[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Would "attempting to influence public opinion, in order to indirectly affect an election's outcome" be a more accurate description perhaps?

(In any case I agree with your post)

I mean I guess, but it seems Danoff is saying that it's info given to the public so they can be more informed about the current situation. The influence is still from the dems and republicans. The dems didn't deny nor apologize for their tactics and thus only seemed more shady come election time. Then you had stupid things like Brazile giving the Hillary camp debate questions after the emails had come to public attention about the DNC. Thus made for even more obvious collusion between the DNC and their favorite candidate.

I feel the fact that Bernie was cheated had more to do with her down fall, than the back handed crap they tried to do verse Trump. And then when your own personal adviser doesn't believe the candidate he's advising...yeah it's all a crap show.

 

[xyloscissor]

I defo question this source but found it funny nonetheless. There was a time when she was an attrictive pop star and that is all.
http://www.gossipcop.com/madonna-donald-trump-president-bad-breakup-harpers-bazaar-interview/

On election night I was sitting at a table with my agent, who is also one of my very best friends, and we were truly praying,” Madonna reveals. “It was just like watching a horror show. I went to sleep, and since that night, I wake up every morning and it’s like when you break up with somebody who has really broken your heart.”

These people are almost as bad as the impeach Bill crowd back in the day

 

[Dotini]

Somebody has it in for Hillary. During the New York/Green Bay NFL football game, the FBI quietly released new documents showing HRC sent SECRET documents to someone outside the government on her unsecured private server which was hacked by Russia, China and Israel. This will increase the pressure for the incoming administration to indict her, or for Obama to pardon her.

 

[xyloscissor]

@Dotini

I thought that saga was done and gone? We all know the answer of course "what difference does it make now?"

 

[Dotini]

@Dotini

I thought that saga was done and gone? We all know the answer of course "what difference does it make now?"

Supposedly Hillary is still a player, wanting to be mayor of New York City. Anyway, she has made enemies in high places, probably career FBI agents and elsewhere who will make her pay for a long time to come.

That famous "What does it matter now?" phrase may come back to bite her. It may emerge that the Special Access Benghazi location and travel plans of Ambassador Stevens & party were sent by Clinton over her insecure privateer server and hacked by Russia, China and Israel. Blood on her hands for accidentally deliberately releasing SAP SECRETs to the clandestine world. In a better world than ours, that would be termed a major crime.

 

[ryzno]

The Senate is live streaming on FB their conclusion of the Russia scandal. I stopped watching after 8 minutes of BS.

 

[xyloscissor]

It's time for the Clintons to bow out, they can still wave and smile and give a few speeches but no more power should be given to them imo.

We know who they are and what they've done, some of it criminal but more importantly embarrassing, I'd rather we save face and move on.

 

[Danoff]

Would "attempting to influence public opinion, in order to indirectly affect an election's outcome" be a more accurate description perhaps?

(In any case I agree with your post)

Sure. The same can be said of anyone who puts a sign in their yard. Katy Perry singing at the DNC, for example, is doing the same.

 

[xyloscissor]

The Senate is live streaming on FB their conclusion of the Russia scandal. I stopped watching after 8 minutes of BS.

If it has to do with John McCain and/or Lindsey Graham it's no surprise you might have had a hard time keeping your cookies down.

 

[ryzno]

If it has to do with John McCain and/or Lindsey Graham it's no surprise you might have had a hard time keeping your cookies down.

They have gone to the level of blaming Russia for interfering in Europe and other countries. It's literally, the pot calling the kettle black.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/?fref=ts

How the heck do you directly link something from FB? I see people post Tweets here all the time.

 

[xyloscissor]

In times like these I really really miss James Traficant, "beam me up!"

