[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

[Adamgp]

I wish I could have seen the whole debate, was just too tired. I think I only missed the last 30 minutes though.

 

[Robin]

What's this about Trump owning and wanting to turn off the internet?

If your Muslim as well as not being allowed in the country your also not allowed the have the internet!

 

[Swagger897]

I wish I could have seen the whole debate, was just too tired. I think I only missed the last 30 minutes though.

Then you didn't miss much. The bulk of it was all in the middle hour.

 

[Adamgp]

Then you didn't miss much. The bulk of it was all in the middle hour.

I kind of figured. Just wish they would put these on air earlier.

 

[Keef]

The primary reason I don't like him is the "I'll get the best people" thing.

If there's anything Trump is actually good at it, it's finding people who are well qualified to do a good job. He employs a lot of executive-type people under him and they're jobs all revolve around satisfying customers efficiently and sustainably.

 

[Swagger897]

If there's anything Trump is actually good at it, it's finding people who are well qualified to do a good job. He employs a lot of executive-type people under him and they're jobs all revolve around satisfying customers efficiently and sustainably.

True, but if one person is to screw up that the job Donald assigned to them, then what do we have left to do for the blame, and who take responsibility?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's touching on a core issue though: how to stop dangerous ideas from being spread. Is it even possible?

The first step is to stop convincing ourselves that radicalisation is a technological problem when it is fundamentally a social issue. In the case of Donald Trump, that means that he needs to stop being the personification of everything the terrorists hate. His policies might sound effective, but they come at the expense of the relationship with the wider Muslim community.

 

[eran0004]

The first step is to stop convincing ourselves that radicalisation is a technological problem when it is fundamentally a social issue. In the case of Donald Trump, that means that he needs to stop being the personification of everything the terrorists hate. His policies might sound effective, but they come at the expense of the relationship with the wider Muslim community.

I think the terrorists love Donald Trump. It's hard to polarize a community all by yourself.

 

[Dennisch]

If there's anything Trump is actually good at it, it's finding people who are well qualified to do a good job. He employs a lot of executive-type people under him and they're jobs all revolve around satisfying customers efficiently and sustainably.

So, what you are saying is that Trump might be the man who gets the US government working properly again! Including the Senate!

 

[Johnnypenso]

True, but if one person is to screw up that the job Donald assigned to them, then what do we have left to do for the blame, and who take responsibility?

Ultimate responsibility goes to the person in charge.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I think the terrorists love Donald Trump.

And people like Trump love the idea of a vicious and malicious entity existing outside the state because so long as there is a threat, people like Trump can indulge of the politics of fear and keep power. His policies might keep you safe from day to day, but in the long term, they do nothing to address the root cause. Groups like ISIS "prove" the righteousness of Trump's way of life; if ISIS was destroyed tomorrow, then how will Trump "prove" that his way of life is superior a year from now?

 

[Sanji Himura]

Hillary, Bush, Rubio are all bought and paid for by the elite/special interest/big business.

Source required. We usually have a pretty high standard for people who are throwing around random accusations of that nature around here. While it is true that Trump is financing his campaign with his own money, slapping the bought and paid for label on everyone else just because they are accepting donations (regardless of source) is not a very fair one to make at any level of the campaign.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The reason for this paranoia regarding Trump is that he isn't controlled by anyone. Hillary, Bush, Rubio are all bought and paid for by the elite/special interest/big business.

Interesting to see the breakdown of a big Trump... I'd actually thought that he was self financed. Apparently not.

 

[Sanji Himura]

The Blaze Unscientific Poll: Ted Cruz won last night's debate. As of post time, 39% of the people who voted in the Blaze's debate poll thought that the Texas Senator won the GOP debate last night with Donald Trump following close behind with 36% of the vote. Bringing up third place was Rand Paul with 12% of the vote.

Results as of 4:44pm local time:

Ted Cruz: 39%
Donald Trump: 36%
Rand Paul: 12%
Marco Rubio: 5%
Ben Carson: 3%
Carly Fiorina: 2%
Chris Christie: 2%
Jon Kasich: 1%
Jeb Bush: 1%

 

[Swagger897]

Woohoo... Go Rand

 

[Keef]

So, what you are saying is that Trump might be the man who gets the US government working properly again! Including the Senate!

No. As President, he wouldn't have the authority to do that. The only decisions he could really make would be his cabinet members and a Supreme Court justice or two. And with his brand of ethics that he's put on display, he probably wouldn't be able to choose people who would respect the rights of those represented very well. While he's good at picking people who can do a job, doing a job and doing it within the confines of law and reason is something completely different.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee to investigate Cruz for his comments in last night's debate that may have exposed "Classified" information. [Personal opinion: Neat trick considering that Cruz isn't on that committee to hear the information, and the statistics were open sourced, see here and here.]

