Porsche Not in FM4 Confirmed (Originally Porsche may be in Forza 4. Check this out).

[Luminis]

Just a thought, but maybe Porsche found out about Jeremy Clarkson's "tell it like it is" negative attitude towards Porsche and they don't want that kind of publicity.
So they held firm on not appearing in the game.

And, at the same time, they agree to constantly have their cars appear on Top Gear?

 

[Sele1981]

Thats the fast way to became an millionaire... Buy licenses for cheap and sell them pretty expensive... Or dont sell them and force people to buy your own crap game... Really! With licenses you can make so much money...

 

[cuco33]

And, at the same time, they agree to constantly have their cars appear on Top Gear?

Richard Hammond loves Porsches.
Jeremy Clarkson... not so much.

lol

I was looking forward to JC's comments on Porsches in AutoVista mode, and just using that mode for whatever Porsches would be there. Sadly Porsche isn't even making an appearance

 

[Scaff]

About time the Monopolies commission in the UK did something about EA.

That's not what the monopolies and mergers commission in the UK do.

Richard Hammond loves Porsches.
Jeremy Clarkson... not so much.

lol

I was looking forward to JC's comments on Porsches in AutoVista mode, and just using that mode for whatever Porsches would be there. Sadly Porsche isn't even making an appearance

In one of his (many) best car ever DVDs he did once put a 911 in first place, it was more than a little begrudging but he still did it. Can't remember exactly what DVD and 911 model it was, I will have to see if I can dig out the DVD over the weekend.



Scaff

 

[VXR]

Ironically a Tesco advert was at the bottom in a thread that mentions monopolies

Could it not be argued on the grounds of being too powerful in their current form that EA are having a negative effect on others in that field?

 

[Luminis]

I doubt that holding exlcusive licenses for a game would cause any form of federal organisation to step in. I mean, if they controlled all the games themselves and therefore dictated the pricing, then sure, but the way it is? I don't think so...

 

[Jamezinho]

Could it not be argued on the grounds of being too powerful in their current form that EA are having a negative effect on others in that field?

I've felt this way for a long time. Basically we're moving towards a situation where the consumer has limited choice. If I want to drive a Porsche it has to be NFS rather than sims like FM4 and GT5. If I want to play the NFL I have to buy Madden. If I want to play English Premier League/German Bundesliga football I have to buy FIFA.

It's not good for the consumer and will only serve as a barrier to entry for other developers if they don't have freedom to obtain the licences they want.

 

[Crispy]

I wonder how sad Alois RUF must be though.

I mean think about it, to the racing game world they're basically sloppy seconds. If Porsche isn't in the developers go for RUF, has there been a game in recent years where RUF wasn't used as a "that'll do" car manufacturer?

 

[zr1chris]

I wonder how sad Alois RUF must be though.

I mean think about it, to the racing game world they're basically sloppy seconds. If Porsche isn't in the developers go for RUF, has there been a game in recent years where RUF wasn't used as a "that'll do" car manufacturer?

Iv'e actually thought about that. Why do game producers wait until they can't have Porsche to add RUF?

 

[Luminis]

Iv'e actually thought about that. Why do game producers wait until they can't have Porsche to add RUF?

Because RUF is to Porsche what the ugly female friend is to the hot chick you're trying to score with.

You won't get the good one, but since you're out and drunk, you'll take her friend to at least not spend the night alone.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Right TDU 1 had a porsche and a RUF... in the middle of hundreds of racings games done - one had one of each - I call that the exception to the rule

If that is the way you want to look it at, that is fine. However, what I state is indeed fact.

 

[Zlimness]

I wonder how sad Alois RUF must be though.

I mean think about it, to the racing game world they're basically sloppy seconds. If Porsche isn't in the developers go for RUF, has there been a game in recent years where RUF wasn't used as a "that'll do" car manufacturer?

Probably not sad at all. Imagine how much publicity RUF get for occupying Porsche's space. Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti, RUF. RUF can't even compare with those, but they still get to play alongside them. People know it's not Porsche. But in the end, they get their name out there.

 

[zr1chris]

Because RUF is to Porsche what the ugly female friend is to the hot chick you're trying to score with.

