Project CARS General Discussion Thread
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Started Karting at the age of 6
Began competing in MX5's as soon as I got my driver's license.
Expanded from Regionals to Nationals
Moved up from Amateur to Pro MX5 league
Switched from Spec-Series to GT3 and then GT2 (Both in a Porsche 911)
That's the short version. I've also done some side stuff, like Auto-Cross and Club Racing
In regards to my driving experience - I'm far below the greatest of drivers, but well above the worst. I've had my share deal of victories and humble defeats. Due to this being the "interwebs," I don't like to share too much information in regards to my name and what teams I competed for, but you get the jiff. pCars is a fun GAME - but that's all it is. It's just a game. And as far as games go, I personally find games like Forza way more entertaining. VW Bus with 700HP and loose suspension? Have at it! I play games to have fun.
pCars isn't fun for me because it tries too hard to be serious in an art I personally have a lot of real-life experience in. So to me, all I see are the flaws and I can't take the game seriously. If I can't take the game seriously - and the game tries to be serious - I can't have fun with it. Again, this is just my personal opinion. A lot of what pCars promised was done via a spectacular marketing campaign. The cars are extremely un-predictable and I can never tell where the grip is. I prefer Forza's simulation model a whole lot more.
I think I might have mentioned this, but I suck at "Sim" racing games. I am absolutely terrible at them. Honestly, if you were to watch me play - even with a full wheel setup - you'd question whether or not I should even be allowed to drive on public roads. I can't help it. It's really difficult to get used to certain feedback from a car and tone every fiber of your being to respond to that feedback really well - and then strip it all away and replace it with a monitor and a gaming wheel. Some people can do it, I suppose, but I can't. If any of you ride motorcycles, you know what I'm talking about - the feeling of being "one" with the bike. That's how I'm like when I drive. I become one with the car and the two of us are constantly communicating. Racing games just produce a language barrier I can't overcome.
I'll school your butt on Mario Kart 64, though. Any day; All Day, son.
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- alexschmidt1995
I've always felt like these games (and more realistically the rig) would benefit from vibrating pedals, and maybe like a simple pad you can place on your seat that would give some more information your but.
By the way, just did first series of endurance racing in gt4 class against gt3 cars, and I have to say the ai is absolutely terrible at passing slow cars. The gt3 cars were swerving to try to get around me when I gave ample space, and the when they finally made their move, huge hit in the side.
By the way, just did first series of endurance racing in gt4 class against gt3 cars, and I have to say the ai is absolutely terrible at passing slow cars. The gt3 cars were swerving to try to get around me when I gave ample space, and the when they finally made their move, huge hit in the side.
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So I started the career mode, currently in Superkarts after a season of 120cc Karts and gosh, any Kart track with hills is a nightmare for me. Can't wait to get to the GT3s and up, I've sampled two of the cars and I just loved them despite the sometimes wayward handling on acceleration. About to purchase the Japanese car pack, you know for a certain P1 car 
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I'd avoid Glencairn as much as you can. It's not a very well made kart circuit.So I started the career mode, currently in Superkarts after a season of 120cc Karts and gosh, any Kart track with hills is a nightmare for me. Can't wait to get to the GT3s and up, I've sampled two of the cars and I just loved them despite the sometimes wayward handling on acceleration. About to purchase the Japanese car pack, you know for a certain P1 car
My career path has gone from karts>superkarts>LMP3 (Caterham)>LMP1 (RWD P30) so far.
dopedog
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Both my brothers race here in the UK, though we are French, i know what you mean about too much info as you could find people quite fast with few details these days. But I will say this my big brother says that he sucks at sims too and finds a lot make driving seem harder to him.
The issue i have about taking a racing drivers view as golden is that racing drivers race more from instinct and subconscious and i feel in sim racing you just cant as your working all the time what the 'car' might do but never based on feel through your seat. The floaty feel goes away after a while of play as you get used to it though.
But i agree PCars is a lot of PR bluster and BS and its for me a really fun game and i love to play it and i get a lot form it, but when I see people on forums talking about how fast they can lap a track compared to a real life lap and suggesting its in anyway similar its a bit daft.
I'd say its better than your giving it credit for though in my opinion.
Also i stand by the fact that to be a racing driver is nothing but to be the very best or just front runner is extremely hard. But i respect anyone with the commitment to do it.
I do think that its a world that's open at the highest level to some exception talents, but there does seem to be a hell of a lot of driver (especially in the UK) who it seems have very rich dads and are very posh, we could never work out if only posh English kids were born to be racing drivers, or just only posh rich kids could do it at high levels..... we worked out the answer pretty quickly...their Dads just pay for the best of everything get them the breaks or if your Mr. Chilton buy into whole teams for you kids. Most of them are still rubbish though.
You must of seen this scenario yourself, people just in best car or even a bent car, karting, which i did, was rife with cheating... its a tough game and honestly sometimes the people they call the 'best' actually aren't really if they ever got into a 'normal' race car like some of their competitors..
The genius's in motorsport are really the engineers and teams..
edit to add: If i sound bitter
...................i am..... 
