[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?


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So the Democrats may try the secession thing again? It didn't go well for them the last time.
I'm going to be charitable to them and assume they are still going through the stages of acceptance of loss. If they still feel the same way after the electoral college votes and the 45th president is inaugurated, well then I will marvel at their insane death wish.
 
So the Democrats may try the secession thing again? It didn't go well for them the last time.
If at first you don't secede, try and try again...

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Is this for real, or is it just wishful thinking? http://www.yescalifornia.org - Interesting to see that they are using artwork directly lifted from the Scottish independence campaign (aka the 'Yes' campaign') as well as pre-empting the referendum question... IMO there was a clear pro-Yes bias in the Scottish independence campaign, since 'Yes' is 'positive', 'happy', 'optimistic' etc. and 'No' is 'negative', 'bad' and 'fear-mongering'... it would be funny if the referendum question turned out to be 'Do you want to remain part of the USA?'...
 
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It appears that the conflict of interest discussions regarding Trump is now moot. Trump apparently sold his stocks back in June, according to The Washington Post

The video clip embedded in that article is accurately titled "Trump’s stock portfolio sell-off doesn’t solve all his potential conflicts of interest."

His stock portfolio was just one part of a larger question that is far from resolved.
 
"Let's say you've already killed the two cashiers and the manager. For the next few minutes, you're the boss of the bank. Now what?" - El Indio For A Few Dollars More

A liberal talk show radio host has suggested that the Senate can cram through Merrick Garland to fill in Scalia's seat. The how is a masterstroke of "genius" (hence the movie quote). On January 3rd, in between the time that the outgoing senators leave office and the incoming senators are supposed to be sworn in, Vice President Biden could order the Senate back in session with 67 senators, the majority of them Democrats. They would vote on Garland's nomination, and get it confirmed.

Well, good luck with that. The plan acknowledges that Joe Biden would have to call the chamber to order and recognize Democrats as the majority before renominating Merrick Garland and approving him to the Supreme Court. An unlikely scenario considering how even President Obama has spoken on the need for a smooth transition of power — not to mention, the legality of such a stunt still isn’t clear.
 
Chelsea has to do a mandatory couple of terms in the Senate or Congress before she can run. Look for her in 2024 or 2028 most likely.

While it would be a good idea for her to get more experience, the VP doesn't really have too many requirements.

I'm guessing the Democrats would want to cash in on the Clinton train while it's still rolling, or you know they could be so daft as to roll out a Clinton/Clinton ticket....which if that were the case I'd have to try to move somewhere less stupid.
 
Is this for real, or is it just wishful thinking? http://www.yescalifornia.org - Interesting to see that they are using artwork directly lifted from the Scottish independence campaign (aka the 'Yes' campaign') as well as pre-empting the referendum question... IMO there was a clear pro-Yes bias in the Scottish independence campaign, since 'Yes' is 'positive', 'happy', 'optimistic' etc. and 'No' is 'negative', 'bad' and 'fear-mongering'... it would be funny if the referendum question turned out to be 'Do you want to remain part of the USA?'...

Why does this remind me of a teenager saying how much better life will be once they move out of their parents house only to realize being an adult is horrible?
 
Why does this remind me of a teenager saying how much better life will be once they move out of their parents house only to realize being an adult is horrible?

No different than any other state that has tried this, looking at you Texas, Washington, Louisiana, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia. Many of which did so in responses to Presidents that were elected. I bet most of you can guess which state petitioned and got enough signatures of agreement to get a response from the Oval Office. And I bet most can guess (with an electoral map of course) which states did so because of certain political backing the income President had.

Just harks back on one of my earlier comments about how people with a political static or party do stupid things cause "boo hoo I didn't get my way!"
 
I misread the headline as "Breaking News: Donald Trump has selected Scott Pruitt to ruin the EPA"...

You can't fight climate change without a rich, vigorous economy. But you can't have a rich, vigorous economy without burning massive amounts of fuel. So, a dilemma.

In reality, climate change, assuming it and Chinese industrialization exists, has gone so far down the path that there is no practical way to reverse it. So the pragmatic thing to do is enjoy life while we have it by making and spending money and having as much fun as possible.
 
You can't fight climate change without a rich, vigorous economy. But you can't have a rich, vigorous economy without burning massive amounts of fuel. So, a dilemma.

In reality, climate change, assuming it and Chinese industrialization exists, has gone so far down the path that there is no practical way to reverse it. So the pragmatic thing to do is enjoy life while we have it by making and spending money and having as much fun as possible.
Feel free to use Ontario, Canada as an example of what happens when the climate change agenda gets unfettered access to the public purse for a decade and a half. Massive deficits and ballooning debt levels (15 million people, $300 billion debt), massive spending on expensive and totally unnecessary green energy projects. Massive subsidies to the property owning class to generate electricity at home with solar panels. Electricity rates more than double in just 8 years. And all of this, in a power generation grid that was 85% emission free (nuclear and hydroelectric), before any green tech was introduced.
 
