[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?

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Dotini
Some have likened Trump to a performance artist, like Lady Gaga.
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Every politician is a performance artist. At that sort of level it's less about what you do than what you're perceived as. Which means that just like any performing celebrity, it's about the image that they present. The Donald has his persona that he presents, and that's what got him elected. It may or may not be similar (or identical) to his natural persona, but it doesn't really matter because like any professional politician it's about winning rather than how the game is played.

Acting is totally fair game and has been for centuries.
 
Liquid
To which, congratulations to Linda McMahon on becoming the head of the Small Businesses Administration.

$100,000,000 spent on two failed senate campaigns.
Just $6,000,000 "donated" to hold a federal office.

Bargain!
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I'm shocked* that none of the folks who spent months crying about the Clinton pay-for-play "scandal" seem to be bothered by McMahon buying herself a spot in the Trump administration.



*not really
 
huskeR32
I'm shocked* that none of the folks who spent months crying about the Clinton pay-for-play "scandal" seem to be bothered by McMahon buying herself a spot in the Trump administration.



*not really
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What's there to be shocked in a sarcastic fashion about? I was waiting for Vince or Linda to make it to the cabinet of Trump as soon as he became our next President.
 
Trump Is going to be a 1 term pres, every hire he makes is a lunatic or bought Establishment Puppet.
 
mustafur
Trump Is going to be a 1 term pres, every hire he makes is a lunatic or bought Establishment Puppet.
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You mean the same stuff every "I'm going to make a difference" President does? The people voted him for policy change not who he decided to hire for admin positions. So as long as policy and real stuff like job growth happens...he'll be okay. If it doesn't happen then he is easily out on the streets again.
 
mustafur
Trump Is going to be a 1 term pres, every hire he makes is a lunatic or bought Establishment Puppet.
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Trump wins mostly because Clinton didnt do any favor.

Lets hope it'll be a lesson for Democrats for not rigging the convention and let Bernie win.
 
mustafur
Trump Is going to be a 1 term pres, every hire he makes is a lunatic or bought Establishment Puppet.
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The proof is in the pudding as they say. No one will care if the cabinet is the cast of Friends if he gets results and avoids any major scandals. For a scandal to be major for Trump, it would pretty much have to be impeachment level before anyone held it against him. Even then....:sly:
 
CIA claims Russia intervened to get Trump elected.
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/cia-claims-russia-intervened-to-get-trump-elected/

Unnamed officials are saying that the CIA has issued a secret assessment claiming that Russia not only intervened in last month’s US presidential election, but did so explicitly to get President-elect Donald Trump elected

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The report emerged just hours after President Obama was announced to have ordered a “full review” into the allegations Russia had attempted to interfere in the election, but takes the allegation much farther, as the limited statements from intelligence agencies on the matter had previously speculated that if Russia did do anything, it was to try to put the US election process in doubt, not to elect Trump.
 
mustafur
Trump Is going to be a 1 term pres, every hire he makes is a lunatic or bought Establishment Puppet.
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I have to wonder, how could he lose in 2020? He's managed to turn Clinton's supposed "blue firewall" of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan into his own "red firewall". If he does manage to reverse or at least stall the decay of the rustbelt during his term, it'll be a cakewalk for him.
 
I think it's a really bad sign that Russia should be supporting & (apparently) actively working towards the election of right-wing nationalist parties in the US & in Europe. This suggests that Putin sees an advantage to creating an every-man-for-himself, dog-eat-dog scenario where Russia can aggressively pursue it's own nationalist agenda in Eastern Europe.

People scared of the "New World Order" are ignoring the reality of what the "old world order" of unbridled nationalism & colonialism brought the world: cataclysmic wars with death & destruction on a massive scale. In contrast international trade & cooperation has dramatically increased the standard of living of hundreds of millions of people & led to a protracted period of (relative) peace.
 
