Porsche Not in FM4 Confirmed (Originally Porsche may be in Forza 4. Check this out).

[shawtyoner]

This really is an abomination, EA do not deliver proper driving games, and to prevent other game devs such as T10 and PD in acquiring what I feel to be the holy grail of car manufacturers, is just total B.S. I pray nobody buys ANY of their crappy racing games anymore to teach them a lesson.

 

[Luminis]

Yeah, I keep thinking that a forum is a place to post my opinions and have a discussion, but apparently, all everyone wants to do is fight.

Nothing against a good discussion, but, you know, it always takes two people for a fight. There's a whole bunch of people on here and it should've occured to you by now that it's no coincidence that people are giving you flak.

Also, if you insist on whining about the way people are reacting to your comments publically in a thread like this, that's where I'll adress your points, thank you.

This really is an abomination, EA do not deliver proper driving games, and to prevent other game devs such as T10 and PD in acquiring what I feel to be the holy grail of car manufacturers, is just total B.S. I pray nobody buys ANY of their crappy racing games anymore to teach them a lesson.

Yeah, it'd be nice to get that much support, but to be quite honest, I doubt that enough people will actually care. Sure, most of the people who're playing Forza will think this through, probably. But I doubt that it'll affect the sales for most NFS games much, if it does, at all.

I just hope that EA isn't going to release another NFS Shift (even though the second one wasn't that bad), so that they hopefully won't see Forza as a direct competitor.

But, if it's true that EA's contract with Porsche is expiring in 2012, that might not even be necessary. I sure hope that Porsche doesn't grant the license exclusively to anyone this time...

 

[tribolik]

If you are talking FACTS, then you would be incorrect.

Right TDU 1 had a porsche and a RUF... in the middle of hundreds of racings games done - one had one of each - I call that the exception to the rule

I just hope that EA isn't going to release another NFS Shift (even though the second one wasn't that bad), so that they hopefully won't see Forza as a direct competitor.

Maybe for the PC an Xbox it was a good game but I got the PS3 version and it has some serious issues, bugs, freezing problems and they dropped the support on what I call an unfinished game (PS3 version at least) though it showed a lot of potencial... so Im with you I do hope they drop the simulation all together...

 

[sandboxgod]

Yeah slightly mad studios (NFS SHift dev) has already confirmed they will not be making another NFS Shift title and they took their tech with them. The sales were probably pretty subpar for EA cause they even yanked future patch support.

I actually enjoyed shift 2 myself but I do find it quite silly these car manufacturers keep seeing $$$ and selling away exclusive rights. I wish that was illegal cause it keeps happening (NFL, Racing, etc)

This is one more reason why I support the PC sims like rFactor because pretty soon that's gonna be the only way people can enjoy Porche vs Ferrari, etc. And that's a darn shame!

 

[Luminis]

Yeah, at times, it feels like gaming is going downhill in general ever since it became such a mass market. But EA not making another Shift game was to be expected, I guess. It's just too far away from your typical (modern) Need for Speed game to appeal to their usual audience.

 

[zr1chris]

Right TDU 1 had a porsche and a RUF... in the middle of hundreds of racings games done - one had one of each - I call that the exception to the rule

Agreed. I think its a bit of a reach (or grasping at straws) how everyone brings that up. Its one game from 20 years ago. Ok yes its possible to have both but highly unlikely given the history of racing games.

 

[VXR]

Well I'll be keeping FM3 then for a Porsche fix.

 

[Luminis]

Maybe for the PC an Xbox it was a good game but I got the PS3 version and it has some serious issues, bugs, freezing problems and they dropped the support on what I call an unfinished game (PS3 version at least) though it showed a lot of potencial... so Im with you I do hope they drop the simulation all together...

Well, I can't comment on that, I've used the Xbox version... It had its issues before the first patch, but wasn't anywhere near as bad as what I've read about the PS3 version.

 

[Jamezinho]

Yeah, at times, it feels like gaming is going downhill in general ever since it became such a mass market.

Exclusive licensing agreements are slowly but surely killing console gaming across the sports and racing genres. Trouble is, EA are responsible for their fair share of this.

The gaming industry as a whole needs to get together and agree that exclusive licensing is not healthy for the gaming industry, and more importantly, it's limiting choice and enjoyment for the gamer.

Something needs to be done to keep EA in check. All I can do is not buy their products, but EA are such a mass-market, casual-gamer focused company that I'm not their target audience anyway.