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Just a reminder this will be available at 9PM GMT according to the producer for PC owners
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This is why I mentioned in my earlier post that it baffles me when other drivers who posses more experience than I do, like Ben Collins, can praise a game like pCars for its "utter realism" when all I get is a dull gaming experience and flawed vehicle simulation. Same goes for all other games where professional racers comment on how great a game is. Don't get me wrong, a lot of these sims - pCars included - have come a very long way from what was considered "Simulation" a decade ago, but the fact that it's all praise and no criticism is why I mentioned the priority of marketing and advertising over actual delivery in the case of pCars. I already mentioned that I competed professionally (although I don't anymore) and I've had the opportunity to battle it out against some of the finest drivers in the country. A lot of us were very excited about pCars and yet not a single one of us believe it lives up to its promises. Keep in mind that I haven't played this game for months, so it might be better now. Like I said, though - what was the whole point of running a massive Beta program when all the major updates to fix a broken game came out after its release. Makes no sense to me.
Yeah, that goes for any game, really. I don't mind. If someone thinks they are faster than me or any other professional driver because a video game said so; if that helps them sleep at night, then so be it. I got nothing left to prove - my achievements speak for themselves.
You have yours - I have mine.
Anyone with formal track experience will have a huge leg up in knowledge and understanding over someone who doesn't. You can learn a whole lot more in one amateur racing weekend than you will playing video games at home.
Racing is a very expensive sport. One of the main reasons why I'm not competing professionally anymore is because of this. It's all about money and as a driver, you need to sell yourself. I'm a driver, not a walking billboard. Too much drama - too much politics. I prefer the Regional Club Races a whole lot more now. It's all about having fun.
Because the genius' behind Toleman's engineering is why this man won the Monaco GP like a mad-man caught on fire....in the rain.
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The sarcasm is real. 
*coughTolemansuckeditwasAyrtoncough*
*coughTolemansuckeditwasAyrtoncough*
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The sarcasm is real.
*coughTolemansuckeditwasAyrtoncough*
Haha, yup!
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OK so I know that the ai has different physics, but I had to pit at the half hour mark, while every other car stayed out for an entire hour. How in the world do they last that long?
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SMS magic.
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dopedog
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@TheCrazySwede
Senna will be one of those "exceptional talents" i was talking about, you are not a 'Senna' my boy. The greats speak for themselves, also rans like you don't so you come onto a gaming forum to try to make out people playing driving games are idiots and "don't get it".....
Do look at the attrition rate in that race also though, but yes Senna is my racing God, like Ali, Best, Cantona, Rossi, Sheene, even Hunt to a degree he transcended the sport he was in...
Have a nice day.
Senna will be one of those "exceptional talents" i was talking about, you are not a 'Senna' my boy. The greats speak for themselves, also rans like you don't so you come onto a gaming forum to try to make out people playing driving games are idiots and "don't get it".....
Do look at the attrition rate in that race also though, but yes Senna is my racing God, like Ali, Best, Cantona, Rossi, Sheene, even Hunt to a degree he transcended the sport he was in...
Have a nice day.
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Ok, this is a bit off-topic since this is a pCars section. This will be my final reply in this matter, because it's only a matter of time before a Moderator steps in anyway.
Anyone with the talent to earn their seat in Formula 'Juan' is exceptional. More often than not, Alain Prost would dominate Senna in qualifiers with just a couple of laps, whereas Senna would try again and again to catch up. I followed Ayrton's career and he's one of my favorite drivers (hence my avatar) but he is far from a racing God. He's just an athlete who was very good at his particular sport. Senna wouldn't stand a chance against Walter Röhrl or even many amateur drivers in their respective disciplines - and trust me, there are plenty of drivers competing on a Club/Amateur level that could easily make it in the big leagues - or like myself - have made it and decided it was not for them.
Speak for yourself, lad. I've spent a lot of time on different gaming forums - started out around SimBin's GTR, I believe - and I've had great discussions with not only other drivers, but also people who possess a great wealth of knowledge in regards to the real life sport. Very rarely do I meet an idiot, so please, don't make it a common occurrence.
Back on Topic...
Anyone know of a way to get one of the non-karting vehicles onto a Karting track?
I wanted to try out the new MX5 on one of them, but the game doesn't seem to like that idea very much...
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Ok, this is a bit off-topic since this is a pCars section. This will be my final reply in this matter, because it's only a matter of time before a Moderator steps in anyway.
Anyone with the talent to earn their seat in Formula 'Juan' is exceptional. More often than not, Alain Prost would dominate Senna in qualifiers with just a couple of laps, whereas Senna would try again and again to catch up. I followed Ayrton's career and he's one of my favorite drivers (hence my avatar) but he is far from a racing God. He's just an athlete who was very good at his particular sport. Senna wouldn't stand a chance against Walter Röhrl or even many amateur drivers in their respective disciplines - and trust me, there are plenty of drivers competing on a Club/Amateur level that could easily make it in the big leagues - or like myself - have made it and decided it was not for them.
Speak for yourself, lad. I've spent a lot of time on different gaming forums - started out around SimBin's GTR, I believe - and I've had great discussions with not only other drivers, but also people who possess a great wealth of knowledge in regards to the real life sport. Very rarely do I meet an idiot, so please, don't make it a common occurrence.