Honestly, can anyone see the irony here? You have one front runner who actually did leak classified material and not being investigated criminally, and another who quoted an open source and is being treated like a criminal.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...iscussed-classified-information-during-debate

 

[Dotini]

The Blaze Unscientific Poll...Results as of 4:44pm local time:

Ted Cruz: 39%
Donald Trump: 36%
Rand Paul: 12%
Marco Rubio: 5%
Ben Carson: 3%
Carly Fiorina: 2%
Chris Christie: 2%
Jon Kasich: 1%
Jeb Bush: 1%

No better result could be desired; the anti-neocon/"antiwar"/libertarian/"isolationist" wing of the party is getting the lion's share, and the others are all sucking hind tit. I'm so happy I could shout "whoopee!"

Rand Paul excelled himself, finally.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/12/16/gop-debate-triumph-isolationism/

 

[Sanji Himura]

In case anyone cares, here is some official poll numbers before the debate for the GOP:

National
Source: ABC News/Washington Post
Trump: 38%
Cruz: 15%
Rubio: 12%
Carson: 12%
Bush: 5%
Christie: 4%
Paul: 2%
Fiorina: 1%
[Adult Table Cutoff Point]
Huckabee: 1%
Graham: 1%
Pataki: 0%
Santorum: 0%

Iowa
Source: Loras College
Cruz: 30%
Trump: 23%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 11%
Bush: 6%
Fiorina: 3%
Paul: 2%
[Adult Table Cutoff Point]
Huckabee: 1%
Graham: 1%
Pataki: 0%
Santorum: 0%
Christie: 0%*

*National Polls influenced CNN's lineup, not Statewide polling. That is why Christie made it on the Adult Table despite pulling in 0 support in Iowa.

One thing to note here, I was watching Anderson Cooper's predebate coverage, and one of the analysts actually made a comment that the CNN debate could be the last one to feature a kiddie table. Now I don't know if the FOX debate will feature one or not, it will all depend on the moderator, but I think that the time for kid candidates is over.

 

[Swagger897]

In case anyone cares, here is some official poll numbers before the debate for the GOP:

National
Source: ABC News/Washington Post
Trump: 38%
Cruz: 15%
Rubio: 12%
Carson: 12%
Bush: 5%
Christie: 4%
Paul: 2%
Fiorina: 1%
[Adult Table Cutoff Point]
Huckabee: 1%
Graham: 1%
Pataki: 0%
Santorum: 0%

Iowa
Source: Loras College
Cruz: 30%
Trump: 23%
Rubio: 11%
Carson: 11%
Bush: 6%
Fiorina: 3%
Paul: 2%
[Adult Table Cutoff Point]
Huckabee: 1%
Graham: 1%
Pataki: 0%
Santorum: 0%
Christie: 0%*

*National Polls influenced CNN's lineup, not Statewide polling. That is why Christie made it on the Adult Table despite pulling in 0 support in Iowa.

One thing to note here, I was watching Anderson Cooper's predebate coverage, and one of the analysts actually made a comment that the CNN debate could be the last one to feature a kiddie table. Now I don't know if the FOX debate will feature one or not, it will all depend on the moderator, but I think that the time for kid candidates is over.

Agreed. I expect Christie to drop out any moment now in the coming weeks, I don't see him going far, no where near the distance of Jeb or someone of the like. The attorney general thing is wearing on me real fast.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Agreed. I expect Christie to drop out any moment now in the coming weeks, I don't see him going far, no where near the distance of Jeb or someone of the like. The attorney general thing is wearing on me real fast.

Christie will last until New Hampshire, at the very least. He knows that he has lost Iowa, and is going all in on New Hampshire, where he is a bit strong there. No, the next one to fall is Ben Carson, unfortunately. He didn't do well at the debate Tuesday, and his polling will show it.

 

[Swagger897]

Christie will last until New Hampshire, at the very least. He knows that he has lost Iowa, and is going all in on New Hampshire, where he is a bit strong there. No, the next one to fall is Ben Carson, unfortunately. He didn't do well at the debate Tuesday, and his polling will show it.

eh..... I don't know about that.. NH is right next to Vermont (I know we're just talking about the Republican side but...), and something tells me Christie doesn't have much hope for a state he knows he wont have during the election. I don't see him waiting it out that long.


And although Carson was quite the majority of the night, I don't think he'll be gone too soon. He still has more support than others on the stage, but he didn't gain anything... Doesn't mean he lost it all, but still.

I see it as this: Christie, Fiorina (however long this may take), Carson... After that I have no idea where it goes. Kaisich said he's sticking to it until independently running, and I see it as a battle between Jeb, Marco, and Cruze. Donald sometime after January/February, is going to be taking flak soon, and somewhere later on, it's gonna be the end to him realistically. Rand, well, I hope he stays in, so I don't know when he drops. But if it becomes a battle of the Senate + Jeb, then I hope Rand is still there.

 

[Sanji Himura]

eh..... I don't know about that.. NH is right next to Vermont (I know we're just talking about the Republican side but...), and something tells me Christie doesn't have much hope for a state he knows he wont have during the election. I don't see him waiting it out that long.