 

[Danoff]

I dismissed Trump a bit when he claimed that the media was biased against him. After all, Fox was in his corner, and sure - some media bias is pretty well known. Ever since the election though, the media has been absolutely losing its shtuff. Every time I refresh the headlines I feel like I'm watching a bunch of journalists run around screaming with their hair on fire. Heck, it really started in September of this year when all of the crazy reports were dropping one after another. Journalism, as a whole, is going through a severe adjustment period to a new reality. I guess we all are, but more than any other group it strikes me was the news that is having the hardest time gauging where they are and where they're headed.

The absolute nonsense that is coming out of the news these days is, in my mind, confirming a humongous bias against Trump.

 

[fatkrakr]

I think what turned the media against Trump was that he didn't spend the billion dollars in ads that the media claimed a candidate needed to spend to get elected. They moaned during the entire election how he wasn't spending the money he needed to.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

They have gone to the level of blaming Russia for interfering in Europe and other countries. It's literally, the pot calling the kettle black.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/?fref=ts

How the heck do you directly link something from FB? I see people post Tweets here all the time.

Cause McCain is a war-hawk, that has never got over a reason to hate foreign gov'ts that don't fall in line. Lindsey Graham is his personal sidekick. Also dems love war plenty themselves when it's an enemy they want they love for the old war-hawk republicans that are still around to say this loony stuff.

 

[Joey D]

I dismissed Trump a bit when he claimed that the media was biased against him. After all, Fox was in his corner, and sure - some media bias is pretty well known. Ever since the election though, the media has been absolutely losing its shtuff. Every time I refresh the headlines I feel like I'm watching a bunch of journalists run around screaming with their hair on fire. Heck, it really started in September of this year when all of the crazy reports were dropping one after another. Journalism, as a whole, is going through a severe adjustment period to a new reality. I guess we all are, but more than any other group it strikes me was the news that is having the hardest time gauging where they are and where they're headed.

The absolute nonsense that is coming out of the news these days is, in my mind, confirming a humongous bias against Trump.

Unfortunately bashing Trump with or without any evidence is what's selling right now so the media is going to pump it out as quickly as they can so they can get paid.

It's a bit of a conflict really, journalism shouldn't be complete BS and those who produce fake news should be held accountable in some way, however, media is a product that's sold and probably shouldn't be regulated. Not sure where to really stand on it. Journalist could get some ethics though and then it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Sounds like #Watersportsgate is a thing, twitter will be fun whilst Europe sleeps...

Anybody want to take bets on how many weeks it will take for this man to be impeached?

 

[xyloscissor]

@Joey D

Have you seen the text passed into law regarding "the u.s. ministry of truth"?(Countering Disinformation And Propaganda Act) Of course it's something I'm not liking very much.

@GOTMAXPOWER

I'll take that bet on the it will never happen side, media is one thing along with liberal superstars however the fact remains we at this time have Republicans running all three branches. It will change at the midterm most likely in the congress but impeached? Not a chance.

 

[Joey D]

Sounds like #Watersportsgate is a thing, twitter will be fun whilst Europe sleeps...

Anybody want to take bets on how many weeks it will take for this man to be impeached?

So we are judging people now on rumored sexual fantasies? Especially from some unnamed source? But whatever the case, I think more people are into some freaky stuff then anyone wants to admit. Also, even if he was president when all that went down, it's not really an impeachable offense. The only reason Bill Clinton was impeached over sexual acts was because he lied about it, if he'd bee truthful nothing would have happened.

And how long before he's impeached? He probably won't be. Obama did plenty of unconstitutional things and he stuck around for 8 years.

@Joey D

Have you seen the text passed into law regarding "the ministry of truth"? Of course it's something I'm not liking very much.

You mean the 2017 National Defense Authorization Act? The US has been funding propaganda in other countries for a long time so it's not really surprising. I'm sure they do it in our own country too.

Really the government should stay out of the media but they do love to stuck their nose places it doesn't really belong.

 

[xyloscissor]

That's the one 👍

Just making sure you knew it's existence. I don't have the answers either but the implications of how it could be used is scary.

