Post-E3 Console Wars: There's Only One Way To Find Out

[JSilvaGT]

X1 is overpriced and underpowered compared to PS4. Plus is 6 months behind schedule according to the guy who has a 100% record with the truthfacts. I would have to be mad to get this at launch. Might have another look when it hits £300-£329 as long as there are enough exclusives.

Can you prove waht you said?
Xbox One will be sell with a fair price. Don't forget that Xbox One will include Kinect. And so far was never told that Xbox One is underpowered compared with PS4.
If a person has to be mad to get a Xbox One at launch. Then all UK is right now Mad.

 

[ASH32]

Can you prove waht you said?
Xbox One will be sell with a fair price. Don't forget that Xbox One will include Kinect. And so far was never told that Xbox One is underpowered compared with PS4.
If a person has to be mad to get a Xbox One at launch. Then all UK is right now Mad.

Where's your proof that the whole of the UK wants an Xbox One?

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

From what little I have read related to the two units the PS4 sounds like it is in fact the more powerful having a bit stronger video and faster ram with more ram available to the games.

That said the XB1 should pack a pretty good punch and both are much stronger than the current consoles.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Would you happen to have a link to said guy that's claimed this?

Yes, this is the first I've heard of this. Link or it didn't happen.


Jerome

 

[Scaff]

X1 is overpriced and underpowered compared to PS4. Plus is 6 months behind schedule according to the guy who has a 100% record with the truthfacts. I would have to be mad to get this at launch. Might have another look when it hits £300-£329 as long as there are enough exclusives.

Citation required.

Can you prove waht you said?
Xbox One will be sell with a fair price. Don't forget that Xbox One will include Kinect. And so far was never told that Xbox One is underpowered compared with PS4.

You are unaware of the difference in RAM and the space required in it for OS between the two systems?

On paper the PS4 does have a quite clear advantage in this regard, now how that will translate to the real world is a different matter, however ignoring that its present doesn't help you at all.

If a person has to be mad to get a Xbox One at launch. Then all UK is right now Mad.

Nor does complete and utter nonsense like this, particularly given that you don't even live in the UK. You statement is quite frankly not true and you and shadynader would do well to keep the AUP in mind when considering making unsupported statements in future.

 

[shadynader]

Yes, this is the first I've heard of this. Link or it didn't happen.


Jerome

Its on GAF somewhere, someone reported the rumour, got picked up on many a site and then he confirmed it in his usual coded text, impossible for me to look for that so I'm afraid it looks like your going have to go with "It didn't happen". Don't say I didn't warn you though.

That was May, they have 5 months left, they might sort all the problems and even get ahead of schedule by then but I'm not going to be there to take the chance. Because it's underpowered and overpriced.

 

[Tornado]

Would you happen to have a link to said guy that's claimed this?

The truthfacts will not be censored!

 

[Scaff]

Its on GAF somewhere, someone reported the rumour, got picked up on many a site and then he confirmed it in his usual coded text, impossible for me to look for that so I'm afraid it looks like your going have to go with "It didn't happen". Don't say I didn't warn you though.

That was May, they have 5 months left, they might sort all the problems and even get ahead of schedule by then but I'm not going to be there to take the chance. Because it's underpowered and overpriced.

Which makes it a rumour and nothing more.

 

[shadynader]

Which makes it a rumour and nothing more.

Of course it's a rumour I never once stated otherwise

 

[Terronium-12]

Its on GAF somewhere, someone reported the rumour, got picked up on many a site and then he confirmed it in his usual coded text, impossible for me to look for that so I'm afraid it looks like your going have to go with "It didn't happen". Don't say I didn't warn you though.

That was May, they have 5 months left, they might sort all the problems and even get ahead of schedule by then but I'm not going to be there to take the chance. Because it's underpowered and overpriced.

So instead of going onto Neogaf and using the forum-wide search function you're going with this that basically amounts to nothing more than hearsay, basically?

Nice job.

The truthfacts will not be censored!

Apparently not. Specially coded messages and all.

Of course it's a rumour I never once stated otherwise

Do we really have to go back to your post that's only 10 above mine?

 

[shadynader]

Do we really have to go back to your post that's only 10 above mine?

Please do.

 

[Scaff]

Of course it's a rumour I never once stated otherwise

Explain.......