And although Carson was quite the majority of the night, I don't think he'll be gone too soon. He still has more support than others on the stage, but he didn't gain anything... Doesn't mean he lost it all, but still.

I see it as this: Christie, Fiorina (however long this may take), Carson... After that I have no idea where it goes. Kaisich said he's sticking to it until independently running, and I see it as a battle between Jeb, Marco, and Cruze. Donald sometime after January/February, is going to be taking flak soon, and somewhere later on, it's gonna be the end to him realistically. Rand, well, I hope he stays in, so I don't know when he drops. But if it becomes a battle of the Senate + Jeb, then I hope Rand is still there.

I hope that Rand is Cruz's running mate. There, I said it. The only realistic way that a Paul has to gaining the white house is by serving as VP.

 

[Swagger897]

I hope that Rand is Cruz's running mate. There, I said it. The only realistic way that a Paul has to gaining the white house is by serving as VP.

More than likely...

 

[Sanji Himura]

Major update to the Ted Cruz investigation. Turns out that the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr of North Carolina, had not watched the debate Tuesday. His choice of entertainment? The Voice season finale. In a quote provided to the AP, Burr said, “The Voice was on. It was the final episode."

Also, Cruz campaign spokesperson Catherine Frazier mentioned a Washington Post article as well as a Wall Street Journal article from 2014 that basically proved that half the statement that Cruz made during the debate was open sourced. The other half of the statement was sourced from a NSA official's congressional testimony to Congress that stated that the USA Freedom Act could expand the universe of calls available to the agency to search. The material, Frazier noted, is “all publicly available.”

Also guess who is on the Intelligence Committee? Marco Rubio.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...eleased-classified-information-during-debate/

 

[TenEightyOne]

Major update to the Ted Cruz investigation. Turns out that the Chairman of the Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr of North Carolina, had not watched the debate Tuesday. His choice of entertainment? The Voice season finale. In a quote provided to the AP, Burr said, “The Voice was on. It was the final episode."

Also, Cruz campaign spokesperson Catherine Frazier mentioned a Washington Post article as well as a Wall Street Journal article from 2014 that basically proved that half the statement that Cruz made during the debate was open sourced. The other half of the statement was sourced from a NSA official's congressional testimony to Congress that stated that the USA Freedom Act could expand the universe of calls available to the agency to search. The material, Frazier noted, is “all publicly available.”

Also guess who is on the Intelligence Committee? Marco Rubio.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...eleased-classified-information-during-debate/

I'm not sure why this is a story? Burr was asked if the figures Cruz used ("nearly 100%" instead of the "20 to 30%" figure that Cruz's own team supplied from the Washington post article) were in the public domain. He doesn't know and asked his team to look at it. Isn't that exactly how the system should work?

 

[1241Penguin]

Not sure if sarcasm...

 

[TenEightyOne]

Not sure if sarcasm...

Hard to know, maybe it's the tactful diplomatic line when questioned on somebody who may be the next president of a superpower. Or the political stratosphere has become one big YouTube comments feed.

 

[Sanji Himura]

I'm not sure why this is a story? Burr was asked if the figures Cruz used ("nearly 100%" instead of the "20 to 30%" figure that Cruz's own team supplied from the Washington post article) were in the public domain. He doesn't know and asked his team to look at it. Isn't that exactly how the system should work?

As I have stated over my two posts on the matter, we have one presidential front runner who DID leak classified materials in Hillary Clinton, and is not being properly investigated for the matter, and you have one front runner who said open sourced materials being targeted like a criminal in Ted Cruz. The biggest benefactor in all of this is Marco Rubio, who just so happened to have Senator Burr on speed dial most likely, and will issue attack ads against Cruz on the subject VERY shortly.

The fact that NONE of the NSA official's testimony was either classified nor redacted really does speak on Rubio's problem, actually. This whole gambit will most likely backfire.

 

[TenEightyOne]

As I have stated over my two posts on the matter, we have one presidential front runner who DID leak classified materials in Hillary Clinton, and is not being properly investigated for the matter,

Whether your claim that "it isn't being properly investigated" is true or not that issue has no bearing on this one. The fact stands that accusations of impropriety should be sensibly, maturely investigated.

you have one front runner who said open sourced materials being targeted like a criminal in Ted Cruz.

Targeted like a criminal? In your link it just says that Burr has been asked whether or not that information was in the public domain. Sounds like an administrative exercise to me unless Cruz has been cuffed and barred?

The biggest benefactor in all of this is Marco Rubio, who just so happened to have Senator Burr on speed dial most likely, and will issue attack ads against Cruz on the subject VERY shortly.

The fact that NONE of the NSA official's testimony was either classified nor redacted really does speak on Rubio's problem, actually. This whole gambit will most likely backfire.

Welcome to politics. Still, try not to get as excited as Rubio, it's bad for the nerves