Porsche 991 Information Released

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I'm not sure it justifies the R moniker (but I suppose the Cayman already broke that tradition), but still a great concept.

Rumor is just 20 cars for the UK, so will be even more limited than the GT3RS.

I'm guessing the limiting factor will be engine availability.

Clark
If they gave it the ducktail like the GTS it'd be perfect.
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It's time for Porsche to appease those disgruntled fans. Hehe.


It should use a narrow, Carrera bodyshell if they truly intend to pay respect to the original 911R.
 
I hope one of the lucky buyers specs it to mimic the 1967 R. White with the decals and silver wheels.
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Personally, I think a better way to build this car would have been to take the GTS, and cut as much non-essential weight out of it as possible, then add back in the bits that matter...

Narrow body only (with small body kit/ducktail wing)
Rear wheel drive only
Manual box only
Power kit (not the GT3 motor)
GT3RS suspension - ideally no PASM (where possible with narrow body)
Optional cage
Alcantara interior
Lightweight, non-electric seats, no PCM, delete rear seats etc
Narrower wheels (no need for 325 section rear tyres!)

Putting the GT3 motor in it just makes supply so limited it will simply become an instant collectors item for a few 918 owners, that no one else will ever get to drive :(

Numbers on this are significantly below GT3RS, and 2nd hand premiums are going to be even more crazy.

I'd still like one though :D
 
Coming to a prestige car dealer near you soon for £400,000.
 
Clark
The current Turbo is ~510bhp and the S is ~550bhp so I'm going to go with 530 and 580 for the new ones.
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New Turbo is 532bhp and Turbo S is 573bhp so I was pretty close :)
 
Turbo S having a 2.9 second 0-100 KM/H launch time (Porsche figures) is insane. I wonder how it would do under testing done by reviewers.
 
The current Turbo S was the last car I drove in Horizon 2 and that was already bombastic performance. That they keep improving it is quite something.
 
My god, the new Turbos are beautiful. Even better than the already stunning 991.1s.

And 0-60 in 2.9, according to Porsche should mean 2.4-2.5 in real life :embarrassed:
 
the difference between the Porsche 0-60 # and real life tests is they as a manufacturer dont use 1 foot roll out for 0-60. so they always come out on the converative side. ( a lot of manufacturers do use it Nissan Chevy do for the GTR and Z06 for example) almost all the american magazines Motortrend ect ect use it too so that is why real life we will see at least a 2 tenth difference
 
Clark
New Turbo is 532bhp and Turbo S is 573bhp so I was pretty close :)
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Given that I've seen most power figures quoted in PS, you were pretty much dead on with your guess.
 
You know, the price of base 911 Turbo ( if you can say "base" in this context ) is as much as Nismo GT-R.. Just saying.
 
Well, naturally if Nissan intends on purposely limiting production of the car. I'm sure @MCNAGTROC has an idea of the numbers Nissan intends on producing, with & without the N-Package (which will likely drive its value even more).

However, as @Stotty would possibly point out, Porsche values are rising. Give this car 15-20 years & see if its Turbo name-plate doesn't retain at least original asking price. It looks like 996-era cars are starting to turn around & I have a feeling of around $75-85K, 997s are just about bottoming out. 1994-1997 Turbos are easily surpassing $200,000+ while a good handful of 80's era models are $130-140k+.
 
McLaren
However, as @Stotty would possibly point out, Porsche values are rising. Give this car 15-20 years & see if its Turbo name-plate doesn't retain at least original asking price. It looks like 996-era cars are starting to turn around & I have a feeling of around $75-85K, 997s are just about bottoming out. 1994-1997 Turbos are easily surpassing $200,000+ while a good handful of 80's era models are $130-140k+.
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Short-term, Turbo's are the biggest depreciators across the 911 range - they don't really start to move in the 2nd hand market until they get to a price similar to a brand new 'base model'.

Loner-term, Turbo's seem to be a safe bet given what's happened to the 930/964/993, and what's happening to good 996 Turbo prices. But it's hard to know for sure given we've had 8-9 years of economic 'unrest' while all this has been happening and we still have super low interest rates, stagnant property prices & soft stock markets... the traditional investment areas if you have money and you want to make more money aren't working, so money is going in to other areas - classic/limited/low production cars, for example.