Biggles
I think it's a really bad sign that Russia should be supporting & (apparently) actively working towards the election of right-wing nationalist parties in the US & in Europe. This suggests that Putin sees an advantage to creating an every-man-for-himself, dog-eat-dog scenario where Russia can aggressively pursue it's own nationalist agenda in Eastern Europe.

People scared of the "New World Order" are ignoring the reality of what the "old world order" of unbridled nationalism & colonialism brought the world: cataclysmic wars with death & destruction on a massive scale. In contrast international trade & cooperation has dramatically increased the standard of living of hundreds of millions of people & led to a protracted period of (relative) peace.
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Shocking. First Hillary doesn't concede for hours. Then bogus and unnecessary recounts from a loser 3rd party candidate. Now the election was hacked by the Russki's. The article say they have no direct link to the Kremlin and that all the evidence is innuendo and circumstantial. These are serious allegations. Let's not put the cart before the horse and wait until some actual, definitive conclusions can be made before we run around mindlessly chasing the New World Order boogeymen and crying about a return to colonialism.
 
Biggles
I think it's a really bad sign that Russia should be supporting & (apparently) actively working towards the election of right-wing nationalist parties in the US & in Europe. This suggests that Putin sees an advantage to creating an every-man-for-himself, dog-eat-dog scenario where Russia can aggressively pursue it's own nationalist agenda in Eastern Europe.

People scared of the "New World Order" are ignoring the reality of what the "old world order" of unbridled nationalism & colonialism brought the world: cataclysmic wars with death & destruction on a massive scale. In contrast international trade & cooperation has dramatically increased the standard of living of hundreds of millions of people & led to a protracted period of (relative) peace.
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Or and bare with me here...Clinton simply wasn't liked and loss in the key areas necessary to have won.
 
The funniest part about the people complaining about the Time Person of the Year is that Obama won it twice, Bill Clinton also won it along with Jimmy Carter...not to mention "You" won it which in essence makes us all literally Hitler.
 
DK
He's managed to turn Clinton's supposed "blue firewall" of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Michigan into his own "red firewall".
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Whilst the swings he produced there were large and stunning it's a bit much to say he's made a firewall out of them; he won them all by a <1% margin. If all other states stay the same colour, about 45,000 people changing their minds here would be a Trump loss in 2020. I don't disagree if he has a good term he'll probably be reelected, but if he doesn't - not exactly an impossible scenario - the Dems don't actually have that much they need to claw back to win again.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Or and bare with me here...Clinton simply wasn't liked and loss in the key areas necessary to have won.
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You're missing the point entirely. I'm not talking about the details of how the US election played out. I'm talking about the implications of a general return to nationalism & protectionism. This seems to be based on a false idea that the "old days" were better. A brief consideration of the events of the first half of the 20th century would show that this is clearly not the case. That Russia should be encouraging this development & supporting in some way the emergence of right-wing, nationalist parties is ironic in the extreme. My best guess is that Putin sees an opportunity to advance Russian expansionism by fracturing & weakening international cooperation that might stand in the way of his ambitions.
 
Biggles
You're missing the point entirely. I'm not talking about the details of how the US election played out. I'm talking about the implications of a general return to nationalism & protectionism. This seems to be based on a false idea that the "old days" were better. A brief consideration of the events of the first half of the 20th century would show that this is clearly not the case. That Russia should be encouraging this development & supporting in some way the emergence of right-wing, nationalist parties is ironic in the extreme. My best guess is that Putin sees an opportunity to advance Russian expansionism by fracturing & weakening international cooperation that might stand in the way of his ambitions.
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Rex Tillerson at Secretary of State should confirm your worst suspicions, send shivers of fear running up and down your spine, and embolden some immediate and precipitate action, eh?
 