Plus is 6 months behind schedule according to the guy who has a 100% record with the truthfacts


.....because that clearly implies that its a statement of fact. Your post even describes it as a rumour that is then confirmed by a these 100% truthfacts (whatever they are), thus no longer making it a rumour.

 

[shadynader]

Explain.......


Plus is 6 months behind schedule according to the guy who has a 100% record with the truthfacts


.....because that clearly implies that its a statement of fact. Your post even describes it as a rumour that is then confirmed by a these 100% truthfacts (whatever they are), thus no longer making it a rumour.

Does not mean fact at all. I stated He has a good past record.

 

[Terronium-12]

Please do.

Scaff beat me to it.

Does not mean fact at all. I stated He has a good past record.

You mean other than when you said "100% truthfacts"?

Oh, I'm sorry, "a 100% record with the truthfacts."

 

[Tornado]

In fact, he actually said it was confirmed twice.

 

[shadynader]

You mean other than when you said "100% truthfacts"?

Oh, I'm sorry, "a 100% record with the truthfacts."

Everything he said has been confirmed at some stage in the future of him saying it. Hence 100% record, does not mean everything he will or has said lately will ring true now does it? So I have not written any fact only the fact that he said it and his past record is really good. It also does not mean the problems will be there at launch does it? He basically gave us a snapshot of where they were at in terms of development if you believe him. Like I said they may catch up or overtake the goals set I just wont be willing to sit through the development woes for the two main reasons I stated before the plus IN MY VIEW reason here.

 

[Tornado]

We're so glad you could come back to GTP to let us know that some guy on GAF that you aren't going to bother providing a link to (or even telling his name) said something that may not even apply when the system comes out, and that when he says something he's always been right so other people should care too.

 

[Terronium-12]

Everything he said has been confirmed at some stage in the future of him saying it. Hence 100% record, does not mean everything he will or has said lately will ring true now does it?

Then why present it as fact? Trying to reverse the scenario as if it's my burden isn't going to work.

So I have not written any fact only the fact that he said it and his past record is really good.

Except for the part where you presented it as a fact.

It also does not mean the problems will be there at launch does it?

I'm going to sound like a broken record at this point, but: except for the part where you presented it as a fact.

He basically gave us a snapshot of where they were at in terms of development if you believe him.

Again, I don't know "him". Either cite a source or stop bringing "him" up.

Like I said they may catch up or overtake the goals set I just wont be willing to sit through the development woes for the two main reasons I stated before the plus IN MY VIEW reason here.

So before you were making the argument that you weren't saying these things only to turn right back around and say the things you claimed to have never appointed in the first place?

 

[shadynader]

We're so glad you could come back to GTP to let us know that some guy on GAF that you aren't going to bother providing a link to (or even telling his name) said something that may not even apply when the system comes out, and that when he says something he's always been right so other people should care too.

I never said anybody should care Everybody should have their own ways to make up their own mind for what system they go for... Just giving out my views (this is the right thread is it not), as to why I'm going with a PS4 and the reasons why I have chose that route as of now.

1. Slower
2. More expensive
3. Trailing in development according to a source I believe (does not for one second mean anybody else reading this should believe or even care 👍)

So before you were making the argument that you weren't saying these things only to turn right back around and say the things you claimed to have never appointed in the first place?

Behind on schedule RUMOUR.


Underpowered, Overpriced FACT.

 

[shadynader]

Delete,

 

[F1 fan]

Except that's now being left up to publishers, now isn't it? I fail to see what you're throwing back in my face.

Nice try though.

It is being left up to the publishers now. I just thought it was funny that you were willing to write off statements from MS themselves as rumour while "guaranteeing" that the ps4 would have the same drm. It didn't and the rumours about the xbone turned out to be true (before ms reversed their policies).

 

[Terronium-12]

It is being left up to the publishers now. I just thought it was funny that you were willing to write off statements from MS themselves as rumour while "guaranteeing" that the ps4 would have the same drm. It didn't and the rumours about the xbone turned out to be true (before ms reversed their policies).

You know, I looked through the Xbox One thread and for the life of me I can't find a single post of me "willing to write off statements" other than one post when I may have hastily refuted something with a Major Nelson article.

And if you think Sony never had any intention to adopt a DRM policy prior to the Xbox One's ridiculous announcement of such then I really don't know what to tell you. However, given the outstanding backlash Microsoft underwent they had every reason in the book not to. That, as far as I'll probably ever be aware of, is the only difference between the two.