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016...ry-bringing-environment-of-positive-optimism/
Wednesday on CNBC’s “Power Lunch,” the CEO of U.S. Steel Mario Longhi said after the election of Donald Trump, he has “felt an environment of positive optimism where forces are converging to provide for a better environment,” which he hopes means he can rehire up to 10,000 employees. Longhi said, “I have not felt an environment of positive optimism where forces are converging to provide for a better environment in quite a while. And this is pretty widespread. Customer suppliers, you know, throughout the communities.” He added, “I’m more than happy to bring back the employees that we were forced to lay off during the depression … It could be close to 10,000.”
 
How so? The idea is to reduce regulations inhibiting economic activity and expansion of employment.

Scott Pruitt has been a shill for oil and gas companies. He has also cost the State of Oklahoma quite a bit of money on stupid lawsuits.

While I am not in favor of inhibiting economic activity or employment, I am in favor of protecting the citizens from uninhibited corporations that only care about their bottom line and not the destruction their path causes. We now have to worry about earthquakes in Oklahoma due to the lack of oversight on wastewater disposal.

It also boils down to the State of Oklahoma is probably not one you want to draw from when it comes to environmental matters. Oklahoma has been at the mercy of oil and gas companies for a long time and their shortsightedness. Instead of looking to diversify our economy, the State has doubled down on it continually bending over backwards at their requests. We are consequently reaping the downsides of that and will continue to do so until something changes here.
 
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How so? The idea is to reduce regulations inhibiting economic activity and expansion of employment.

Do you think that the Trump EPA will roll-back air quality controls to the good old days?;)

Here's some pictures of Pittsburgh in the 1940's when coal was king:

The streets of Pittsburgh

Some nice cars on the streets:tup:
:cheers:
 
Do you think that the Trump EPA will roll-back air quality controls to the good old days?;)

Here's some pictures of Pittsburgh in the 1940's when coal was king:

The streets of Pittsburgh

Some nice cars on the streets:tup:
:cheers:

I hope he won't roll back key environmental pollution protections, advancements and standards. He has stated he wants "clean" coal. I've come to accept that the "good old days" really weren't all that good in many cases.
 
I mean I understand the worry, I don't like a bought politician and clearly defacto oil baron being given access of the department that tries to keep those groups in check. However, it's been well noted where the EPA over that past years has let the nation down, too bad I wont forget Flint, Michigan any time soon.
 
I mean I understand the worry, I don't like a bought politician and clearly defacto oil baron being given access of the department that tries to keep those groups in check. However, it's been well noted where the EPA over that past years has let the nation down, too bad I wont forget Flint, Michigan any time soon.

Its my understanding that the EPA let down the people of Flint because the EPA didn't do anything to prevent the State of Michigan from switching Flint's water supply from Detroit's water system over to river water from the Flint river which caused lead to leach into everyone's water (the switch was done because it was expected to save money). The EPA now says that it was a mistake to acquiesce to the water supply change without better mitigating strategies.

Do you think that Trump's EPA would over-ride the State of Michigan if the State wanted to use un-treated water in another city to save money? Or would Trump's EPA say its a "state" environmental issue and take a hands-off approach?
 
Its my understanding that the EPA let down the people of Flint because the EPA didn't do anything to prevent the State of Michigan from switching Flint's water supply from Detroit's water system over to river water from the Flint river which caused lead to leach into everyone's water (the switch was done because it was expected to save money). The EPA now says that it was a mistake to acquiesce to the water supply change without better mitigating strategies.

Do you think that Trump's EPA would over-ride the State of Michigan if the State wanted to use un-treated water in another city to save money? Or would Trump's EPA say its a "state" environmental issue and take a hands-off approach?

It's my understanding that they let down Flint due to knowing that there was an issue and not reacting soon enough and when they tried to react did so in a very poor fashion. Or yes as you put it lack of mitigating strategies, something a Federal Dept. should be doing and have set up protocols for.

I don't know what Trump's EPA would do, nor begin to claim that I have a great guess either. What my comment said was that the EPA has been bad prior to this, and thus Trump electing an official that perhaps will make it worse or much of the same all of a sudden warrants hate? I question people who all of a sudden have interest in it because of the Trump admin they seem to hate, rather than have sudden interest because of inherent problems existing before someone got elected that they don't like. In other words a perceived bias.

Now I will say I recognize some people are bringing this up not because of Trump, but to keep people informed. Also not sure about the loaded question you pose.
 
I hope he won't roll back key environmental pollution protections, advancements and standards. He has stated he wants "clean" coal. I've come to accept that the "good old days" really weren't all that good in many cases.

"Clean coal" is just a BS marketing term. There is skepticism over its feasibility when scaled-up, especially on the financial side.
 
