[POLL] United States Presidential Elections 2016

The party nominees are named. Now who do you support?

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Biggles
& the reason it's so expensive is because it is so valued for non-commercial reasons.
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Are you claiming that jewelry is non-commercial? By all definitions of the adjective, it is commercial.
 
Hey @Sanji Himura, how about adding a poll. No, not about which precious metal is the shiniest, but with the remaining candidates.

I'm really curious how many GTpers support Bernie Sanders.
 
Chrunch Houston
Hey @Sanji Himura, how about adding a poll. No, not about which precious metal is the shiniest, but with the remaining candidates.

I'm really curious how many GTpers support Bernie Sanders.
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I was really waiting until the nominees were set before I did it, but I can do it now since there are only 6 remaining.
 
Sanji Himura
I was really waiting until the nominees were set before I did it, but I can do it now since there are only 6 remaining.
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Thanks for that, and thanks for the change your vote button. That is exactly how I would of set the poll up.
 
Ted Cruz wins Maine.

Blitz24
How come "Other" isn't an option?
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No third party of note is running primaries. It will be added once we hit the general election.

ELECTION CALL: Bernie Sanders wins Nebraska, FOX News is projecting.

ELECTION CALL: Hillary Clinton wins Louisiana, FOX News is projecting.

ELECTION CALL: Donald Trump wins Louisiana, Fox news is projecting.

ELECTION CALL: Donald Trump wins Kentucky, Fox News is projecting.

ELECTION CALL: Bernie Sanders wins Kansas, the AP is reporting.
 
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Biggles
Yes, you're right. I imagine gold would be used a lot more for functional/industrial purposes if it weren't so expensive ... & the reason it's so expensive is because it is so valued for non-commercial reasons. It's a circular relationship. But I think it's fair to say that its value as a commodity isn't primarily based on its functional usefulness. And the market for gold, like the market for diamonds, is also a manipulated one. Consider the question of oil - one of the most straightforwardly "functional" commodities there is. A few years ago it was worth 3 - 4 times what it's selling for now.
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That isn't what is being argued, rather your thought that it has no purpose other than the latter as opposed to the former, which is industrial based one. The argument is about you lacking the belief on a known fact by many engineers in computing and electrical as well as aerospace, on the many uses of gold for its characteristics that aren't jewelry based. Gold's never had fluctuations as vast and opposing from time to time as oil has for decades, rather Gold and other precious metals retain their value more consistently, probably because they've got multiple uses rather than being a fuel or a plastic as well as one type of source (gold ore).* Nor does gold like oils in some areas have a cartel over seeing it that adjusts the markets to its liking to those it handles oil for or imports from them. This is because Gold isn't a vast commodity thus the market isn't over saturated or under saturated like it can be with Oil. Also unlike diamonds (unless you're a modern day alchemist that's found how) there is no possible way to artificially make it, which is why the diamond market tends to fluctuate or dip.

I'm not resource economist, just explaining difference for why these things mainly happen or possibly. And why your oil example falls flat, because at this time due to the various ways of getting oil (as I've said) there is over production and when there is too much of something in a free market, prices go down and do so in a competitive fashion to still outsell others in the same market.

The other interesting part is that gold isn't even the foremost (nor diamonds) fought over resource. But one of a few, with others being Tin and Tungsten for example. Because of their industrial uses like gold. Not because of being a 20 year old bride to be using it as the primary construction of a ring.




*observations of both over the past couple of decades, not 100% for sure or saying this is absolute. So I don't have my post misconstrued.
 
With Immunity granted, I doubt this will work well for Hillary, there is clearly something in this for the installer to site 5th amendment rights.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
That isn't what is being argued, rather your thought that it has no purpose other than the latter as opposed to the former, which is industrial based one. The argument is about you lacking the belief on a known fact by many engineers in computing and electrical as well as aerospace, on the many uses of gold for its characteristics that aren't jewelry based. Gold's never had fluctuations as vast and opposing from time to time as oil has for decades, rather Gold and other precious metals retain their value more consistently, probably because they've got multiple uses rather than being a fuel or a plastic as well as one type of source (gold ore).* Nor does gold like oils in some areas have a cartel over seeing it that adjusts the markets to its liking to those it handles oil for or imports from them. This is because Gold isn't a vast commodity thus the market isn't over saturated or under saturated like it can be with Oil. Also unlike diamonds (unless you're a modern day alchemist that's found how) there is no possible way to artificially make it, which is why the diamond market tends to fluctuate or dip.