Biggles
You're missing the point entirely. I'm not talking about the details of how the US election played out. I'm talking about the implications of a general return to nationalism & protectionism. This seems to be based on a false idea that the "old days" were better. A brief consideration of the events of the first half of the 20th century would show that this is clearly not the case. That Russia should be encouraging this development & supporting in some way the emergence of right-wing, nationalist parties is ironic in the extreme. My best guess is that Putin sees an opportunity to advance Russian expansionism by fracturing & weakening international cooperation that might stand in the way of his ambitions.
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No, you just don't get it. I don't care for this left wing extreme (cause this isn't the real left wing) supposedly has this info of Russia being red handed in this. For those of the extreme it's a great narrative that I'd expect from a Ludlum novel. The fact that you claim you're not talking about the general is troubling because it gives a notion that you jumped over it being an idea of fouling up another nation's general election to it most likely being the case.

Which is why you get the response I've given, my best guess is Clinton loss, people want to through things at a wall to see what sticks...here's one that you don't need to use. How about run a damn political party race without using a man's religion, looks and political ideology against him to get in your "buddy". Seems quite logical to let the best person win and then see where the cards fall in the general.

Another best guess is Putin and Moscow had nothing to do with why Clinton lost, so do you want to perpetuate something that at this time belongs in the conspiracy thread, or talk about how the democrats can get back to being a better party than they've shown for the past decade?
Dotini
Rex Tillerson at Secretary of State should confirm your worst suspicions, send shivers of fear running up and down your spine, and embolden some immediate and precipitate action, eh?
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I mean it could easily mean that Trump is picking someone that is obviously an easy ally to one of our nations hardest fought rival, who we bare and grin at during the best of times, and point nukes at during the worst of them.

I mean what surprises me is that people are giving the guy and his team some massive credit at Russia helping him narrowly win in many states. When the more likely story is Trump's team is spinning a tale in their favor, as they did during the campaign.
 
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Dotini
CIA claims Russia intervened to get Trump elected.
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/09/cia-claims-russia-intervened-to-get-trump-elected/

Unnamed officials are saying that the CIA has issued a secret assessment claiming that Russia not only intervened in last month’s US presidential election, but did so explicitly to get President-elect Donald Trump elected

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The report emerged just hours after President Obama was announced to have ordered a “full review” into the allegations Russia had attempted to interfere in the election, but takes the allegation much farther, as the limited statements from intelligence agencies on the matter had previously speculated that if Russia did do anything, it was to try to put the US election process in doubt, not to elect Trump.
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There has been sources that are saying that the CIA's information came from Anonymous Sources, which could be anything from the agents investigating the matter themselves, their co-workers or someone further up the chain of command (like say Hillary Clinton while she was Secretary of State? Implausible, but very likely.)

Here is one such report from Glenn Greenwald, the man who broke the Snowden leaks.
 
prisonermonkeys
...Hitler...
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The name Hitler has been dropped some 200 times in this forum. So it clearly means something to people. You may be interested to know there is a very amusing History Channel 8-episode production, "Hunting Hitler", currently running in the US and UK. Very amusing indeed. FBI files declassified in 2014 and new investigations in Europe and South America are there to see. I personally have never been interested in Hitler, and try earnestly to avoid dropping the name or getting involved in any discussions which invoke the name. I'm making an exception now. Trigger warning: disturbing content.
http://www.historytoday.com/james-rampton/hunt-hitler
 
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Sanji Himura
James Clapper refuses to accept the CIA story about Russia's hacking. Let's be clear, what Clapper did accept is that Russia DID hack during the election. What he did not accept was the motive to push Trump to the White House.
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They hacked during the election but not what the anonymous source the CIA and main stream are claiming was hacked, which was the ballot boxes? So basically they hacked high level sources email accounts to persuade the election one way or another. Damn the Russian's know the American voter better than both parties do, aint that something. That is if one is to believe all of this.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
They hacked during the election but not what the anonymous source the CIA and main stream are claiming was hacked, which was the ballot boxes?
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Which is a falsehood on its own merit. Those ballot Boxes can't be connected to the internet once they are certified, and that is the law.
 
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