 

[mustafur]

 

[xyloscissor]

And there are still people out here questioning why we have an electoral college?

 

[TRGTspecialist]

Sounds like #Watersportsgate is a thing, twitter will be fun whilst Europe sleeps...

Doesn't look like it makes for much of a political point, but at least there's a golden shower of jokes to be had.......

Kinda cool/interesting that the document was leaked in full. Source (as Buzzfeed notes, not just unverified but potentially unverifiable stuff).

 

[Joey D]

Buzzfeed, the pinnacle of investigative journalism. I wouldn't be at all shocked if it came out that some intern at Buzzfeed typed up those documents. I'll wait till something more concrete comes out before I judge.

 

[xyloscissor]

Opens with haha.

A dossier, compiled by a person who has claimed to be a former British intelligence official, alleges Russia has compromising information on Trump. The allegations are unverified, and the report contains errors.

 

[mustafur]

Doesn't look like it makes for much of a political point, but at least there's a golden shower of jokes to be had.......

Kinda cool/interesting that the document was leaked in full. Source (as Buzzfeed notes, not just unverified but potentially unverifiable stuff).

lol Buzzfeed, that whole document has no foundation for where it's getting evidence rather it seems to be linking things Trump has done and claim he is a puppet to Putin.

Since when is the CIA The bringer of full truthful information, we know they fabricated evidence in 2002 to claim Iraq had weapons of destruction, now you have partisan hacks just toeing what ever they say because they are butt hurt about the election result.

Some Hard Evidence will go a Long way.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Doesn't look like it makes for much of a political point, but at least there's a golden shower of jokes to be had.......

Kinda cool/interesting that the document was leaked in full. Source (as Buzzfeed notes, not just unverified but potentially unverifiable stuff).

That has been proven to be a fake report. Here are three sources disproving them here, here and one from the Huffington Post for good measure. Here is one such quote:

The allegations were contained in memos written by a former British spy hired to conduct opposition research on Trump. The claims in the documents ― which BuzzFeed News published in full on Tuesday night ― came from Russian sources, the ex-spy told reporters for multiple outlets. But these claims have been reported before, they aren’t independently verified, and even the man who originally broke the story has warned readers to treat them cautiously.

Buzzfeed is now in serious legal trouble for libel for running the "report" as truth.

EDIT: Oh, here is the real source of the report, 4Chan. Link here.

 

[Northstar]

Some Hard Evidence will go a Long way.

It's on the internet, what more do you need?

People can be such sheeps.

 

[TRGTspecialist]

That has been proven to be a fake report. Here are three sources disproving them here, here and one from the Huffington Post for good measure. Here is one such quote:

I would say that strong denials != proof, but eh, it's not like I wasn't unconvinced even without them. I'm still sort of selfishly amused they've run this though.

Buzzfeed is now in serious legal trouble for libel for running the "report" as truth.

How strict are libel laws in the US generally? If they'd published this in the UK they'd probably be shut down already!


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EDIT: Oh, here is the real source of the report, 4Chan. Link here.

Okay, if that's true, that's a tad funnier.

 

[xyloscissor]

Things like this will be used to justify that law I was just speaking of 👎

On another note, it is a bit amusing.

 

[Sanji Himura]

How strict are libel laws in the US generally? If they'd published this in the UK they'd probably be shut down already!

Having nearly run afoul of them 3 times myself all within the last six months or so, I wouldn't say that they are strict as much as having cause to prosecute is a pretty high standard to meet to even bring a libel/slander suit forward. First of all, you have to prove that a statement is knowingly false (for example, if I told your boss that "John is wearing green today." He was clearly wearing red) and that statement has caused you harm as a result (example: Because John's employer was expecting someone in green, John did not get the promotion). Stating an opinion (example: "I think that John should wear green today instead of that drab red.") is a defense against libel/slander.

What Buzzfeed did was not stating an opinion. They reported something as if it was a fact. That is the very definition of libel.