[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Personnel or Raptors? I know they use Raptors already, I see them down here a lot.

Both

 

[CodeRedR51]

Both

Oh, well news to me.

 

[eran0004]

When will people understand the roles each branch of government holds? The POTUS is not/cannot, and will not "fix" the economy.

It's about time he stops making such promises then.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's about time he stops making such promises then.

Guess every other President and nominee for the past 20 or 30 years should have also done the same. There are things they can do to help the economy, but overall they don't have the power to fix it absolute nor have they.

 

[xyloscissor]

Or, people could just read the constitution. That way we'd not have to listen to all the hype and stupidity, it's easy to lie to someone ignorant.

 

[McLaren]

It's about time he stops making such promises then.

Trump isn't some lone wolf in that regard. Obama was guilty of it himself. Hell, he even was coined a flip-flopper because he made promises to both sides during his first election.

It is the common trait for any & every politician during an election; making promises they can't deliver on.

 

[eran0004]

Guess every other President and nominee for the past 20 or 30 years should have also done the same. There are things they can do to help the economy, but overall they don't have the power to fix it absolute nor have they.

If one truly believes that they can't fix the economy, sure.

Taxes, trade and regulations are quite powerful tools though.

 

[xyloscissor]

Trump isn't some lone wolf in that regard. Obama was guilty of it himself. Hell, he even was coined a flip-flopper because he made promises to both sides during his first election.

It is the common trait for any & every politician during an election; making promises they can't deliver on.

I vote my conscience and look for candidates with integrity, my goodness have I ever had a person worth voting for?

If one truly believes that they can't fix the economy, sure.

Taxes, trade and regulations are quite powerful tools though.

Still not understanding the powers?

 

[McLaren]

I vote my conscience and look for candidates with integrity, my goodness have I ever had a person worth voting for?

I don't know if integrity is something that exists with politicians. Sounds like the basis for a good joke like an honest one.

 

[eran0004]

Trump isn't some lone wolf in that regard. Obama was guilty of it himself. Hell, he even was coined a flip-flopper because he made promises to both sides during his first election.

It is the common trait for any & every politician during an election; making promises they can't deliver on.

So it turns out he is no better than the established politicians and the ruling elite in that regard.

Still not understanding the powers?

The president doesn't have any say on taxes, regulations and trade agreements? That's funny, because he made big promises in all of those areas.

 

[McLaren]

So it turns out he is no better than the established politicians and the ruling elite in that regard.

I never said he was. You, on the other hand, appear to be holding him to a higher standard than those before him.

 

[eran0004]

I never said he was. You, on the other hand, appear to be holding him to a higher standard than those before him.

How come?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How come?

You tell us.

If one truly believes that they can't fix the economy, sure.

Taxes, trade and regulations are quite powerful tools though.

Hmm...so again who are we talking about, because as someone who's followed the last 4 election cycles with diligence I can tell you that others have talked about changing the economy through these areas as well. I'm just curious is the litmus test some of you in here personally making, imposed through emotions and/or what major media has described to you, or what you honestly see as a stark contrast in the 45th President and those before him.

If it's the latter you'll have to actually show how he's that different. Cause he seems to be panning out as a typical politician, rather than the orange buffoon that will be washed up and retired in two years. Is he an idiot? Sure. Was Hillary or any other...yes, but in different ways. So what's so special, I want to see what others are seeing.

 

[Rage Racer]

(Mods, my apologies for my previous post - I missed a bad word on one pic. )

This one is (supposedly) from a page missing in the Buzzfeed report:

Spoiler

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

(Mods, my apologies for my previous post - I missed a bad word on one pic. )

This one is (supposedly) from a page missing in the Buzzfeed report:

Spoiler

Man that's 4chan if I've ever seen it, come on man make it stop this is too funny

 

[xyloscissor]

Oh brother, well I'll do this this one more time I guess, I have nothing better to do.

This is article II, if it's not spoken here it does not exist in the office. Yeesh.

Section 2
1: The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

2: He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

3: The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time ofAdjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachmentfor, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 

[eran0004]

You tell us.

How? It's @McLaren 's opinion, not mine. I can't read minds.

Hmm...so again who are we talking about, because as someone who's followed the last 4 election cycles with diligence I can tell you that others have talked about changing the economy through these areas as well.

And why do they talk about changing the economy through these areas? Because they are powerful economic tools.

I'm just curious is the litmus test some of you in here personally making, imposed through emotions and/or what major media has described to you, or what you honestly see as a stark contrast in the 45th President and those before him.

Neither. It's imposed by the grand visions he has presented. He is supposed to make America great again, bring back jobs to the US, create "the best" trade deals. Throughout the campaign he has claimed that he can do all this because he is a businessman and not a politician. If it turns out that he can't, it's going to be a big problem for him and it's going to be bigger than for Obama, Bush or Clinton because he claimed that the problem was the establishment, that they had failed to act. He said he was different, that he would make all of this happen.

And yes, people were perhaps stupid to believe in it, but that doesn't mean that they won't be angry when they realise that he is no better than the establishment.

 

[xyloscissor]

How? It's @McLaren 's opinion, not mine. I can't read minds.