 

[VXR]

About time the Monopolies commission in the UK did something about EA.

 

[Luminis]

Well, yeah, it'd be good to see someone pick the fight up with EA, but looking at the market right now, I think Activision Blizzard are the only one who'd be capable of doing so. If you think about it, it's amazing how EA has three fingers in the pie that's the gaming industy as a whole.

I swear, one day, I'm gonna start an "EA Haters Club" or something. I'll try my best to create an according vinyli group in FM4

 

[tribolik]

Well, yeah, it'd be good to see someone pick the fight up with EA, but looking at the market right now, I think Activision Blizzard are the only one who'd be capable of doing so. If you think about it, it's amazing how EA has three fingers in the pie that's the gaming industy as a whole.

I swear, one day, I'm gonna start an "EA Haters Club" or something. I'll try my best to create an according vinyli group in FM4

yeah... something like «I should be racing in a Porsche... I thank EA for that»
or «EA took my Porsche away so Im driving this instead»

 

[Tapey]

Maybe if Microsoft and Turn 10 weren't greedy with the Ferrari license and deliberately screwing EA (as well as other developers) over, then EA wouldn't have retaliated by denying Turn 10 the use of Porsche.

A lot of people are forgetting that Microsoft and Turn 10 have already done what EA is doing now, but suddenly EA are the bad guys for getting their own back

Oh and before people mention about how GT5 has Ferraris and also Ferrari Challenge, note how both of those games are not on Xbox 360? Microsoft dicks over anybody releasing a game on the Xbox 360 who wants to have Ferraris in their game. They screwed EA around with the Shift series, as well as other developers such as the ones making Test Drive Unlimited 2 (no 458 Italia for them!).

Microsofts greed has bit them in the ass 👍

 

[cuco33]

Agreed. I think its a bit of a reach (or grasping at straws) how everyone brings that up. Its one game from 20 years ago. Ok yes its possible to have both but highly unlikely given the history of racing games.

It's still proof that when RUF is included in a game that it's not impossible that Porsche would also be included. People can call it an exeption to the rule but the ONLY reason people were claiming Porsche is not in was solely due to the fact that RUF made it into Forza 4. And yet a game exists having both...

There aren't all that many games where RUF is used as the Porsche substitute to my knowledge.
You got what..
- the GT franchise,
- PGR franchise which switched from Porsche to RUF when Forza 1 was born,
- New Test Drives,
- and now Forza 4 did the PGR switch-a-rooney.

And I will still bring up this ALMS announcement. I love the fact that one of the racing series I tend to follow a good amount on is going to be lacking entirely in 1 class (GT-C) and missing the brand that just in the last 3 years either won it's class or was 2nd in podium. It just doesn't sit well with me.

Personally this is all on EA, not MS/T10/PD/Sony/whomever. EA is guilty with NFL, FIFA, the new Zonda and Porsche licensing. EA has also had this crappy stranglehold with the license for almost a decade and is why GTs of the past have not had Porsche. Wasn't there some hidden 911 in GT3/4 that was found within the code but not available in the game?

 

[zr1chris]

Maybe if Microsoft and Turn 10 weren't greedy with the Ferrari license and deliberately screwing EA (as well as other developers) over, then EA wouldn't have retaliated by denying Turn 10 the use of Porsche.


Oh and before people mention about how GT5 has Ferraris and also Ferrari Challenge, note how both of those games are not on Xbox 360? Microsoft dicks over anybody releasing a game on the Xbox 360 who wants to have Ferraris in their game. They screwed EA around with the Shift series, as well as other developers such as the ones making Test Drive Unlimited 2 (no 458 Italia for them!).

I see you can name various games that have Ferrari. Now name me some games (not made by EA) that have Porsche.....

 

[Luminis]

yeah... something like «I should be racing in a Porsche... I thank EA for that»
or «EA took my Porsche away so Im driving this instead»

I was thinking os something simpler:

A lot of people are forgetting that Microsoft and Turn 10 have already done what EA is doing now, but suddenly EA are the bad guys for getting their own back

How come, though, that NFS Shift had Ferrari DLC on the Xbox? MS must've granted the license to them for that, just not for the PS3 version - of which they most likely don't even have the license.

So, how come people know that MS started this? I'm just curious about your sources.

 

[Akira AC]

Too much drama, remember the Kübler Ross model.


