Porsche 991 Information Released

[McLaren]

BRING BACK THE MEZGER! That will solve the problem.


Seriously though, this will be another pain, not only for GT3 owners but also the resale values.

Not a chance. GT3 production has moved onto the RS line & those will begin entering their 2nd half of production soon. Every 991 GT3 on the used market is asking over $150,000; MSRP was $130,400. If this recall does anything, it will still keep resale values at or just under MSRP. Anyone wanting out of their GT3 will have gotten the car for nothing at resale.

 

[Clark]

I hope one of the lucky buyers specs it to mimic the 1967 R. White with the decals and silver wheels. View attachment 470890

They sort of listened to me!

 

[VXR]

The purist's 991?

 

[Stotty]

Haven't seen the full specs yet, but I'm kind of underwhelmed.

The original R was a proper homologation special. This looks like nothing more than a GT3RS with no rear wing.

Lazy.

 

[Clark]

It's got the 4.0 991 RS motor with a manual 'box.

 

[Stotty]

OK, RS with a manual box and no rear wing... still lazy unless there's something a bit more spectacular in the specs.

From what I've heard, only c.50kg weight saving vs the RS... though it does have some different bits in the engine.

Just another super limited run car (I heard 991 are being produced) that will get snapped up by speculators and investors, and never see the light of day again.

 

[Clark]

Don't worry @Stotty , if my numbers ever come up on the Euros I'll be buying every special 911 there's been and using them as they were built for.

 

[Stotty]

I have the same dream

 

[VXR]

It's still too generous with the equipment inside, but the N/A manual combo is hard to beat. With all but the GT3 line now FI, I think N/A fans have to root for whatever they can get now.

 

[Stotty]

All the rumors I've read about the 991 GT3 gen II say it will continue to be NA.

For me, the perfect modern non 'GT' 911 would be a 2WD, manual 997GTS. I can see these being VERY sought after in years to come... normally aspirated, manual box, 2 wheel drive, hydraulic steering, nice interior (with the alcantara GTS pack)... very few of them about as well.

 

[Cale]

All the rumors I've read about the 991 GT3 gen II say it will continue to be NA.

For me, the perfect modern non 'GT' 911 would be a 2WD, manual 997GTS. I can see these being VERY sought after in years to come... normally aspirated, manual box, 2 wheel drive, hydraulic steering, nice interior (with the alcantara GTS pack)... very few of them about as well.

Or the Sport Classic

 

[Clark]

I know my perfect modern 911

 

[Stotty]

Or the Sport Classic

Good shout... they are just a bit on the expensive side!

View attachment 519961 I know my perfect modern 911

Lovely... but again, a gen II RS is now £170K+, and they are a bit hard for daily road use.

 

[JC_Dude]

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They sort of listened to me!

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Perfection.

 

[SPhilli911]

I'm really digging this new 991 R, if only for the retro stripes and the manual gearbox. I'm surprised they didn't stick the modern Fuchs on it though, but I suppose 21" Fuchs would look silly...

On a side note, where is the 991 GT2? Wonder if they will stick to PDK in the future GT2. I say stick in a manual but keep the option for PDK, how hard can it be to do that (in the current GT3 too)?

 

[AudiMan2011]

I'm really digging this new 991 R, if only for the retro stripes and the manual gearbox. I'm surprised they didn't stick the modern Fuchs on it though, but I suppose 21" Fuchs would look silly...

On a side note, where is the 991 GT2? Wonder if they will stick to PDK in the future GT2. I say stick in a manual but keep the option for PDK, how hard can it be to do that (in the current GT3 too)?

I think a GT2 would appear in the last few years of the lifecycle.

 

[lxmmy]

I think a GT2 would appear in the last few years of the lifecycle.

We are already in the what is the probably the final years of the 991 generation as we are in the fifth year also with the 991R coming along, we may not get a GT2.

 

[TS050]

I think a GT2 would appear in the last few years of the lifecycle.

I heard there may not even be a GT2.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I think a GT2 would appear in the last few years of the lifecycle.

It's been said several times in this thread, there is no market at this time for the GT2 in the eyes of Porsche.

 

[VXR]

I'm surprised there is no market when the world is speculating on special editions of high-end cars.

A RWD Turbo S with GT3 interior wouldn't be hard to do and would be snapped up instantly, would it not?

 

[lxmmy]

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I'm surprised there is no market when the world is speculating on special editions of high-end cars.

A RWD Turbo S with GT3 interior wouldn't be hard to do and would be snapped up instantly, would it not?

Look how much leg pulling and kicking their loyal customer base had to do to get this...that alone is enough of an answer to show that Porsche just don't always see reason unless they feel like it. Perhaps this will show the incentive they'd want but who knows. The GT2 RS could have been a one off on purpose just to have that collector value we see in so many newer and much older Porsche.

 

[Heldenzeit]

Word on the street says these are being offered to 918 owners first, and there haven't been any dealer allocations.

Sounds par for the course on the special edition cars like this one.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

...I'd still rather have a Singer.

Not that I'll ever be in the market for either, but hey.

 

[niky]

...I'd still rather have a Singer.

Not that I'll ever be in the market for either, but hey.

Two, please. And I'd like mine with working eight-track players.

 

[Stotty]

I'd also rather have a Singer, but the price comparison is ludicrous, at least in Europe.

A 991R is £135k + extras (so £145k with LWFW, front lift and few other bits).

A Singer is c.£600k including taxes and import duty... more than most CGT's are priced at, and a similar level to a reasonable '73RS.... it's a massive financial step up (and a 2 year wait).

For me, Porsche don't have the right balance across their current limited models. The GT3RS should be a proper stripped track day car, that can occasionally be used on the road... DCT only, AC as an option, but no radio/nav/leather dash/less sound deadening/plastic windows/more aggressive suspension geometry/etc). The current RS has too many 'luxury' options.

The R should be a more discrete, civilised version of the RS (AC/radio/Nav/etc), so you could use it for both short hoons and long distances.

I do think the R looks fabulous though... the stance is just perfection. It would look even better with no stripes, a small ducktail, and PTS. The brown leather and houndstooth cloth interior is lovely.

 

[VXR]

I think Ferrari and BMW got it spot on with the Challenge Stradale and CSL respectively. Offer the car with no A/C and radio, but put them as no cost options. I highligt the Ferrari because the GT3 RS would be even cooler with perspex slide windows.

It seems like the GT3 RS has lost a little of its hardcore posturing, despite still being such a highly capable car. Without the Mezger, it doesn't seem distanced enough from the standard line.

 

[TheCracker]

The R should be a more discrete, civilised version of the RS (AC/radio/Nav/etc), so you could use it for both short hoons and long distances.

Isn't that basically what the standard GT3 is?

 

[Stotty]

Isn't that basically what the standard GT3 is?

GT3 would need to lose the rear wing at a minimum to ever be called discrete.

I don't think there's really that much difference between the roles a GT3 and RS play - the RS is not really any more hardcore than the GT3 and comes with all the same luxury options for not a lot more money.

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Edit...

Just read an interesting post on Rennlist from a guy who's spent some time at Weissach driving the R. His comments were that the R is a lot more playful than the RS - much less aero grip, as well as less tyre patch, so the car moves around more. He basically said that and the manual box made it a much more enjoyable road car.

Not a surprise I guess.

 

[JC_Dude]

I think Ferrari and BMW got it spot on with the Challenge Stradale and CSL respectively. Offer the car with no A/C and radio, but put them as no cost options.

Porsche does it the other way around. You get AC and all the other stuff but you can remove it if you so wish.