I'm not looking for any confusion deflection or any of that nonsense, I'm pretty sure you can see why I posted what I did, we have a POTUS for a very specific reason and it's not the reason you've been eluding. Not a big deal, you'll find out I'm about the nicest guy in the world in all honesty.

I have a very low tolerance for uneducated opinions, if you know what you should and we disagree that is all gravy babe 👍

 

[xyloscissor]

Oh oops, I didn't see the direction of the post, my bad. How did I not see your quote? Oh well, I think what I said still stands all the same.

 

[eran0004]

Oh oops, I didn't see the direction of the post, my bad. How did I not see your quote? Oh well, I think what I said still stands all the same.

You listed what's in the office, which is what the president can do on his own. But the president has the party as well and their seats in the congress. Formally he doesn't have any say in what they do, but he does have a big influence on the policy direction.

 

[xyloscissor]

Think what you will mate, I know what the office is and what the POTUS's job is, that is all. It is noted that you think differently in either interpretation of the office or in what you'd rather see.

If you are hell bent on economy you should look towards our house as they have the most power in that, the other branches simply indirectly influence the monies. But in no way what so ever should it be thought that any part of any government can simply "make us all rich" or whatever it is that you are thinking of.

That is not how it works and the worst thing to do is count on some POTUS to do it for you.

I'll give you a hint, we do it for ourselves.

 

[mister dog]

 

[xyloscissor]

A coup d'etat does not make sense to me when these so called powers that be could simply place in power who they chose, it can't be both ways imo.

Some interesting points in the video however. I always ask myself a very simple question and it usually works out pretty well. "what makes the most sense to you?" That way I try very hard to avoid the absurd.

 

[Liquid]

The ex-MI6 man who wrote the memo detailing the allegations about Donald Trump and watersports has gone into hiding.

That story is running on the BBC and in the article, the Beeb and its correspondent state that the memo is true and they knew about it in October but did not run the story because the tape was not proven to exist. (Take note, Bull:censored:Feed).

Christopher Steele, apparently formerly of the MI6 stationed in Moscow but now running an private intelligence company on how to do business in Russia, left his home approximately a day or two before his name was publicised this week.

Our correspondent said he had been shown the memos about Mr Trump in October last year, when he was told Mr Steele was "in fear of his life", having spoken out about potential Russian involvement in Mr Trump's election.

[...]

They told him that Mr Trump had been filmed with a group of prostitutes in the presidential suite of Moscow's Ritz-Carlton hotel.

I know this because the Washington political research company that commissioned his report showed it to me during the final week of the election campaign.

The BBC decided not to use it then, for the very good reason that without seeing the tape - if it exists - we could not know if the claims were true. The detail of the allegations were certainly lurid.

This bit seems pertinent:

The 35-page dossier on Mr Trump - which is believed to have been commissioned initially by Republicans opposed to Mr Trump - has been circulating in Washington for some time.

 

[xyloscissor]

If we can't have Hillary we'd rather see the world burn, is that the message? Because that is what it seems like to me, people need to grow up.

 

[Danoff]

The president doesn't have any say on taxes, regulations and trade agreements? That's funny, because he made big promises in all of those areas.

Politicians make promises in areas they have no control over.

 

[Touring Mars]

The ex-MI6 man who wrote the memo detailing the allegations about Donald Trump and watersports has gone into hiding.

That story is running on the BBC and in the article, the Beeb and its correspondent state that the memo is true and they knew about it in October but did not run the story because the tape was not proven to exist. (Take note, Bull:censored:Feed).

Christopher Steele, apparently formerly of the MI6 stationed in Moscow but now running an private intelligence company on how to do business in Russia, left his home approximately a day or two before his name was publicised this week.

This bit seems pertinent:

The BBC have very strict policies about what they can and cannot report - something that some of these social media sites clearly do not have. Buzzfeed have screwed up royally by publishing this unredacted document that is apparently so full of flaws and provably false statements that it threatens to discredit everything being leveled at Trump - it is simply not good enough to post something publicly and attach a disclaimer saying that it is 'unverified', and that 'people can make up their own minds' - sorry Buzzfeed, but that is not how it works... right now they ought to be hoping that some evidence comes to light and fast, otherwise they will find themselves on the wrong end of a massive libel suit.

 

[eran0004]

The BBC have very strict policies about what they can and cannot report - something that some of these social media sites clearly do not have. Buzzfeed have screwed up royally by publishing this unredacted document that is apparently so full of flaws and provably false statements that it threatens to discredit everything being leveled at Trump - it is simply not good enough to post something publicly and attach a disclaimer saying that it is 'unverified', and that 'people can make up their own minds' - sorry Buzzfeed, but that is not how it works... right now they ought to be hoping that some evidence comes to light and fast, otherwise they will find themselves on the wrong end of a massive libel suit.

In Sweden it would brobably be criminal to publish such strong accusations without being able to verify them or show that there is good reason to believe that they may be true.

 

[McLaren]

How come?

How come what? That he's no better than any other politician? Because he played the game like a true politician.

You're the one making the claims in this thread stating otherwise, holding him to a higher standard.

 

[eran0004]

How come what? That he's no better than any other politician? Because he played the game like a true politician.

You're the one making the claims in this thread stating otherwise, holding him to a higher standard.

No, you claimed that I hold Trump to a higher standard than other presidents. What makes you think that?