies & follow Trump around. Bob Creamer even drops Hillary's name in the video, not once, but twice. The DNC is not allowed to be involved, but they have a staffer on tape claiming whilst they can not accept credit for the mascot idea, they are still involved with it. Of course, the DNC/Hillary claim they have no knowledge, or CNN likes to act like the videos are doctored, but neither will answer why Foval was fired or Creamer resigned if they've done nothing wrong & never "acted" on their claims.
You want to talk about a real scandal, there's 1 for you, and that's just about them trying to influence voters. Nevermind the main scandal being the e-mails that show questionable discussions taking place, Benghazi, the DNC blocking out Bernie, or after all that, the FBI Director recommending no charges against Hillary when others have been prosecuted for less.
These accusations are as close to being proven as they get, the issue is getting anyone to actually hold her accountable. And that's another scandal in itself.
Trump is a loud mouth buffoon whose only major crime from the media, is saying a lot of stupid things. Hillary on other hand, has already done a lot of stupid things.
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As for an actual conviction in the Whitewater scandal(copied from wiki):
David Hale, the source of criminal allegations against the Clintons, claimed in November 1993 that Bill Clinton had pressured him into providing an illegal $300,000 loan to Susan McDougal, the Clintons' partner in the Whitewater land deal.[3] Clinton supporters regarded Hale's allegations as questionable, as Hale had not mentioned Clinton in reference to this loan during the original FBI investigation of Madison Guaranty in 1989; only after coming under indictment in 1993, did Hale make allegations against the Clintons.[4] A U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigation did result in convictions against the McDougals for their role in the Whitewater project. Jim Guy Tucker, Bill Clinton's successor as governor, was convicted of fraud and sentenced to four years of probation for his role in the matter.[5] Susan McDougal served 18 months in prison for contempt of court forrefusing to answer questions relating to Whitewater. The Clintons themselves were never prosecuted, after three separate inquiries found insufficient evidence linking them with the criminal conduct of others related to the land deal,[6] and Susan McDougal was granted a pardon by President Clinton before he left office.
How do you get an actual conviction when you have that power to skip inforcement and any conviction, They have people willing to go to jail not to say anything about them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy
David Hale, the source of criminal allegations against the Clintons, claimed in November 1993 that Bill Clinton had pressured him into providing an illegal $300,000 loan to Susan McDougal, the Clintons' partner in the Whitewater land deal.[3] Clinton supporters regarded Hale's allegations as questionable, as Hale had not mentioned Clinton in reference to this loan during the original FBI investigation of Madison Guaranty in 1989; only after coming under indictment in 1993, did Hale make allegations against the Clintons.[4] A U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigation did result in convictions against the McDougals for their role in the Whitewater project. Jim Guy Tucker, Bill Clinton's successor as governor, was convicted of fraud and sentenced to four years of probation for his role in the matter.[5] Susan McDougal served 18 months in prison for contempt of court forrefusing to answer questions relating to Whitewater. The Clintons themselves were never prosecuted, after three separate inquiries found insufficient evidence linking them with the criminal conduct of others related to the land deal,[6] and Susan McDougal was granted a pardon by President Clinton before he left office.
How do you get an actual conviction when you have that power to skip inforcement and any conviction, They have people willing to go to jail not to say anything about them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy
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I think it's pretty ironic (given Bill Clinton's history) if the accusations of sexual harassment against Trump prove to be his undoing, but I'm skeptical that this is the primary reason for the apparent decline in Trump's poll numbers. I think that for many undecided voters the spectacle of a clearly out-of-his-depth Trump struggling to stay on message & focus in the course of the three Presidential debates has solidified the impression that Trump is not fit for the office.
Both candidates obviously have historically high unfavorability ratings, but given a choice between a narcissistic man-child with no prior experience (or even interest) in public service, & an accomplished professional politician with a long history of questionable ethics, the "undecided voter" is (reluctantly) breaking for the latter.
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Unless you're younger then you're not voting at all and having spin doctors claim that doing such is essentially voting for Trump.
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Two things.
1. Which poll numbers are these since the popular trend going on is for everyone to put out a poll that amusingly shows all sorts of different numbers.
2. Since the leaked tape & now all these women coming out of the wood work, all one can see are Hillary supporters believing this is the final nail for Trump. Even good ol' CNN has pushed that once or twice.
If they have any sort of brain power, then they'll realize this is a trait they're both guilty of. Trump has no experience, Hillary has corruption. Staying on message? All they both do is constantly **** on each other, hence the sadly true realization that people are not voting for their candidate based on their policies, but more so as a way of saying, "**** that other candidate".