You won't get the good one, but since you're out and drunk, you'll take her friend to at least not spend the night alone.

RUF isn't that bad, is it?

 

[Luminis]

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti, RUF.

And next to it, there's Suzuki and Hyundai... Ruf has made a name for itself long before video games picked it up as a Porsche substitute. And I have a hard time believing that them being included in FM4 will make them sell even a single additional car.

RUF isn't that bad, is it?

Nope, they're not that bad, but that's what they're being treated like

 

[Steve Mcqueen]

RUF isn't that bad, is it?

RUFS are the top of the Porsche kingdom the ring out every bit of performance out of them

 

[Luminis]

RUFS are the top of the Porsche kingdom the ring out every bit of performance out of them

I mean, look at these:

 

[zr1chris]

I like RUF but.... no Carrera GT

 

[McLaren]

The racing comparison isn't very fair to RUF. They just don't have the resources Porsche does to go racing. They attempted it with a couple special edition CTR2s, but as far as LeMans & GT racing go, it's not their game.

Road cars are a different story. RUFs aren't built primarily to beat Porsches, but to build upon the already solid foundation of a Porsche chassis & build the cars so that they are already on their limits.

To put it in a way, Porsche can be seen as the "lion" of the sports car world; they're regarded to as quite possibly, the best performance car ever built (hence the no substitutes catchphrase). The basic 911, for example, solid car. Easy to drive, takes some time & patience to drive fast, & needs to be respected when you're at its limit.

RUF on the other hand, is your "tiger". They are not typically held within' the same regard as a "lion"/Porsche. But, what they are considered to be is a much more ferocious animal, the RUF a car that shares all the traits of the Porsche, but requires more respect & skill to drive quickly. They are built to be less forgiving than the Porsches & take a large amount of talent to be driven to their very edge (see the video of Stefan driving the Yellowbird).

Because of their "tougher" nature, they lose that driving feeling Porsche is usually so renown for b/c they have mastered the formula in their road cars. RUF throws it away & basically overbuilds the cars' performance. To be blunt, where a Porsche road car is typically set to a 8-10, a RUF is set at 11. You either crank it to 10 or you don't, it's up to you, whilst the RUF is just generally already there; you either learn to drive it as it is, or you don't. It's generally a step too far, but the cars really become something special to drive when you want to see what a Porsche chassis handles like, once the magic formula is gone.

If, that makes any more sense in writing than it did in my head.

 

[Zlimness]

And next to it, there's Suzuki and Hyundai... Ruf has made a name for itself long before video games picked it up as a Porsche substitute. And I have a hard time believing that them being included in FM4 will make them sell even a single additional car.

But Suzuki and Hyundai are nowhere to be seen in Test Drive Unlimited, Project Gotham Racing etc. Even in games where mostly exotics are picked, they still feature RUF. So what's your point?

Also, it doesn't matter if a car manufacturer or manufacturer of anything car related started before video games even existed. Promotion is good, especially if it's related to your products and especially if you're a small company that can't afford commercials and expensive motorsport participation.

So why would it be worse for RUF to be seen in Forza 4? Everyone else is there already, so why is it a bad idea for RUF?

 

[Luminis]

The racing comparison isn't very fair to RUF. They just don't have the resources Porsche does to go racing. They attempted it with a couple special edition CTR2s, but as far as LeMans & GT racing go, it's not their game.

While I agree with you about the road cars bit, I think that this isn't about fairness... There's just no way for RUF to ccompletely replace Porsche or even surpass them, largely because they lack what it takes to fill the void - which, of course, spreads to the realm of the race cars, too. And in Forza's case, is more severly felt with the race cars than anywhere else, in my opinion.

I'm fine with replacing the road cars. It's still a but of a shame, but it's not a bad thing. But, for me, not being able to repace Porsche's racing herritage is the biggest concern. Sure, it's not fair to expect that from RUF, but if they can't do it, they can't... Oh well, I'll do without the RSR eventually

But Suzuki and Hyundai are nowhere to be seen in Test Drive Unlimited, Project Gotham Racing etc. Even in games where mostly exotics are picked, they still feature RUF. So what's your point?

My point is FM4. You know, as in, the subforum we're in?