I'm not resource economist, just explaining difference for why these things mainly happen or possibly. And why your oil example falls flat, because at this time due to the various ways of getting oil (as I've said) there is over production and when there is too much of something in a free market, prices go down and do so in a competitive fashion to still outsell others in the same market.

The other interesting part is that gold isn't even the foremost (nor diamonds) fought over resource. But one of a few, with others being Tin and Tungsten for example. Because of their industrial uses like gold. Not because of being a 20 year old bride to be using it as the primary construction of a ring.
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I can't carry on this discussion indefinitely, as it is far off-topic. I'm not a resource economist either, but my comments are based on conversations with my friend - an accountant with the world's largest gold mining company (which also mines huge quantities of other metals). Gold does have "industrial" (kind of a clumsy term in this-day-&-age) uses. I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that other metals could be used for these purposes.

Gold as jewelry is an important business, albeit oddly self-referencing. My great grandmother would have regarded gold as "vulgar" - all her jewelry was was set in platinum.

Gold has more uses than oil? Oil is different from gold because it is massively more useful - it is valuable because it is used, while gold is valuable (in a way) because it isn't used. Without oil the entire modern world would come grinding to a halt. No transportation, no plastics? If, starting tomorrow, no more oil was produced the consequences for the world economy & the way people live their lives would be immediate & devastating. Even relatively small changes to the production of oil have huge effects on the price, because of how useful it is. Do you really think the same thing is true of gold production?

On the subject of Trump: he has been compared to Hitler or Mussolini, but the more pertinent comparison would be Silvio Berlusconi.

Dotini's cagey promotion of the Donald on GTPlanet can be seen as a cynical attempt to secure his access to the future bunga bunga events destined for the White House.
 

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Gold is used as a Currency Reserve incase of market failures and high inflation as well, the Value skyrockets when this happens.
 
It is a decent rant I'll say that much :lol:

The truth to the American people is....... a Mormon? Pls, I'm sorry if the truth offends.
 
squadops
It is a decent rant I'll say that much :lol:

The truth to the American people is....... a Mormon? Pls, I'm sorry if the truth offends.
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How dare you!!! Joseph Smith was a great man, who happened to have a fateful encounter with a rattle snake that through god led to the great book.

But seriously Trump's hand are "huge", in the New York business sense you know, not Dirk pro basket ball player sense.

See how easy it is to make an entire joke of everything in this election with each passing day.
 
Just out of interest, who is running on the Libertarian ticket this year?
 
All candidates are bad in my opinion, no one dare challenges the federal reserve. Puppets on the left/right. The public is given the illusion of choice, well you got no choice.
 
Gary Johnson is very good, I didn't check as I believed it to be that wacko anti virus guy. My bad.
 
It looks like Rubio's number is up... and that could spell bad news for anyone who doesn't want Trump to win. Both Trump and Cruz are calling for Rubio to drop out and make it a straight one-on-one battle for the nomination, however even if most Rubio supporters switched to Cruz, it would be Trump who'd benefit the most. With 3 serious candidates in the race, the likelihood of anyone getting over the winning line (of 50% +1) in the first round of voting is alot lower, even though Trump could feasibly do it. But with just 2 candidates, Trump stands to win unless there is a huge, concerted push behind Cruz (which is possible).

The poll is quite interesting/amusing - as we saw last time with the absurdly optimistic Ron Paul support all over the internet, it is possible to get a terribly misleading impression of someone's popularity (or otherwise) from the web. Sanders does at least enjoy a decent amount of real support, but he has no chance against Clinton.
 
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