Back on Topic...
Anyone know of a way to get one of the non-karting vehicles onto a Karting track?
I wanted to try out the new MX5 on one of them, but the game doesn't seem to like that idea very much...
There is a way to do it but sorry i dont remember how . People were doing when the game first game out, maybe somebody will come along and remember
Chikane_GTR
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Is this livery only on the PlayStation 4 version?
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mister dog
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That's a bold statement
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More like being delusional.That's a bold statement
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That's a bold statement
It's not as unpopular as you might think, at least not among drivers of different disciplines.
What Walter R. did in a Rally car and what Senna did in a single-seater (not to mention Touring Cars) is very different.
You have to take into consideration the differences between the disciplines. Some drivers, like Sir. Stirling Moss, proved a wealth of talent and I have no doubt that Senna did as well. Remember, this guy is my favorite driver, but even I know better than to say he was the "be all - end all" of motorsport. Auto-Cross, Formula Drift, Rally/Rally-Cross, Endurance Racing, etc. - all require a different set of skills to master and I've personally met drivers who compete on an amateur level that could easily succeed as professionals (specifically in GT racing.) This isn't something limited to just racing, either. I personally have a few friends who are very dedicated football players (Soccer, to you Americans) and they played with a lot of players who are now professionals, including Zlatan Ibrahimovic - a very highly regarded player. In fact, Zlatan stole my friend's bike once! He even mentioned it in an interview once, I believe.
Anyway, my point is that even in football, there were a bunch of players who could have rolled along with the pros in terms of skills, but some are made for that lifestyle and others aren't. Senna, himself, disliked the nature of the sport he competed in. He preferred the simplicity of his karting days a whole lot more. That's something I can empathize with, cause that's the main reason why I stopped pursuing a professional career in Motorsport. Too much politics involved for my taste.
Again, not just limited to sports. There are a ton of "amateur" musicians who are extremely talented, but don't rate to be called "professionals" because they don't make a living of it. Senna is my all-time favorite athlete, but I wouldn't say that he's the greatest at every discipline.
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I don't know everything about race car driving. But I know enough about Senna to understand that his talent was transcendent. He would be second to NO ONE no matter the time, place or evenly matched car used. He worked hard at his craft. But the core of his talent was a gift. A feel, a touch a connection to the car he drove. Vision, reaction and courage. All far above his peers. None before him and none like him now. He stands alone......transcendent.
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He was a tremendous driver, but like all athletes, the legend sometimes gets a bit ridiculous.
Like I said, Senna was and always will be a great driver, but that's not to say he was un-matched.
In 1988, Senna won the F1 WDC.
He achieved Pole Position 13/16 Races (That's a very impressive number!)
In the same year, Alain Prost came Second in the F1 WDC
He achieved 7 "Fastest Laps" during races compared to Senna's 3
Senna: 90pts
Prost: 87pts
In 1990, Senna won the F1 WDC
He achieved Pole Position 10/16 Races (Still really impressive!)
In the same year, Alain Prost came Second in the F1 WDC
Both Senna and Prost achieved 2 "Fastest Laps" during the races. (Ricardo Patrese achieved 4)
Senna: 78pts
Prost: 71pts
In 1991, Senna won his third F1 WDC
He achieved Pole Position 8/16 Races
In the same year, Nigel Mansell came Second in the F1 WDC
He achieved 6 "Fastest Laps" compared to Senna's 2
Mansell retired from 5 of the 16 races, but averaged a position of 1st and 2nd place (apart from the race in Canada where he placed 6th)
Senna won 7 races that season. Mansell won 5. Had Mansell not been forced to retire and continued his average of 1st and 2nd place - or even just strictly 2nd - he would have won the WDC.
Senna: 96pts
Mansell: 72pts
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Those are just the seasons where Senna won the WDC. He was an incredible driver, especially in the wet, and he was great at qualifying - but to say that he was 'lightyears' ahead of the other drivers or anything of that sort is just not true.
Senna will always be my favorite driver, but drivers like Sir Stirling Moss and Fangio are legends to their own degree. Senna's legend just happens to be bigger than life.
EDIT: Also, my driving skills didn't magically improve once I hit professional status. In fact, they stayed about the same. I gained more experience for sure and more importantly the opportunities to utilize my skills to their full potential is what made me a faster driver in the long-run, but I didn't inherit some new set of skills because of it. I was already a really fast driver as an amateur - that's how I got picked up. A lot of "amateur" drivers are more than capable of making it big, but don't for whatever reason. To say that you need to be a professional to posses the skill is just naive. So yes, I still stand by my statement. I may very well be wrong, but at least I'm an honest fool!
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I didn't realise pCARS had an Ayrton Senna section.
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Is it worth me buying Project Cars for PS4 now or should I just wait for Asseto Corsa? The only sim I have played properly sofas is GT6. Your advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks
MC
Thanks
MC
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PCARS has come down in price and worth looking at. AC isn't going to be perfect either but honestly I think neither is a total win over the other. But PCARS is definitely worth what it is now.