Your description of both seems to only insinuate your vote, not the undecided voter. It again, flows both ways; an undecided voter could reluctantly vote Trump because though he is a man-child, he's also not another politician that some Americans are tired of. That has been one of Trump's biggest draws since the beginning.
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No, sir, it shows the desperation that some people will go (The Establishment) to get their preferred candidate in office. Remember, Trump, before he earned his nomination, was seen as an outsider for holding positions that are similar to Bill Clinton when he first got elected back in 1992. It shows that the Establishment of BOTH parties have shifted radically to the left at a time 8 years ago when this influence wouldn't have been allowed. Now, as a result, you would have Sen. Cruz in a bitter reelection campaign and a tough election bid for Republicans in the next election cycle for the Governorship of Ohio, all over the question on whether you supported your Presidential candidate in THIS election cycle or not. Gov. Kasich is done in politics, let's not mince any words here, and even if he mounts a Presidential campaign in 2020 or 2024, you have to look at the fact that the question of "why didn't you support your party's presidential candidate" will come up.
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A conundrum is a difficult riddle or problem having only conjectural answers. It would appear that technology and automation are rapidly making human jobs obsolete. This has a profound affect on the human economy and almost everyone in it, irrespective of party. And this is the basis of Trump's support, and maybe Bernie's, too.
Elsewhere I have read that Elon Musk says the only solution to the future is to hack the human brain. But people are already doing that with methamphetamine and opioids.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/micha...-conundrum-america-faces-today-222027965.html
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Mike Bloomberg (REUTERS/Mike Segar)
Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg attempted to explain the sentiment of Donald Trump’s supporters, noting that many would be “flipping hamburgers” after they lose their jobs to technology.
“One thing that has to be said here is Donald Trump really does represent 40% to 45% of this country. They are petrified of their future. Their next job once they get laid off is going to be flipping hamburgers. They’re going to live until 85 and their Social Security is not enough to live on and they’re being forced out of their jobs in their fifties or whatever,” the multi-billionaire media and technology magnate said at Bloomberg’s “The Year Ahead” conference in New York on Tuesday.
He acknowledged that technology, not global trade, is destroying an enormous number of jobs. Indeed, this explains why manufacturing activity is up even as manufacturing jobs falter. This is a problem that affects the constituents of both political parties.
Bloomberg later added that the “greatest conundrum” the next administration and the country faces will be how to create jobs as technology forces more people out of work. He noted some estimates suggest that up to 40% of jobs could be automated.
Elsewhere I have read that Elon Musk says the only solution to the future is to hack the human brain. But people are already doing that with methamphetamine and opioids.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/micha...-conundrum-america-faces-today-222027965.html
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Mike Bloomberg (REUTERS/Mike Segar)
Former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg attempted to explain the sentiment of Donald Trump’s supporters, noting that many would be “flipping hamburgers” after they lose their jobs to technology.
“One thing that has to be said here is Donald Trump really does represent 40% to 45% of this country. They are petrified of their future. Their next job once they get laid off is going to be flipping hamburgers. They’re going to live until 85 and their Social Security is not enough to live on and they’re being forced out of their jobs in their fifties or whatever,” the multi-billionaire media and technology magnate said at Bloomberg’s “The Year Ahead” conference in New York on Tuesday.
He acknowledged that technology, not global trade, is destroying an enormous number of jobs. Indeed, this explains why manufacturing activity is up even as manufacturing jobs falter. This is a problem that affects the constituents of both political parties.
Bloomberg later added that the “greatest conundrum” the next administration and the country faces will be how to create jobs as technology forces more people out of work. He noted some estimates suggest that up to 40% of jobs could be automated.
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I remember Woody Allen once joked that his father was laid off when the company he worked for bought a machine that could do everything his father could do, only much faster and much better. He added that the really depressing part was that his mother also bought one.
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If you think for a minute,there won't be massive civilian casualties and atrocities, your dillusional. Watch as the scumbags blow up people and themselves.
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His mother bought a machine for taking out the garbage?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/bloomberg-florida-poll-trump-clinton/index.html
Trump up by 2 in Florida according to the Clinton News Network. Interestingly, they pronounce Hillary as leading with Hispanics with 51% but the normally crack investigative team(
) seems to miss the irony that Hillary only getting the slimmest of majoritys among a large minority population is an epic fail.
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Yeah that's what I call it.His mother bought a machine for taking out the garbage?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/bloomberg-florida-poll-trump-clinton/index.html
Trump up by 2 in Florida according to the Clinton News Network. Interestingly, they pronounce Hillary as leading with Hispanics with 51% but the normally crack investigative team(
Clinton News Network
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Don't forget, Make Sure Nobody But Clinton
Rumours floating around the Wikileaks has the 33k missing Hillary emails and they are to be released imminently. Wonder if there's anything in there about Trump ogling a beauty contest winner from 1984?
