[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?

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ukfan758
It seems like a high school student made this judging at the quality :lol:.
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The Trump has clarified that the video footage of the Moroccan border was used intentionally "to illustrate what the Mexican border could be like".

Elsewhere political commentators are noting that the usual use of campaign videos is to attract new voters, there seem to be a number who think that The Trump is just re-inflating old messages for those who already support him. It's either a clever tactic or somewhat of a "miss", they suggest.
 
Wait, I know he wants a wall on the southern border (why not for those sketchy Canadians?), but he thinks he can force Mexico to pay for it? Wut? How?

As for quality, it's typical of attack ads around here.
 
Rich S
Will be interesting to see what happens. He's a straight talker, like Trump in some ways but obviously not ideologically. Hillary and Cruz are both revolting to a lot of people, yet somehow they are high up on the totem pole. Cruz looks almost like one of those dummies from a horror movie, the ones that come alive and do terrible things. Hillary is like a female Hitler, its just depressing.
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"Hillary is like a female Hitler"? What on earth does this mean? She intends to invade bordering countries? Wage total war across entire continents for territorial gain? Send millions of people to concentration camps & exterminate them?

Please. Some perspective. Ever since the Clintons came along the right has waged an unending propaganda war against them. Bill Clinton was claimed to be (like Obama) an extreme left-winger, a socialist radical intent on upturning American values (like Obama). And they hated Hillary for being a strong, intelligent, educated, careerist, independent woman.

The Clintons are certainly opportunists & have done some questionable things in their political & personal careers, but not much different from most other people in similar positions, especially those who, unlike the Bushes for instance, had to fight for their political & financial position. Hillary is now an extremely practiced political operative with a lot of experience of government & foreign policy. She's about as centrist as they come & the Presidency under her watch would almost certainly be "business-as-usual". How does that make her a "female Hitler"?

Cruz, however, IS like a dummy from a horror movie, or ... if you prefer, like a female Carly Fiorina - intelligent, articulate, but completely hard-edged & charmless. I just can't see him winning the support of the majority of Americans.
 
Biggles
Please. Some perspective. Ever since the Clintons came along the right has waged an unending propaganda war against them. Bill Clinton was claimed to be (like Obama) an extreme left-winger, a socialist radical intent on upturning American values (like Obama). And they hated Hillary for being a strong, intelligent, educated, careerist, independent woman.
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Here is some perspective on Hillary. Remember PVT. Bradley Manning? (now known as Chelsea Manning.) He was convicted of violations of the Espionage Act after emailing classified material to Julian Assange. Now if Private Manning got 35 years for basically embarrassing the Hillary State Department to the entire world, why isn't Hillary being prosecuted for not keeping her State Department emails on a State Department server (as a matter of public record), deleting some of the said emails from her private server because she deemed "private", and finally passing along classified material (at the time) on said unsecured server to her top personal aids who had no such required classification to see it? I mean pick your poison here. What I, and quite frankly everyone else's, stance on Assange is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Hillary Clinton committed the same crime that Manning did, got caught, and the latter is serving 35 years in prison while the other is running for President of the United States.

EDIT: It should also be worth noting that Manning would have also been charged with Aiding an Enemy as well, which carries the Death penalty.
 
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To be quite frank the entire email saga is becoming the tired story.

At the time, there was no requirement until halfway through her position in office to make it mandatory to switch to secured state server held email address. And if no information has been found leaked, stolen, hacked, etc, and if it is no longer classified now, why does it matter.

You know, I used to give her the death grip about this, but to be honest, as Bernie put it best, we're sick and tired of hearing about her damn emails.


I'd rather see something done about Benghazi, or anything else you can dig out from the underside of you fingernails, except these emails.
 
Swagger897
To be quite frank the entire email saga is becoming the tired story.

At the time, there was no requirement until halfway through her position in office to make it mandatory to switch to secured state server held email address. And if no information has been found leaked, stolen, hacked, etc, and if it is no longer classified now, why does it matter.

You know, I used to give her the death grip about this, but to be honest, as Bernie put it best, we're sick and tired of hearing about her damn emails.


I'd rather see something done about Benghazi, or anything else you can dig out from the underside of you fingernails, except these emails.
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The fact that they couldn't find the emails until after the news cycle moved on and everyone started saying that they are sick and tired of hearing about them sends up flags for me. It's like signing an unpopular law on Christmas.
 
