Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

[Ian_83]

I don't wish to sound rude here, but how much do you guys actually earn and spend on gaming?

I'm lucky to have a PS4 already, however I don't have disposable income to spend on yet another steering wheel.

As for the G2X being a 'toy'....... The Thrustmaster is also a toy, the PS4 is a toy, a gaming PC is essentially a posh toy, all video games are toys. They are essentially for children.

I have no doubt that the T300 is better than a G27 in some departments, but don't forget that the G27 has a semi-decent 3 pedal and H-shifter out of the box. There are arguments for and against them both and it basically boils down to cash, the G27 is a lot cheaper and offers more 'bang for buck'. The G27 also has proven reliability, which the T300 seems to be lacking.

I don't know where everyone else lives, but I live in the UK (I've seen people mention Euro's and Dollars) and a Thrustmaster (any wheel actually) is considerably more expensive than most other places in the world.

Logitech still sell the G27 on their website, they are available brand new direct from Logitech, so they either have had a huge quantity stockpiled and are selling the old stock, or they are still producing the wheel today. Either way, there should be support for the PS4 by Logitech.

As someone said above, Thrustmaster must have a deal with Sony, this alienates Logitech products and it was a decision by Sony based upon MONEY. Hopefully the deal is only for a year, in which case once the deal is over we may see Logitech's being supported, although only time will tell. Unless Sony's 'security chip' is actually real afterall.

What I don't understand is why neither Sony or Logitech have actually given anyone a straight answer and been open about what the issue is and why the support isn't possible.

Can I ask a favour? The guys that have bought a Thrustmaster wheel....can you please go away and leave this thread alone and stop trying to convert people to your way of thinking. You've bought a PS4 compatable wheel (good for you), not everyone else on here can and some simply don't want to, either for moral reasons, or because they prefer their Logitech wheel. This thread is for those that are trying to get support for their Logitech (or Fanatec) wheels on the PS4, it isn't for console/PC arguments, or Logitech/Thrustmaster wars.

Someone earlier said, "I'm hoping this will weed out more of the casual players and make the online aspect a lot more solid for it." I know that you don't intend to cause any offence, but that's a rather bold statement. I race with a G27, I'm pretty bloody good too, as are the others I race with that also use a G2X.... If I was a casual gamer I wouldn't have bothered purchasing a wheel at all, I'd just use a DS3/4 and ram you off the track with that instead. Please don't assume that people with older wheels aren't serious gamers. Thank you.

 

[mister dog]

Playing with a pad is not that much of a disaster really.
Paying double the price of the console just for a wheel that will work only for one generation is a bit silly, as in x amount of years you can sell it off once again and buy another one for 300/400 bucks if you want to stay with the up to date crowd.

Because there's a very good chance the PS5 and XBtwo will have a brand new security chip!

1) yes i did, i played with a g25 and with t300 on assetto corsa and project cars. Than we played on driveclub on ps4, but that was really arcade, you can't even downshift when you want. T300 is way better, really i can't even describe how it annihilates the g25 and i was a DFGT owner so the g25 was already good for me, you feel the car in a total different way. However guys if you don't believe i do not really care, i'm just reporting my opinion for those interested in the t300. I would invite other guys here in sharing some opinion. I do not have the wheel so i can't male proper testing for you to share.

How you think a T300 would compare to a CSR as that's my piece of kit, if i'm not mistaken a CSR is already an upgrade to a G25 no?

 

[MarcoM]

still rocking the G25 here. Compatible with everything. Oh pc version of Pcars of course. It will flip its bits with Assetto Corsa on that same hard drive.

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

I don't know where everyone else lives, but I live in the UK (I've seen people mention Euro's and Dollars) and a Thrustmaster (any wheel actually) is considerably more expensive than most other places in the world.

I live in the UK and monitored the price of the T300 for quite a while before and after ordering. It's actually cheaper to buy it here than anywhere else I looked at (France, Germany and USA). I did a comparison last week of the current prices showing pounds and the native currencies converted using the relevant exchange rates on the day. It's currently lower than that comparison at £244.38

Logitech still sell the G27 on their website, they are available brand new direct from Logitech, so they either have had a huge quantity stockpiled and are selling the old stock, or they are still producing the wheel today. Either way, there should be support for the PS4 by Logitech.

