[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Dotini]

The ex-MI6 man who wrote the memo detailing the allegations about Donald Trump and watersports has gone into hiding.

Do you suppose Christopher Steele is running for his life? Why not John McCain, said to have commissioned the dossier?

 

[McLaren]

No, you claimed that I hold Trump to a higher standard than other presidents. What makes you think that?

Because you're complaining about him not keeping promises; welcome to the political world.

As LMS also alluded to, you seem to be acting as if he'll be fixing everything himself just because he claimed he was a business man and not a politician. Guess what?





He's a politician. He became one the moment he ran.

 

[Dotini]

@Dotini

I thought that saga was done and gone? We all know the answer of course "what difference does it make now?"

Yet another investigation of the Clinton email scandal has now begun. The Inspector General of the US Justice Department is investigating the meeting of Justice Department Director Loretta Lynch - head of the Justice Department - with Bill Clinton in the airplane on the tarmac during the election, and also the closing of FBI Director Comey's investigation in July when he said no harm had been done. The FBI release during the Monday night NFL game revealed that harm HAD been done: Russia, China and Israel hacked SAP SECRET documents sent by Hillary Clinton to Sidney Blumenthal on her illegal insecure server.

Note: The IG cannot indict. That would be up to the new Director of the Justice Department.

 

[xyloscissor]

@Dotini

Maybe they can just hold it over her head so she'll go away, that would be enough for me I think. What does bother me a great deal is how her and others have purposely used private email/servers to conduct business, I don't think many people know why but it has to be to keep their dirty deeds off the record. The fact it compromises national security means diddly squat to them.

I'd like to see some suits brought up asking for public records as in the freedom of information act. It bit em in the arse didn't it?

 

[Dotini]

@Dotini

Maybe they can just hold it over her head so she'll go away, that would be enough for me I think.

Obama urgently (before the end of next week) needs to grant her a pardon so this whole miserable thing can go away and relieve the new administration of a huge, ugly problem.

 

[Eh Team]

Obama urgently (before the end of next week) needs to grant her a pardon so this whole miserable thing can go away and relieve the new administration of a huge, ugly problem.

I've been trying to keep up with this and I'm just curious why he would do that. A few pages back, probably more now, someone said he was basically carted in to get her elected even though he had previously very much disliked her a very large amount. I'm kind of led to think that he wouldn't grant her a pardon so that she gets what she more or less deserves. If he does grant her one and she decides to run again in the next cycle it would be a pointless run because hopefully some better options among the democrats will crop up by then, and her "charity" scheme is known fairly widespread across the globe now let alone the USA. Apart from keeping her out of jail I really don't see what good a pardon would do for her or anyone else unless that's the only goal.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How? It's @McLaren 's opinion, not mine. I can't read minds.

They you did a poor job with a short response. From the way I saw it you seemed to question "how come?"

As if it was a questioning of why it was a problem to hold Trump to a standard higher than those before him...So not sure what mind reading you are talking about or how you actually were trying to convey a point either in the first place.

And why do they talk about changing the economy through these areas? Because they are powerful economic tools.

Because it's what the average voter understands and would like to see changed on some level because they think it will instantly help their bottom line. When in reality one, it will not, and two the president doesn't have any power to change the economy outright as I've already said.

Neither. It's imposed by the grand visions he has presented. He is supposed to make America great again, bring back jobs to the US, create "the best" trade deals. Throughout the campaign he has claimed that he can do all this because he is a businessman and not a politician. If it turns out that he can't, it's going to be a big problem for him and it's going to be bigger than for Obama, Bush or Clinton because he claimed that the problem was the establishment, that they had failed to act. He said he was different, that he would make all of this happen.

And yes, people were perhaps stupid to believe in it, but that doesn't mean that they won't be angry when they realise that he is no better than the establishment.

Seems quite forced and a bit of back peddling. He has said no more or less of promises than what Hillary claimed in the Campaign trail, what Obama ran on for 2 consecutive terms, what Bush supposedly had planned and so on. As far as I can see supposedly he is helping to get jobs from going overseas or over the border having personal talks with groups like Carrier for example.

It's not going to really be a bigger problem though, you're adding conjecture at a lot of places. Obama claimed he could make change cause he wasn't a career politician, Bush claimed he was a reformer. Once again people make bull crap claims to win elections and power, most of the time that power won, is quite limited. For some reason people think it's all encompassing.

People then will continue to get angry, and this circumvents back to the heart of the problem, voting for one of the two parties in the first place.