Also, it doesn't matter if a car manufacturer or manufacturer of anything car related started before video games even existed. Promotion is good, especially if it's related to your products and especially if you're a small company that can't afford commercials and expensive motorsport participation.

So why would it be worse for RUF to be seen in Forza 4? Everyone else is there already, so why is it a bad idea for RUF?

I've never said it's a bad idea, I've said that I doubt that it actually matter. I highly doubt that being shown off in Forza will increase RUF's sales. Most people who know what they're looking at probably have their mind made up as to what they want to buy, anyways (especially if it's Porsche vs. RUF). If people don't know the name RUF yet, do you honestly think that a 60$ video game is going to sway their decision as to whether they're going to buy a Porsche or a RUF?

Additional exposure is never a bad thing, but I doubt that it's going to have anywhere near the effect that you think it does. Same reason why you usually don't see much TV advertisement for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg etc.: It's not needed to sell their cars. The customers that go for these cars know pretty well what they want and where to get it. If there was a lot of sales to be gained by added exposure, you can be sure you'd see more of the bigger luxury brands advertising like mad.

 

[McLaren]

While I agree with you about the road cars bit, I think that this isn't about fairness... There's just no way for RUF to ccompletely replace Porsche or even surpass them, largely because they lack what it takes to fill the void - which, of course, spreads to the realm of the race cars, too. And in Forza's case, is more severly felt with the race cars than anywhere else, in my opinion.

I'm fine with replacing the road cars. It's still a but of a shame, but it's not a bad thing. But, for me, not being able to repace Porsche's racing herritage is the biggest concern. Sure, it's not fair to expect that from RUF, but if they can't do it, they can't... Oh well, I'll do without the RSR eventually

Well, of course, & no one should expect them too. RUF just isn't that kind of company & Alois has commented in the past about the magnificence that is a Porsche.

I'm just saying that there's no point in bringing up RUF not being able to stand up next to Porsche & then posting about Porsche's racing history; it's an obvious & well known fact. It's like trying to compare Ferrari & Lamborghini, and then pointing out Ferrari's long racing history. Like Lamborghini, it's an area where RUF just has little interest. Like the Italians from Sant'Agata, RUF is set on building what defines them and it doesn't involve racing.

I'm not attacking you on the issue, just the past arguments about RUF vs. Porsche. If you're gonna do it, compare the road cars because Porsche is clearly the superior in racing.

 

[HBK]

Same reason why you usually don't see much TV advertisement for Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, Pagani, Koenigsegg etc.: It's not needed to sell their cars.

It more like people buying superpercars don't watch TV lol

 

[Luminis]

I'm not attacking you on the issue, just the past arguments about RUF vs. Porsche. If you're gonna do it, compare the road cars because Porsche is clearly the superior in racing.

Well, that's not changing things that much, anyways, because I still think there are just as many road cars that can't be replaced by RUF - the GT2RS, the GT3RS4.0, the Carrera GT or the 918 Spyder, to name a few. Of course, there are cars made by RUF that Porsche can't really replace, such as the CTR3.

My point is, as in real life, neither brand can truly replace the other. That's to be expected, of course, and it extends to the racing bit even moreso than it does to the road cars. But, at the end of the day, that's all there is to it: "There's no substitute". I know, it's just Porsche's catchphrase, but I think it still holds true, on the road as much as it does on the track.

It more like people buying superpercars don't watch TV lol

I wonder if they're playing video games, then

 

[James1436]

Since Porsche isn't in the ALMS in Forza 4; I have a feeling that people with make replica RSR's with RUF cars (With very similar Hp, torque, suspension settings ect). Maybe even gt3s.

 

[chromatic9]

Oh damn. T10 have done such a good job with the Porsche sub-license and they're my fav cars in FM3.

So I wonder if MS have been strict on their 360 exclusive Ferrari license? I remember Shift1 had the Ferrari DLC pack, so I thought it was all good with EA/MS. Did they restrict to certain cars and prevent the 458? I don't follow TDU since the 1990s so not sure what has or hasn't happened there.

Is it exclusive BS bites you on the ass or is EA being dicks? The online pass and pulling games from Steam seem like bad moves, so this new one goes in-line with EA on lockdown.

I just hope that this EA/Porsche deal does end soon and Porsche can stop the exclusive BS and get their cars in Forza and Gran Turismo.

