[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It's just people still in denial over it all. Speaking of Bush, I recall his father once saying, "read my lips, no new taxes" lol

some others through the years although not campaign promises, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" or a super doozie "I am not a crook"

Nah you don't get it, they were politicians before they became "thee" politician (president), so they're allowed to lie to the American public like that. This guy, nope, he was Business man before he was a Politician, a real outsider. So he doesn't get the same right, cause we all know business people don't lie like politicians. They can't possibly be interchangeable.

 

[McLaren]

Nah you don't get it, they were politicians before they became "thee" politician (president), so they're allowed to lie to the American public like that. This guy, nope, he was Business man before he was a Politician, a real outsider. So he doesn't get the same right, cause we all know business people don't lie like politicians. They can't possibly be interchangeable.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Reagan technically a celebrity like Trump became so, before he entered politics as well? I know he did films early on in his life.

 

[xyloscissor]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Reagan technically a celebrity like Trump became so, before he entered politics as well? I know he did films early on in his life.

He was a movie star yes. Shockingly they let him slip through the cracks

I don't know where he received his true conservative values from but when he was in office he was a bit more, for a lack of better term, neocon? Not really but something did change.

I respect the man a great deal for what he did with Russia and seeing the wall fall down. A great man, not a perfect man or great politician but a great man.

Donald? I can't help but to dislike him right off and his tv shows don't help that any.

 

[McLaren]

He was a movie star yes. Shockingly they let him slip through the cracks

I don't know where he received his true conservative values from but when he was in office he was a bit more, for a lack of better term, neocon? Not really but something did change.

I respect the man a great deal for what he did with Russia and seeing the wall fall down. A great man, not a perfect man or great politician but a great man.

Donald? I can't help but to dislike him right off and his tv shows don't help that any.

I didn't mean it as a comparison btw, just an observation that the public was very familiar with them in the media before taking up politics.

Of course, as you've proven, they'll both be popular for different reasons. So, fair enough with your view. I know his show turned up the corniness when he brought on celebrities.

 

[Sanji Himura]

I don't know where he received his true conservative values from but when he was in office he was a bit more, for a lack of better term, neocon? Not really but something did change.

I know where. Before he served as Governor of California, he was asked by GE to host the General Electric Theater in 1954. During that time, he travelled the country to give speeches to over 200,000 GE employees as a motivational speaker. Reagan wrote his own speeches, which were non-partisan but carried a conservative, pro-business message. Reagan was heavily influenced by a man named Lemuel Boulware, a GE executive. Boulware, known for his tough stance against unions and his strategies to win over workers, championed the core tenets of what became modern American conservatism: free markets, anticommunism, lower taxes, and limited government.

While Reagan was eager for a larger stage, he was not allowed to enter politics by GE, so he quit and registered as a Republican.

 

[xyloscissor]

I'll take you for your word, thanks for the info 👍

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Reagan technically a celebrity like Trump became so, before he entered politics as well? I know he did films early on in his life.

Nah Reagan supposedly gets a pass in this world too, I didn't make the rules some other user did. I'm just following them


***this is all sarcasm just in case others don't see it.

 

[eran0004]

Is this the first US election you've paid attention to? Last time, nothing you're claiming or predicting is new; all been said before about past Presidents.

The backlash comment is particularly amusing because that was said about Bush before he somehow pulled off a 2nd term to people's amazement.

Bush was not elected on an anti-establishment platform.

 

[xyloscissor]

Bush was not elected on an anti-establishment platform.

No matter how strong someone is or what they might say in election time is above the establishment, that's why it is the establishment. No outsiders allowed seriously.

If you can ignore my tinfoil hat for one moment I will simply drop a name, JFK.

 

[McLaren]

Bush was not elected on an anti-establishment platform.

Doesn't matter. Stop trying to defend this notion Trump is some unique being doing never-before-seen things as a President.

 

[xyloscissor]

Trump as an elect is a bit unique in my book, it's not unique in a particularly bad way. We were founded as a country by rich businessman were we not?

 

[eran0004]

Doesn't matter. Stop trying to defend this notion Trump is some unique being doing never-before-seen things as a President.

Why should I stop just because you have a different opinion?

He is unique. The guy is a borderline fascist and it's sad to see the attempts to try to normalise his behaviour, pretending that he's just like everyone else before him.

 

[xyloscissor]

Oh I have to step in here, a borderline fascist? Dear lord no he is not, as a matter of fact he has been a huge dem supporter for years, even supporting the Clintons. Use your resources would you?

 

[Tornado]

Now Trump is the first elected official who is anti-establishment?

 

[Dennisch]

Now Trump is the elected official who is anti-establishment?

Hillary and her sheeple, of course.

 

[FoRiZon]

To be fair, Buzzfeed is like the liberal version of Breitbart.

 

[Dotini]

To be fair, Buzzfeed is like the liberal version of Breitbart.

The north and south poles of fake news! Now, with CNN, NYT and WaPo jumping in with both feet and rolling their own fake news to suit their favored agendas, parties and candidates, we have a fake news clagfest (nods to David Hobbs). The establishment is laying shattered like a broken mirror on the ground. I fail to see how a consensus on what is real can be achieved under the current paradigm of free-wheeling polarization of...virtually everything.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I know where. Before he served as Governor of California, he was asked by GE to host the General Electric Theater in 1954. During that time, he travelled the country to give speeches to over 200,000 GE employees as a motivational speaker. Reagan wrote his own speeches, which were non-partisan but carried a conservative, pro-business message. Reagan was heavily influenced by a man named Lemuel Boulware, a GE executive. Boulware, known for his tough stance against unions and his strategies to win over workers, championed the core tenets of what became modern American conservatism: free markets, anticommunism, lower taxes, and limited government.