Sanji Himura
Here is some perspective on Hillary. Remember PVT. Bradley Manning? (now known as Chelsea Manning.) He was convicted of violations of the Espionage Act after emailing classified material to Julian Assange. Now if Private Manning got 35 years for basically embarrassing the Hillary State Department to the entire world, why isn't Hillary being prosecuted for not keeping her State Department emails on a State Department server (as a matter of public record), deleting some of the said emails from her private server because she deemed "private", and finally passing along classified material (at the time) on said unsecured server to her top personal aids who had no such required classification to see it? I mean pick your poison here. What I, and quite frankly everyone else's, stance on Assange is irrelevant. What is relevant is that Hillary Clinton committed the same crime that Manning did, got caught, and the latter is serving 35 years in prison while the other is running for President of the United States.

EDIT: It should also be worth noting that Manning would have also been charged with Aiding an Enemy as well, which carries the Death penalty.
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Yes, of course: you're right, bad Email etiquette IS the same as gassing 6 million Jews in concentration camps, initiating a war that kills tens of millions across the globe & ends with bringing your own country to total ruin. :rolleyes:
 
FoolKiller
The fact that they couldn't find the emails until after the news cycle moved on and everyone started saying that they are sick and tired of hearing about them sends up flags for me. It's like signing an unpopular law on Christmas.
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In a way yes.

But as we all know, in this country you are innocent until proven otherwise (I won't say guilty, because the fact you even were acquitted will stay with you forever). At first, like I said earlier, I didn't really like the fact that she was exchanging such information with her aide, until I delved into the facts a bit more. If no one was to force her at the time to make the switch, then why is it that those on the panel who push so hard against her as to why she kept the data on the server, not originally push against her while she was still in her position in office?

I think I read your post right, I'm not sure though. All I know is I'm over it, as it was just another failed partisan attempt to prop republicans back to the top and make democrats look like devilish figures.


Or in this case Hitler..
 
Winters Noble
I don't think it will be topped anytime soon. In my opinion, he's a joke that's gone on for too long.
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Oh I don't think you've seen anything yet. I think this campaign will be the nastiest in my memory and will probably set a new low standard for behaviour among national level politicians.

Biggles
Please. Some perspective. Ever since the Clintons came along the right has waged an unending propaganda war against them. Bill Clinton was claimed to be (like Obama) an extreme left-winger, a socialist radical intent on upturning American values (like Obama). And they hated Hillary for being a strong, intelligent, educated, careerist, independent woman.

Cruz, however, IS like a dummy from a horror movie, or ... if you prefer, like a female Carly Fiorina - intelligent, articulate, but completely hard-edged & charmless. I just can't see him winning the support of the majority of Americans.
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Certainly, let's have some perspective on the Clintons but Cruz, well he's like a dummy from a horror movie, no perspective needed for him amiright:lol:
 
Johnnypenso
Certainly, let's have some perspective on the Clintons but Cruz, well he's like a dummy from a horror movie, no perspective needed for him amiright:lol:
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It's called a joke, Johnny. No, I don't ACTUALLY think he's like a dummy from a horror movie.
 
Latvija27
Hillary Clinton and Donald trump are the worst its like voting for the lesser of two evils.
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The "worst" in what way? Trump is undoubtedly an "outlier", but Clinton? She is an entirely middle-of-the-road, establishment US politician whose administration would certainly be a "status quo", slightly to the left of an average establishment Republican, administration.
 
Biggles
The "worst" in what way? Trump is undoubtedly an "outlier", but Clinton? She is an entirely middle-of-the-road, establishment US politician whose administration would certainly be a "status quo", slightly to the left of an average establishment Republican, administration.
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Spoken like a true liberal. But regardless, even if you were right (which I don't think you are), the establishment US politician is its own special kind of evil.
 
Biggles
The "worst" in what way? Trump is undoubtedly an "outlier", but Clinton? She is an entirely middle-of-the-road, establishment US politician whose administration would certainly be a "status quo", slightly to the left of an average establishment Republican, administration.
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If "status quo" means a continuation of ruinous wars, unsustainable debt, political corruption and social decay, you are welcome to her. Both parties are guilty, and at the moment, the voters seem to feel that an outsider (or three) is a necessary element in the campaign.
 
R1600Turbo
There are others you know. Too much focus being put on those two.
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No, there really are no others if the polls are to be believed. Trump is the prohibitive favorite of the Republican party, and Hilary of the Democrats. And Trump will very likely win election, as Hilary has too many vulnerabilities that Donald will only be too happy to exploit.

I will be voting for the libertarian, as I have in the four preceding elections.
 
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