It's also a shame EA can't get a Ferrari license but Dan G says they allow other games to use it.

 

[Luminis]

It's also a shame EA can't get a Ferrari license but Dan G says they allow other games to use it.

Yeah, I guess it's hard to actually know who's started all of this. Personally, I think it's EA - it just fits them.

Anyways:

 

[sandboxgod]

Too much drama, remember the Kübler Ross model.


In any case, I sort of welcome this decision for a number of reasons:

>It will certainly blew up some steam about the FM car list and the bitch about it.
>RUF always provides the best models from Porsche, I could not care less about some porches. The only considerable down for the game will be the 962c, but the yellobird is always welcome.
>Porsche filled 30 spaces which are now being filled with a nice variety of cars, 7-8 models are expected from RUF, which leaves 22-23 spaces for new models like new brands that now are being shown.


In summary, the fact that people are bitching so much about this means that the brand itself is a lot more important that other brands like Ferrari/Lamborghini, and that tells something about the fanbase.

If you think of Porche as simply another car maker than sure, all this griping will seem silly perhaps. But if you're a dedicated racing fan to some degree and really watch these real life races what car do you see winning a lot? Porche. Last race I watched I didnt see a Ferrari win. Lamborghini isn't even in the series. But Porche is. *I refer to Grand Am Rolex racing series and Porche won the last one I saw at Watkins Glen for its division

 

[boxox]

Oh damn. T10 have done such a good job with the Porsche sub-license and they're my fav cars in FM3.

So I wonder if MS have been strict on their 360 exclusive Ferrari license? I remember Shift1 had the Ferrari DLC pack, so I thought it was all good with EA/MS. Did they restrict to certain cars and prevent the 458? I don't follow TDU since the 1990s so not sure what has or hasn't happened there.

Well, since 2009 or so (when I guess we can figure this started), the entire game of Outrun had to be pulled, TDU2 ran into issues bringing Ferraris to PC/360 but not PS3 where MS don't hold the license, Batracer ran into issues with using anything Ferrari related, and they have been totally absent from NFS since the 360-only Ferrari DLC.

Of course, I am sure that MS are totally agnostic about supporting the 360 or PC and there is nothing at all that smells about only allowing it to be offered on the platform they control out of the two they're licensed to use. And, naturally, totally unlike anything EA does with Porsche!

What a lovely caring sharing PLUR ecosystem Microsoft has turned the Ferrari license into. Just look at all those games with Ferrari in them on the PC and 360 over the last few years.

 

[Akira AC]

If you think of Porche as simply another car maker than sure, all this griping will seem silly perhaps. But if you're a dedicated racing fan to some degree and really watch these real life races what car do you see winning a lot? Porche. Last race I watched I didnt see a Ferrari win. Lamborghini isn't even in the series. But Porche is. *I refer to Grand Am Rolex racing series and Porche won the last one I saw at Watkins Glen for its division

Sorry, I just watch F1 and more "international racing", LMP Porsche probably be missed, but meh.

And is Porsche, not porche, racing fan of some degree.

 

[jabofu]

Too much drama, remember the Kübler Ross model.


In any case, I sort of welcome this decision for a number of reasons:

>It will certainly blew up some steam about the FM car list and the bitch about it.
>RUF always provides the best models from Porsche, I could not care less about some porches. The only considerable down for the game will be the 962c, but the yellobird is always welcome.
>Porsche filled 30 spaces which are now being filled with a nice variety of cars, 7-8 models are expected from RUF, which leaves 22-23 spaces for new models like new brands that now are being shown.


In summary, the fact that people are bitching so much about this means that the brand itself is a lot more important that other brands like Ferrari/Lamborghini, and that tells something about the fanbase.

I am happy for you that you have it easier to mock the Forza franchise from now on.

Tell me what would happen, when Ferrari would have been take away from GT5, that would create even more riots.

The absence of Porsche doesnt mean that there are slots open for other cars. The Porsche cars were already in the early built, shown behind closed doors. The fact is that they have worked on those cars and this time was spent pointless, thanks to EA. There must have been Autovista versions and those have been created for nothing. In that time they could have worked on other cars, if they have knew it before.