While Reagan was eager for a larger stage, he was not allowed to enter politics by GE, so he quit and registered as a Republican.

Reagan actually started out as a registered Democrat, campaigning for Democrats in the 50's and encouraging Eisenhower to run for POTUS, as a Democrat.

Why should I stop just because you have a different opinion?

He is unique. The guy is a borderline fascist and it's sad to see the attempts to try to normalise his behaviour, pretending that he's just like everyone else before him.

I was wondering how long it would take before the buzzwords and drive by media soundbites would come out.

 

[ryzno]

So they have officially started an investigation of the FBI, in response to the info release during the election.

They can't just admit they lost...

 

[xyloscissor]

So they have officially started an investigation of the FBI, in response to the info release during the election.

They can't just admit they lost...

The immaturity is boggling to the mind. Many of us are not happy with having Trump to be fair but he is our president and deserves far better than this. It's come to the point of disrespecting not only the office but everything the country stands for.

 

[Dotini]

The immaturity is boggling to the mind. Many of us are not happy with having Trump to be fair but he is our president and deserves far better than this. It's come to the point of disrespecting not only the office but everything the country stands for.

Liberals, progressives and leftists would rather tear the country apart and have their states secede from the union rather than live happy, prosperous and peacefully united under an anti-establishment change-agent like Donald Trump. They fear him too greatly. I don't see this situation improving for some time to come.

 

[xyloscissor]

I firmly believe it takes hard times to open eyes, it's all too easy to squawk when times are good. There is a reason for the order we have and have tried to maintain.

Let the floodgates open
no please don't.

 

[Dotini]

I firmly believe it takes hard times to open eyes, it's all too easy to squawk when times are good. There is a reason for the order we have and have tried to maintain.

Let the floodgates open
no please don't.

Yes, I agree it will take some great test to both Trump and for the people to again unite under a common purpose. Exactly what that test may be is unknown. It could be one of a number of things, from war to climate collapse or financial collapse. Maybe alien invasion? But one day the test - and the real trauma - will come.

 

[Dennisch]

I've said it before, but what if Trump becomes one of the greatest Presidents ever?* Blooming economy, no new wars, improved relations with the enemy, and last but not least, making the world think positive about the US again.

Would all of those with the wet eyes of anger and despair admit they were wrong?




*just speculation. Don't cry about that it never will happen.

 

[Dotini]

I've said it before, but what if Trump becomes one of the greatest Presidents ever?* Blooming economy, no new wars, improved relations with the enemy, and last but not least, making the world think positive about the US again.

Would all of those with the wet eyes of anger and despair admit they were wrong?

*just speculation. Don't cry about that it never will happen.

Great question!

Firstly, it's very unlikely Trump will be able to achieve peace, prosperity and that new era of good feelings you refer to. Our debts, obligations, internal and external divisions and polarizations are simply too great. Too much can and probably will go wrong.

And even if something like peace and prosperity were to miraculously occur, those ideologically polarized against Trump and anything remotely conservative/pragmatic could never be reconciled. Fear, paranoia and delusion run deep. However, those few liberals who are also pragmatists may be privately gladdened, but even so may never admit it.

 

[samurai8juice]

Why is Rex Tillerson nominated to be Secretary of State? He's the CEO of a multinational oil company, why would he know anything about foreign affairs?

http://time.com/4634078/rex-tillerson-south-china-sea-donald-trump/

There's definite red flags, if the house allows him to serve as Secretary of State, it's suicide.

Also, he remarks how China's island building strategy is illegal and “akin to Russia’s taking of Crimea"; a surprising statement considering Trump's pro-Russia stance.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Why is Rex Tillerson nominated to be Secretary of State? He's the CEO of a multinational oil company, why would he know anything about foreign affairs?

http://time.com/4634078/rex-tillerson-south-china-sea-donald-trump/

There's definite red flags, if the house allows him to serve as Secretary of State, it's suicide.

Also, he remarks how China's island building strategy is illegal and “akin to Russia’s taking of Crimea"; a surprising statement considering Trump's pro-Russia stance.

One of our former Prime Ministers is equally concerned, especially if Tillerson pushes towards a confrontation with China:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-us-of-threatening-australia-with-war/8181160

 

[Dotini]

I would ignore all the jibber-jabber these nominees are spouting in their confirmation hearings.

It's all for the benefit of of the posing, pouting and pontificating senators who need to confirm them.

Once confirmed, they all do the bidding of the president.

It is only he you need be concerned about. Which is plenty enough.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I've said it before, but what if Trump becomes one of the greatest Presidents ever?* Blooming economy, no new wars, improved relations with the enemy, and last but not least, making the world think positive about the US again.

Would all of those with the wet eyes of anger and despair admit they were wrong?




*just speculation. Don't cry about that it never will happen.

No they'll claim Obama set the tone

 

[McLaren]

Why should I stop just because you have a different opinion?

He is unique. The guy is a borderline fascist and it's sad to see the attempts to try to normalise his behaviour, pretending that he's just like everyone else before him.

It's not an opinion.

A President breaking campaign promises? Not new.
A President electing questionable folks to his cabinet? Not new.
An outsider who even made it that far to be President? Not new.
Claims that a President will face backlash more than any other? Definitely not new.

BTW, you forgot to throw in racist & sexist as well. I know your source of info uses those words as well to describe Trump to validate their argument.