In any case, I sort of welcome this decision for a number of reasons:

>It will certainly blew up some steam about the FM car list and the bitch about it.
>RUF always provides the best models from Porsche, I could not care less about some porches. The only considerable down for the game will be the 962c, but the yellobird is always welcome.
>Porsche filled 30 spaces which are now being filled with a nice variety of cars, 7-8 models are expected from RUF, which leaves 22-23 spaces for new models like new brands that now are being shown.


In summary, the fact that people are bitching so much about this means that the brand itself is a lot more important that other brands like Ferrari/Lamborghini, and that tells something about the fanbase.

 

[VXR]

7-8 models from RUF which aren't a 997 GT3 RS, 997 Sport Classic, 2.7 RS, a 997 GT2 and never will be.

 

[Luminis]

In summary, the fact that people are bitching so much about this means that the brand itself is a lot more important that other brands like Ferrari/Lamborghini, and that tells something about the fanbase.

Where does that comparison come from? Are you comparing the uproar about Porsche being yanked from the series to the uproar that was caused by all the other mayor manufacturers that were pulled recently?

Oh, wait...

7-8 models from RUF which aren't a 997 GT3 RS, 997 Sport Classic, 2.7 RS, a 997 GT2 and never will be.

More importantly, RUF doesn't make race cars. No RS Spyder, no GT3 RSR, no 918 RSR, no Cup R.

 

[tribolik]

It's still proof that when RUF is included in a game that it's not impossible that Porsche would also be included. People can call it an exeption to the rule but the ONLY reason people were claiming Porsche is not in was solely due to the fact that RUF made it into Forza 4. And yet a game exists having both...

Its not proove because the game was made before EA had a contract with porsche - Its a game from 20 years ago...

More importantly, RUF doesn't make race cars. No RS Spyder, no GT3 RSR, no 918 RSR, no Cup R.

...and no Le Mans classic race cars

 

[Tapey]

How come, though, that NFS Shift had Ferrari DLC on the Xbox? MS must've granted the license to them for that, just not for the PS3 version - of which they most likely don't even have the license.

So, how come people know that MS started this? I'm just curious about your sources.

Various developer comments over time.

Yeah though, Shift 1 had Ferrari DLC and Microsoft said no to those cars being in Shift 2 (which is probably what caused EA to think "Ok fine, no Porsche for you then"). They were even complete dicks and prevented EA from releasing the Ferrari DLC on PS3/PC which is just pathetic. Then they screw the TDU2 team from having the Italia, and I'm pretty sure Criterion tried to get Ferrari for Hot Pursuit and were denied by MS and so after all this EA has finally stood up to them.

I think it's great that EA are playing them at their own game really. Microsoft are a horribly greedy company who try to lock everyone they can into exclusive contracts and it's nice to see their dirty business tactics turned against them for a change

 

[Downhill Dino]

I see you can name various games that have Ferrari. Now name me some games (not made by EA) that have Porsche.....

GRID had both Ferrari and Porsche.
Couldn't drive the Porsche, and the Ferrari was DLC (For PS3, not sure about XBox)

 

[HELLAFLUSH240SX]

How can T10 have a license for PS3, when they don't make PS3 games?
GT5 has Ferrari's, so that's obviously not the reason EA withheld the Porsche license.

 

[Luminis]

Various developer comments over time.

Yeah though, Shift 1 had Ferrari DLC and Microsoft said no to those cars being in Shift 2 (which is probably what caused EA to think "Ok fine, no Porsche for you then").

Given that Dan said that they've been in contact with EA for that last 18! months, I wouldn't be so sure that MS started it just because Shift 2 released before FM4. Actually, they would've started debating things with EA quite a bit before Shift 2's release. I wouldn't be suprised if it was EA that started the whole thing, after all.

And from the way T10 made it sound, I'd assume that they offered EA to use their Xbox Ferrari sublicense in exchange for Porsche.

They were even complete dicks and prevented EA from releasing the Ferrari DLC on PS3/PC which is just pathetic.

I doubt that Microsoft has any rights to grant the license for Sony's console, though. They've got the Xbox exclsusive license and are able to grand sublicenses, but I wouldn't be suprised if it was limited to the Xbox itself. In fact, I'd be insanely suprised if it wasn't.

 

[1241Penguin]

Various developer comments over time.