Microsoft basically handed them a loaded gun.

But if you can find a post of me writing off statements then I'll happily say I was wrong.

 

[F1 fan]

You know, I looked through the Xbox One thread and for the life of me I can't find a single post of me "willing to write off statements" other than one post when I may have hastily refuted something with a Major Nelson article.

How about this?

As far as I'm concerned nothing is confirmed until E3.

That was in response to information that was being revealed by Microsoft employees.

And if you think Sony never had any intention to adopt a DRM policy prior to the Xbox One's ridiculous announcement of such then I really don't know what to tell to you.

Hmmm... You wouldn't happen to have a shred of evidence to back this up now, would you?

 

[Tornado]

That was in response to information that was being revealed by Microsoft employees.

That was in response to information that was being revealed by Microsoft employees while other Microsoft employees were revealing opposite information. And I would know, because I was the one who raised many of the original points he was responding to. No one at Microsoft was giving information at that point without having it contradicted by someone or retracted the next day. Phil Harrison did 3 followup interviews to try to clean up the mess he made by mispeaking in the first one.

Hmmm... You wouldn't happen to have a shred of evidence to back this up now, would you?

All of Sony's answers on the bigger issues, and this is well before Microsoft lit a cigarette in a fertilizer plant mind you, were intentionally vague half statements.


"Will you allow used game sales?"
"I don't really want to comment on that because some people might not like the answer."


It was clear that Sony didn't have their official policy that is there now set in stone until after the Xbone announcement in May; because Sony basically put a media blackout on themselves until E3 at around that same time and they refused to give a completely straight answer on it before then.

 

[Terronium-12]

How about this?


That was in response to information that was being revealed by Microsoft employees.


Hmmm... You wouldn't happen to have a shred of evidence to back this up now, would you?

And if you read further down you'll see exactly why I said that. That all?

 

[shadynader]

Deleted.

 

[Terronium-12]

That is, in no way, a valid rebuttal relating to anything F1 fan is talking about.

And didn't Sony talk about media during their press conference?

 

[F1 fan]

All of Sony's answers on the bigger issues, and this is well before Microsoft lit a cigarette in a fertilizer plant mind you, were intentionally vague half statements.


"Will you allow used game sales?"
"I don't really want to comment on that because some people might not like the answer."


It was clear that Sony didn't have their official policy that is there now set in stone until after the Xbone announcement in May; because Sony basically put a media blackout on themselves until E3 at around that same time and they refused to give a completely straight answer on it before then.

Vague or not, that doesn't confirm anything. It merely suggests that they weren't ready to announce their policies to the public. You see, in amongst the vague comments, there were also statements like this one. Again, it was pretty vague but it gave you an idea what their policy was going to be like.

And if you read further down you'll see exactly why I said that.

Fair enough. It's possible that I mistook another users post for one of yours.

That all?

Actually, no.

And if you think Sony never had any intention to adopt a DRM policy prior to the Xbox One's ridiculous announcement of such then I really don't know what to tell you.

Source please.

 

[Terronium-12]

Source please.

How about the fact that Sony has already used DRM; DRM that actually invited several vulnerabilities, only to be covered up by something that invited even more vulnerabilities into the mix all under the guise it being removed? Let me be more specific: Sony Music has already actively made an attempt to stifle these same things, and they've supported SOPA before it was appealed.

Is it far-fetched? Absolutely and whether you choose to accept this as "proof" or not is entirely your call, but again, if you think for one second Sony never had any intention of using DRM for the PS4 in any form or fashion then I suggest you look at what they've already done regarding the subject.

 

[Tornado]

Vague or not, that doesn't confirm anything. It merely suggests that they weren't ready to announce their policies to the public. You see, in amongst the vague comments, there were also statements like this one. Again, it was pretty vague but it gave you an idea what their policy was going to be like.

And there were also statements that followed it that made things even less clear; and patents on technology that Sony applied for that were the entire catalyst for people worrying about the matter in the first place. It wasn't Microsoft that drove people into a frenzy, because until that patent was found the used game thing for both systems was just a rumor.



It wasn't too long ago that people were exactly as scared that Sony would go through with somewhat similar restrictions that Microsoft had; and when Microsoft actually announced it Sony completely stopped answering questions on the matter even as rumors started flying that it would.