I wouldn't expect 996's to rise as fast/far as the 930/964/993 though as Porsche made a lot more of them, and the same principle would be true for the 997, and ultimately the 991. I would think it will take many, many years (if ever) for 996/997/991 Turbos to trade above their original list price.

I don't think the GT-R will ever appreciate.
 
McLaren
Well, naturally if Nissan intends on purposely limiting production of the car. I'm sure @MCNAGTROC has an idea of the numbers Nissan intends on producing, with & without the N-Package (which will likely drive its value even more).
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its about 200 a year worldwide. the US got 61 of out of that last year and close to 50 this year. N attack is something that has to be installed after the purchase. only a handful floating around. 1 completed in the US and a couple more in the works

from what ive seen porsche doesnt break down the sales figures past 911 but the NISMO is more inline with something like the GT3 RS in terms of exclusivity even though it matches up with the Turbo S in performance ( except 0-60)
 
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@Stotty All performance cars that are even slightly rare and have low mileage are silly prices now. I saw a Z4M Coupe for £50K and an E46 CSL for £70K in the back of Evo this month.

There's a whole hoard of overpriced 911s on that site you linked.
 
Stotty
Maybe I'm a being a bit pessimistic on 996 prices...

http://www.jzmporsche.com/porsche-for-sale/911/996-turbo-s-for-sale-772

£80k for a 996 Turbo :crazy:

Admittedly, it's an S, and it's only covered 11k miles, so it's absolutely top of the market... but £80k!! You could buy a 996GT2 for under £50k 2 years ago :lol:
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That's become a holy grail car now. Not a lot on the market in the US at least.
Clark
@Stotty All performance cars that are even slightly rare and have low mileage are silly prices now. I saw a Z4M Coupe for £50K and an E46 CSL for £70K in the back of Evo this month.

There's a whole hoard of overpriced 911s on that site you linked.
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That's not really all that crazy, though, for those BMWs. What Stotty knows is that specific 911 models (mainly Turbos & GT/RS cars) have appreciated beyond their expectancy. I don't think there was a soul who bought a '94 Turbo with any idea it would be worth the price of a new Ferrari/Lamborghini in 20 years, across the board & not just mint examples. RS models have just gotten ridiculous, & the infamous Carrera GT has gone roughly from holding its original value a couple years ago to now upwards of $800,000+. There's a couple on the cusp of $1,000,000. To this day, I really can't think of any car to just sky rocket in 10 years of existence, beyond the Ford GT & that car has pretty much topped out at $400,000 for a Heritage model.
 
Is the 996 price inflation due to the known problems with that generation early on having been long worked out in most second hand models by now?
 
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Tornado
Is the 996 price inflation due to the known problems with that generation early on having been long worked out in most second hand models by now?
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The 996 Turbo never had the problematic M96 engine. The turbos came with the Mezger engine (aka the engine derived from the 962 race car and shared with the GT3 in n/a form), hence the additional value. For a long time, I don't think this was universally known and it kept the values low due to fear of maintenance costs, but that's just me speculating.
 
Clark
@Stotty All performance cars that are even slightly rare and have low mileage are silly prices now. I saw a Z4M Coupe for £50K and an E46 CSL for £70K in the back of Evo this month.
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Yeah, I know, it's why I said this....

Stotty
Loner-term, Turbo's seem to be a safe bet given what's happened to the 930/964/993, and what's happening to good 996 Turbo prices. But it's hard to know for sure given we've had 8-9 years of economic 'unrest' while all this has been happening and we still have super low interest rates, stagnant property prices & soft stock markets... the traditional investment areas if you have money and you want to make more money aren't working, so money is going in to other areas - classic/limited/low production cars, for example.
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Clark
There's a whole hoard of overpriced 911s on that site you linked.
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JZM prices are top of the market, but they are widely regarded as one of the best Porsche specialists in the UK. They carry a good selection of rare models, and all their stock is typically in perfect condition with low miles - and their service 2nd to none... I've never heard anyone say anything bad about them.

If you're going to spend £100/£150/£200k on a 30 year old car, there's a lot of reassurance you're going to get a good one if you buy from them.
 

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