I've been trying to keep up with this and I'm just curious why he would do that. A few pages back, probably more now, someone said he was basically carted in to get her elected even though he had previously very much disliked her a very large amount. I'm kind of led to think that he wouldn't grant her a pardon so that she gets what she more or less deserves. If he does grant her one and she decides to run again in the next cycle it would be a pointless run because hopefully some better options among the democrats will crop up by then, and her "charity" scheme is known fairly widespread across the globe now let alone the USA. Apart from keeping her out of jail I really don't see what good a pardon would do for her or anyone else unless that's the only goal.

You mean like the better option they sabotaged for her to win the DNC and even that was difficult at times for her.

 

[xyloscissor]

I've been trying to keep up with this and I'm just curious why he would do that.

Just imagine dragging her through the mud kicking and screaming, that should be enough reason not to want it

Reasons could include; not wanting to expose other's wrongdoings, further national security compromises, hindering an already way too expensive and slow government, those are just a few off the top of my head. To me it's a simple matter of embarrassment we don't need, just make her go away already and stop fueling the fires.

 

[Eh Team]

You mean like the better option they sabotaged for her to win the DNC and even that was difficult at times for her.

Fair enough, but I feel like there's still this small window to admit wrongdoing and the democrats might not be totally screwed over in the next 2 or 3 sets of election cycles if they do that. Obama really doesn't need to care at this point, he's days from retirement. I think at this point letting the Clinton ship sink is the best case scenario, if the democrat one sinks with it then so be it, that one will be a hell of a lot easier to re-float so long as there's a properly good candidate in place.

Just imagine dragging her through the mud kicking and screaming, that should be enough reason not to want it

It could be fun, set it up like one of those dunk tanks that kids throw baseballs at and each time one hits she gets dragged 2 yards. Hit all 3 shots and get a bonus 5 yards.

Reasons could include; not wanting to expose other's wrongdoings, further national security compromises, hindering an already way too expensive and slow government, those are just a few off the top of my head. To me it's a simple matter of embarrassment we don't need, just make her go away already and stop fueling the fires.

Well America is subject to so many pay off and corruption jokes that in a way it would probably be more productive to just expose it all and put everyone away along with her, but that would certainly be a truly messy thing to do. I do see why it's better to not do, but doing it might actually set the country in a better direction.

 

[Touring Mars]

Speaking of hacking, has Hillary got rid of that cough yet?

 

[eran0004]

Because you're complaining about him not keeping promises; welcome to the political world.

When did I complain about him not keeping promises? I said that he'll get a hard time if he can't delivered what he promised, because a large chunk of his voters expect him to do better than the establishment.

 

[ryzno]

Obama urgently (before the end of next week) needs to grant her a pardon so this whole miserable thing can go away and relieve the new administration of a huge, ugly problem.

The problem with that is, I feel he will get backfire from it.
That will show she did something wrong after he said she didn't. Why does a "mistake", Obamas word, need a pardon? Thus showing he knew the whole time...

 

[McLaren]

When did I complain about him not keeping promises? I said that he'll get a hard time if he can't delivered what he promised, because a large chunk of his voters expect him to do better than the establishment.

It's about time he stops making such promises then.

Everything you keep talking about isn't exclusive to Trump. I don't know why this point continues to elude you; every President has gone through the same stuff.

 

[Liquid]

Do you suppose Christopher Steele is running for his life?

If something so not credible and so sordid in nature about someone so well known was reported in the press with my name in the header, I would run for my life too.

Why not John McCain, said to have commissioned the dossier?

I could not tell you. Is there any truth in McCain commissioning a report into alleged blackmail material held on Trump by Russia?

 

[eran0004]

Everything you keep talking about isn't exclusive to Trump. I don't know why this point continues to elude you; every President has gone through the same stuff.

But Trump is not like any other president before him. That is what got him elected and that is what will ultimately be his downfall. He will be judged harder than previous presidents because he attacked the establishment, so the backlash from his voters will be huge when it turns out that he is no better himself. It's also safe to say that the opposition is more hostile towards Trump than they ever were for Obama, the Bushes, Clinton and Reagan. He will have a much tougher time than previous presidents, perhaps with the exception of Nixon and Watergate. I don't think he is going to be able to cope with it. Two years in the crossfire and then he'll quit.