To be fair, Logitech pulled out of the console peripheral market not the PC market so those wheels are all still relevant to PC's. I suspect their pulling out from XB1 and PS4 markets (which is effectively what they've done) was directly because of what Sony and Microsoft were charging or doing for compatibility. Thrustmaster paid it and are benefitting (as are their older customers who had pre PS4/XB1 wheels). By the way I signed the petition and want to see all older wheels supported.

As someone said above, Thrustmaster must have a deal with Sony, this alienates Logitech products and it was a decision by Sony based upon MONEY. Hopefully the deal is only for a year, in which case once the deal is over we may see Logitech's being supported, although only time will tell. Unless Sony's 'security chip' is actually real afterall.

What I don't understand is why neither Sony or Logitech have actually given anyone a straight answer and been open about what the issue is and why the support isn't possible.

Can I ask a favour? The guys that have bought a Thrustmaster wheel....can you please go away and leave this thread alone and stop trying to convert people to your way of thinking. You've bought a PS4 compatable wheel (good for you), not everyone else on here can and some simply don't want to, either for moral reasons, or because they prefer their Logitech wheel. This thread is for those that are trying to get support for their Logitech (or Fanatec) wheels on the PS4, it isn't for console/PC arguments, or Logitech/Thrustmaster wars.

Actually I think it's handy that the thread s about all of those things which follow on from the title discussion. I wouldn't have bought the T300 (plus pedals and shifter ) for my PS4 and PC if it wasn't for the extra information discussed in this thread. Having all the views in this thread is a good thing and helps some weigh up alternative solutions to the problem.

In my case my solution was to upgrade from the DFGT. The T300 tears it to pieces when compared directly on GT6 and in serious PC sims. I and others are just happy to share our experiences in a semi coherent way which may possibly help others.

 

[LVracerGT]

Guess what, the T500 is not the T300.

You're right, besides the brushless motor FFB it's a madly expensive DFGT. Otherwise this has nothing to do with my last post. My stance is still valid. Spend the same amount of money on a T300 to add side shifters and a new pedal set just to get it to the same feature set as my G27. IIRC the T300 has no sequential shifter, no h-pattern shifter, and no clutch. Like I said, I could spend the same money on a brand new PC rig and get the top notch versions of the newest sims.

On the flip side, if PS4 does get Logitech support I'll save even more money and laugh as I read about everyone crying that they dropped so much money on new wheels when they didn't need to.

 

[DrJustice]

I do not wish to offend but when people use terms like 'anti consumer policies' i have to wonder whether they have a real grasp of the situation or if they genuinely believe somehow that Sony has purposely alienated them.

That was obviously aimed at me. There is a lot of anti consumer policies in the corporate world, that is policies that have a negative impact on customers, where a policy to support or satisfy customers could have ben chosen. Of course it doesn't necessarily mean that consumers are purposely alienated, it can be 'good' business deals that affect consumers negatively or it can be just pure bad decisions.

No company anywhere would 'block' a target market to spite you. Stop taking this stuff so darn personally.

I did not say that they do this to spite anyone. Blocking happens all the time in the corporate world because it's part of making (exclusive) business deals - you sometimes have to choose who you go to bed with. This is not about blocking a market, it's about companies rivalling for contracts and market shares.

It would be naïve to think that big businesses are your friends looking out for you (Sony, LT and TM are not mom & pop stores). It's all about the bottom line and about satisfying shareholders. In reality this correlates with satisfying customers most of the time, but some times it involves decisions that affects customers negatively.

...is it outrageous that GT7 shouldn't work on your PS3? Not really.

Of course not, and as an analogy it doesn't hold.

For what it's worth I'm considering a T300, but I'm worried about reliability from numerous reports of bad quality, and I also have bad experience with TM in the past. And I'm not on PS4, BTW - the chances of me buying one are slim.

 

[Johnnypenso]

For now, I still have my Logitech g27 collecting dust in its box in the corner of my dorm. I just can't convince myself to sell it yet, even though I have absolutely no use for it. I'm still fingers crossed for the eventual gap between t80 price and t300 price. There has GOT to be a wheel in development or at least thought of for a mid price point.