. Saw one today about Huma commenting that Hillary wasn't yet right in the head, from sometime last year. Interesting stuff.
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Wait, aren't all these emails being released included in that or have we only just touched the tip of this iceberg?Don't forget, Make Sure Nobody But Clinton
Rumours floating around the Wikileaks has the 33k missing Hillary emails and they are to be released imminently. Wonder if there's anything in there about Trump ogling a beauty contest winner from 1984?
Am waiting to see Donna's emails though. They're supposed to be released next alongside Hillary's VP's.
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Donna claims they're altered. CNN was pushing for a minute they may be fabricated, then switched to the narrative that it's illegal for you or I to look at them; only the media has "permission".Oh hold on a minute. According to the Democrat's,their stolen and therefore can't be true.Oh I hope they blow this whole thing up.
Doesn't seem like there's a straight answer on them in any form.
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To be totally honest, were I an American called to vote in this election, I'd be undecided whether to imitate Seneca or Socrates.
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Both committed suicide. So your remark is moot, and even a little offensive.
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They didn't seem to have any trouble chatting up Trump's illegally released tax return from 20 years ago. Funny how the story changes when the shoe is on the other footDonna claims they're altered. CNN was pushing for a minute they may be fabricated, then switched to the narrative that it's illegal for you or I to look at them; only the media has "permission".
Doesn't seem like there's a straight answer on them in any form.
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Exactly.
If the state of the American political process is such that the choice of President is between a war-mongering, hypocritical crook, a failed enterpreneur and serial rapist who doesn't know why "we don't use nukes" (and you mocked us for having Berlusconi as a PM? Try to live that down) and a bumbling moron who believes the answer to all questions is "free market", AND the turnover at the elections is still likely to be well above 50%, I'd start contemplating taking such an extreme step rather than watch and see the public dialogue become a cacophony of bellowed idiocies, and the policies which make or break lifes in my country (including mine) a collection costly mistakes and ineffective attempts at building castles in the air.
This Presidential campaign is not politics, it's reality television of the worst kind. It disgusts me, and I don't even have an actual interest in it. But then I guess that's what the people want. Candidates who forego those big words and intricated concepts and fart through their mouth instead, but hey, at least they're honest/they care about your social-identity-of-the-week!
And I'm sorry if I sound a bit morose, but I am really starting to loathe the state of politics in the Western world. Time (and wealth, and technology) was supposed to make us more compassionate, more intelligent, and yet more capable than our recent ancestors. Instead all we got is a political class of obtuse, incompetent morons who aren't hanging in a public square only because the people have become so pacified and so self-absorbed they are effectively irrelevant. These elections are just the tip of the iceberg, I guess?
My point is, there is no candidate which seems like an even remotedly acceptable option for me. But then, I am not an American, so all I have a right to do is watch and laugh at your misfortune, waiting for mine to manifest.
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all I have a right to do is watch and laugh at your misfortune, waiting for mine to manifest.
I am sorry for your misfortune. I hear that pedophilia is a problem in Italy. I don't suppose it could be as bad as in Japan?
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Way ahead of you on that, bud. But at least we can say that Berlusconi is a past misfortune. Look ahead, now.
P.S. besides, Berlusconi was accused of dallying with underage prostitutes and then using his powers to get himself (and when necessary, the members of his harem - the "Olgettine" which he covered in figurative and literal gold) out of hot water. While it is a deplorable conduct which is extremely unbecoming of a person who is supposed to be leading the government of his country (a government he staffed with former concubines of his and people of unspeakable stupidity, mind you), I'd argue it's not the same as being a fan of lolicon. Right now we have a pussy-grabbing politician free Parliament! ...I guess?
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No matter who wins, we'll bitch about it for the next four years. Which reminds me...we'll have to put up with this all again in about three years. We can't even get three full years away from DECISION being reminded THERE'S A BIG DECISION TO MAKE every DECISION 2020 anymore DECISION VOTE DO IT VOTE DECISION. MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION ever BUT wrong PEOPLE RUNNING SCANDAL DECISION. And then, it's Christmas shopping time, so DECISION stress never really goes away.
I might buy a one-way ticket to Tristan de Cunha, at that point.
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I did not know that Gary Johnson has scaled peaks on mountains on 7 different continents including Mt. Everest, that is very impressive.
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He can find Mt. Everest on a map but he's never heard of AleppoI did not know that Gary Johnson has scaled peaks on mountains on 7 different continents including Mt. Everest, that is very impressive.
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