 

[Northstar]

But Trump is not like any other president before him. That is what got him elected and that is what will ultimately be his downfall. He will be judged harder than previous presidents because he attacked the establishment, so the backlash from his voters will be huge when it turns out that he is no better himself. It's also safe to say that the opposition is more hostile towards Trump than they ever were for Obama, the Bushes, Clinton and Reagan. He will have a much tougher time than previous presidents, perhaps with the exception of Nixon and Watergate. I don't think he is going to be able to cope with it. Two years in the crossfire and then he'll quit.

I swear I heard similar things when Obama was elected. And Obama's opposition really was/is just as bad as what Trump has faced. I fondly remember people wondering how long it would take for someone to take Obama out.

 

[ryzno]

Why does everyone keep saying "in two years"? He's already did what they said, couldn't be done.

 

[Dennisch]

But Trump is not like any other president before him. That is what got him elected and that is what will ultimately be his downfall. He will be judged harder than previous presidents because he attacked the establishment, so the backlash from his voters will be huge when it turns out that he is no better himself. It's also safe to say that the opposition is more hostile towards Trump than they ever were for Obama, the Bushes, Clinton and Reagan. He will have a much tougher time than previous presidents, perhaps with the exception of Nixon and Watergate. I don't think he is going to be able to cope with it. Two years in the crossfire and then he'll quit.

He was a different candidate.
Seeing with which people he is surrounding himself, I'm pretty positive that he will be a typical Republican President. And as a bonus, all 3 political houses are now red too.

 

[Dotini]

...as a bonus, all 3 political houses are now red too.

Sounds good on paper for Trump, but Republicans Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Marco Rubio are making life difficult for him, seeming with sour grapes left over from the campaign.

 

[Dennisch]

Sounds good on paper for Trump, but Republicans Lindsey Graham, John McCain and Marco Rubio are making life difficult for him, seeming with sour grapes left over from the campaign.

I'm pretty sure that backroom talks will work out those kinks.

 

[Dotini]

I'm pretty sure that backroom talks will work out those kinks.

Yes, and preferably with a cosh that won't leave too many marks.

 

[Dennisch]

Yes, and preferably with a cosh that won't leave too many marks.

Golden showers for everyone?

 

[Liquid]

Golden showers for everyone?

Better than a golden handshake?

 

[McLaren]

But Trump is not like any other president before him. That is what got him elected and that is what will ultimately be his downfall. He will be judged harder than previous presidents because he attacked the establishment, so the backlash from his voters will be huge when it turns out that he is no better himself. It's also safe to say that the opposition is more hostile towards Trump than they ever were for Obama, the Bushes, Clinton and Reagan. He will have a much tougher time than previous presidents, perhaps with the exception of Nixon and Watergate. I don't think he is going to be able to cope with it. Two years in the crossfire and then he'll quit.

Is this the first US election you've paid attention to? Last time, nothing you're claiming or predicting is new; all been said before about past Presidents.

The backlash comment is particularly amusing because that was said about Bush before he somehow pulled off a 2nd term to people's amazement.

 

[xyloscissor]

Why does everyone keep saying "in two years"? He's already did what they said, couldn't be done.

Because it's typical of the U.S. to keep powers balanced between parties, right now the GOP has all three majors and some of us think that will change in the midterm election. Personally I bet the congress will be forked over to the dems.

Or was that not your question?

 

[polysmut]

Everything you keep talking about isn't exclusive to Trump. I don't know why this point continues to elude you; every President has gone through the same stuff.

While that is completely true, questionable actions can't be dismissed with a "he did it first" style response.

 

[Tornado]

But Trump is not like any other president before him. That is what got him elected and that is what will ultimately be his downfall.

Hope and Change.

 

[Dennisch]

Hope and Change.

Yes, we can!

 

[McLaren]

While that is completely true, questionable actions can't be dismissed with a "he did it first" style response.

I'm not dismissing anything. He is beginning to turn heel on some of his campaign promises, and he should be called out for it.

Acting as if he's the only President to ever do it, or will face more scrutiny than any other President however, is just complete bollocks. Bush faced years of criticism for the war & his pronunciation of the word "nuclear".

 

[xyloscissor]

I'm not dismissing anything. He is beginning to turn heel on some of his campaign promises, and he should be called out for it.

Acting as if he's the only President to ever do it, or will face more scrutiny than any other President however, is just complete bollocks. Bush faced years of criticism for the war & his pronunciation of the word "nuclear".

It's just people still in denial over it all. Speaking of Bush, I recall his father once saying, "read my lips, no new taxes" lol

some others through the years although not campaign promises, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" or a super doozie "I am not a crook"