Yeah though, Shift 1 had Ferrari DLC and Microsoft said no to those cars being in Shift 2 (which is probably what caused EA to think "Ok fine, no Porsche for you then"). They were even complete dicks and prevented EA from releasing the Ferrari DLC on PS3/PC which is just pathetic. Then they screw the TDU2 team from having the Italia, and I'm pretty sure Criterion tried to get Ferrari for Hot Pursuit and were denied by MS and so after all this EA has finally stood up to them.

I think it's great that EA are playing them at their own game really. Microsoft are a horribly greedy company who try to lock everyone they can into exclusive contracts and it's nice to see their dirty business tactics turned against them for a change

Any links for proof?

 

[cuco33]

Too much drama, remember the Kübler Ross model.


In any case, I sort of welcome this decision for a number of reasons:

>It will certainly blew up some steam about the FM car list and the bitch about it.
>RUF always provides the best models from Porsche, I could not care less about some porches. The only considerable down for the game will be the 962c, but the yellobird is always welcome.
>Porsche filled 30 spaces which are now being filled with a nice variety of cars, 7-8 models are expected from RUF, which leaves 22-23 spaces for new models like new brands that now are being shown.


In summary, the fact that people are bitching so much about this means that the brand itself is a lot more important that other brands like Ferrari/Lamborghini, and that tells something about the fanbase.

It says nothing of the sort and please stop instigating the nonesense. People are rightfully disappointed over this news and I'm one of them. ESPECIALLY after ALMS sponsorship announcement. I don't think you know much about Porsche though...

Porsche has been succesful in motorsports for decades and has a deep racing pedigree, reckognized as one of the winning-est brands in motorsports. RUF has nothing of the sort. They are a tuner that worked their way through a loophole in German law to have their modified Porsche cars identified as cars made by RUF and not Porsche.

You not caring about the non-RUF models just shows you know nothing of the brand. Show me a RUF tuned 917, 944turbo, 911 GT3 RSR, 959, the list goes on and on and on... various 911s before the company even existed. Hell many of the Porsches after RUF was 'born' as a company too. They do take a lot of the more recent higher end models and excel them to another level but there's so much that RUF does NOT touch... the racing models alone are some that RUF has not touched. Ever.

 

[VeyronGlen]

I'm sorry, but all you "cocky" people out there who have already made their minds up that Porsche are in Forza 4, please look at this...

http://whatculture.com/gaming/ea-forces-forza-4-to-remove-porsche-from-game.php

If that is correct, LOL to the cocky ones, if it's fake, I apologise for wasting your time.

 

[Downhill Dino]

^ Isn't the fact that we're talking about Porsche not being in FM4 the purpose of this topic? What did you read?

I kinda agree with him. Other then classic Porsches aren't made by RUf. But oh well. I don't agree with the part about "I could care less about Porsches" part. RUFs are cool, but classics are always a must. I see no instigating and nonsense in the comment.

 

[Diatribe777]

Just a thought, but maybe Porsche found out about Jeremy Clarkson's "tell it like it is" negative attitude towards Porsche and they don't want that kind of publicity.
So they held firm on not appearing in the game.

 

[cuco33]

I'm sorry, but all you "cocky" people out there who have already made their minds up that Porsche are in Forza 4, please look at this...

http://whatculture.com/gaming/ea-forces-forza-4-to-remove-porsche-from-game.php

If that is correct, LOL to the cocky ones, if it's fake, I apologise for wasting your time.

oy vey...

No one has said that Porsche IS in FM4. No one.

I myself have stated if an assumption is to be made it's the Porsche would be in, based on history and logic; history of the brand being in all versions increasing with each one, used as incentives, etc and based on logic like the ALMS sponsorship announcement or the "proof" of the HD trailer showing what looks like a 911 turbo s w/factory aero package (which isn't really proof and hence why no one said Porsche was in). Guess what people have been saying all along though? That Porsche was NOT in and simply because RUF was now in FM4... no other reason. and yet a game exists with both brands already in, regardless how old it is as well as with EA owning the Porsche license while T10 were cranking out games with Porsche in all Forzas.

For me I was assuming even more that Porsche was in simply on that ALMS announcement. Let me just toss out 1 example outside the fact that 1 of 4 classes is GT-C entirely being made up of 911 GT Cup cars... Biggest race in ALMS is known to be the 12hours of Sebring. Of the 53 cars that qualified for the race HALF were Porsches across 2 classes. HALF.