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"Clean coal" is just a BS marketing term. There is skepticism over its feasibility when scaled-up, especially on the financial side.
Due to his promises to restore economic prosperity, Trump is stocking the cabinet with hard-nosed businessmen and generals rather than squishy politicians and academics. He seems intent on enacting pragmatic policies intended to immediately create jobs,prosperity and continued popularity for himself rather than worrying about theoretical, remote and abstract issues like climate change or regime change in foreign lands. The people voted for personal economic change, and for once they may actually get it. In the process, he bids fair to roll up the working class and the black inner cities into the Republican camp, and leave the Democrat Party stranded high and dry in tiny urban enclaves on the coasts - a small handful of "sanctuary cities" cut off from federal funds, forever and totally ruined as a national party.
 
Just harks back on one of my earlier comments about how people with a political static or party do stupid things cause "boo hoo I didn't get my way!"

I wonder if it would have been this way if Trump would have lost and Clinton would have won? I'm sure all liberals aren't like this, but the outspoken ones are sure making it seem like the entire group is a bunch of cry babies that are stomping their feet because their warmonger candidate who doesn't understand the letter C lost to a man who is the embodiment of Biff from Back to the Future mixed with a Cheeto.

I really do think people just need to deal with it and accept Trump is their president, they don't have to like him but one of the signs of growing up is accepting outcomes you don't like and not throwing a tantrum about it. I was too young when Bush the Younger was elected president the first time so I don't really remember what the reaction was, also I guess since the Internet wasn't what it is today, there were less people sharing their views along with less fake news. I know when we was elected the second time around I heard people comparing him to Hitler, but it didn't seems like there was as much outright hate for him, but I could be wrong because I was in high school.

Its my understanding that the EPA let down the people of Flint because the EPA didn't do anything to prevent the State of Michigan from switching Flint's water supply from Detroit's water system over to river water from the Flint river which caused lead to leach into everyone's water (the switch was done because it was expected to save money). The EPA now says that it was a mistake to acquiesce to the water supply change without better mitigating strategies.

Do you think that Trump's EPA would over-ride the State of Michigan if the State wanted to use un-treated water in another city to save money? Or would Trump's EPA say its a "state" environmental issue and take a hands-off approach?

With Michigan, residents mostly consider it to be the governor and his administration's fault for not acting sooner or getting the proper studies done. It shouldn't even been a federal issue, but Michigan probably shouldn't be allowed to govern itself because it just doesn't know how.
 
I wonder if it would have been this way if Trump would have lost and Clinton would have won? I'm sure all liberals aren't like this, but the outspoken ones are sure making it seem like the entire group is a bunch of cry babies that are stomping their feet because their warmonger candidate who doesn't understand the letter C lost to a man who is the embodiment of Biff from Back to the Future mixed with a Cheeto.

I really do think people just need to deal with it and accept Trump is their president, they don't have to like him but one of the signs of growing up is accepting outcomes you don't like and not throwing a tantrum about it. I was too young when Bush the Younger was elected president the first time so I don't really remember what the reaction was, also I guess since the Internet wasn't what it is today, there were less people sharing their views along with less fake news. I know when we was elected the second time around I heard people comparing him to Hitler, but it didn't seems like there was as much outright hate for him, but I could be wrong because I was in high school.

Well I already showed that it most likely would have been so in other post had the shoe been on the other foot. I agree though obviously that people need to shut up and do something more productive than cry and search google on how to build Molotov cocktails (realistically and figuratively)
 
Due to his promises to restore economic prosperity, Trump is stocking the cabinet with hard-nosed businessmen and generals rather than squishy politicians and academics.

To which, congratulations to Linda McMahon on becoming the head of the Small Businesses Administration.

$100,000,000 spent on two failed senate campaigns.
Just $6,000,000 "donated" to hold a federal office.

Bargain!

Also, that's now two people in Trump's administration who have taken a Stone Cold Stunner. Badly, I might add.
 
To which, congratulations to Linda McMahon on becoming the head of the Small Businesses Administration.

$100,000,000 spent on two failed senate campaigns.
Just $6,000,000 "donated" to hold a federal office.

Bargain!

Also, that's now two people in Trump's administration who have taken a Stone Cold Stunner. Badly, I might add.
I guess the lesson here is you can't buy love and popularity - it must be given freely. Some have likened Trump to a performance artist, like Lady Gaga. He needs adulation like a fish needs water. Will he do what it takes to continue receiving adoration and reelection?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/governance-spectacle-trump-taps-wwes-linda-mcmahon-head-232453571.html
President-elect Donald Trump announced on Wednesday that he would bring on Linda McMahon, a co-founder of World Wrestling Entertainment, Inc. (WWE), to run the Small Business Administration for his cabinet.

In tapping her, Mr. Trump brings into the fold a fellow native of the world of mass-market spectacle, though one who has also devoted recent years to her political ambitions.

 
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Some have likened Trump to a performance artist

Your whole Presidential election saga is one big ****** reality tv show. Treating politicians as if they're some sort of superstars. That's how you create elitism. Treat them for what they are. Normal humans like the people who vote for them*.






*Normal humans not to be taken literally.
 
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