If I do upgrade to a T300 at some point, I'll keep my G27 as backup, and use the pedals and shifter with the new wheel, then upgrade them later if I want or need to. I still have my DFGT as backup to the G27

I do not wish to offend but when people use terms like 'anti consumer policies' i have to wonder whether they have a real grasp of the situation or if they genuinely believe somehow that Sony has purposely alienated them.

No company anywhere would 'block' a target market to spite you. Stop taking this stuff so darn personally.

It's been said before but Sony will have probably received a generous lump sum and a royalty deal from thrustmaster for exclusivity that far outweighs the money they stood to make from game and console sales. That's just good business sense, if they didn't have it then non of us would be having this discussion because they would have gone out of business a long time ago. I'm afraid in this case you're unfortunate collateral damage.

What no one knows yet is if such a deal is in place, what possible terms have been set. 1 year exclusivity, 2 years, up to x amount of units or $ sold. Who knows?

Personally I've chosen to cover my bases and gone for something I know will work, and work a whole lot better than my old hardware on launch day for project cars. Guaranteed.

When GT7 is eventually released will those people here refusing to upgrade their wheel also refuse to upgrade their console, or will they move with the times and make the investment? In my eyes it's a similar argument, is it outrageous that GT7 shouldn't work on your PS3? Not really.

Change "anti-consumer policies" to "consumer indifference policies"

You're right, besides the brushless motor FFB it's a madly expensive DFGT. Otherwise this has nothing to do with my last post. My stance is still valid. Spend the same amount of money on a T300 to add side shifters and a new pedal set just to get it to the same feature set as my G27. IIRC the T300 has no sequential shifter, no h-pattern shifter, and no clutch. Like I said, I could spend the same money on a brand new PC rig and get the top notch versions of the newest sims.

On the flip side, if PS4 does get Logitech support I'll save even more money and laugh as I read about everyone crying that they dropped so much money on new wheels when they didn't need to.

No offense but if you believe that a T300 is nothing but a madly expensive DFGT, you have no business commenting on threads about wheels. The G27 is a huge step up from the DFGT in terms of smoothness and quality, quietness of operation, real paddles instead of buttons for shifting and more. From what I've read from friends who have upgraded to the T300 it's as big or bigger a leap. I've yet to read anyone, anywhere who has said that the T300 is anything like a DFGT.

I'm not saying the T300 is good value, or that the pedals are good, those are individual preferences. I'm not saying it will make you any faster either. But if I'm going to spend hundreds of hours over the next few years and want the maximum enjoyment out of the experience, the T300 is definitely something I'd consider to further that enjoyment.

 

[mister dog]

But if I'm going to spend hundreds of hours over the next few years and want the maximum enjoyment out of the experience, the T300 is definitely something I'd consider to further that enjoyment.

If it doesn't break before you manage to do a hundred hours with it

 

[NLxAROSA]

To be fair, Logitech pulled out of the console peripheral market not the PC market so those wheels are all still relevant to PC's. I suspect their pulling out from XB1 and PS4 markets (which is effectively what they've done) was directly because of what Sony and Microsoft were charging or doing for compatibility. Thrustmaster paid it and are benefitting (as are their older customers who had pre PS4/XB1 wheels).

And guess who's ultimately paying those big, fat fees that Thrustmaster is paying to Sony and Microsoft? It's the people buying the Thrustmaster peripherals. So while I can certain agree with technological advancement resulting in unsupported hardware (e.g. your wheel no longer working on a new platform for technical reasons, or simply being obsolete), locking peripherals/parties out for financial reasons is something I absolutely hate. And I guess my main problem with these practices is that it adds extra markup (in this case at least twice) to the product. The worse part is you're also paying that markup if you buy their peripherals for PC. We can only assume that it's a substantial amount too, seeing the lack of competitive products on both platforms. Bad for us consumers...

 

[paulpg87]

If it doesn't break before you manage to do a hundred hours with it

yes, that's the issue. at the moment too unreliable and doesn't feel solid at all. I'm reading about too many problems.

 

[LVracerGT]

No offense but if you believe that a T300 is nothing but a madly expensive DFGT, you have no business commenting on threads about wheels. The G27 is a huge step up from the DFGT in terms of smoothness and quality, quietness of operation, real paddles instead of buttons for shifting and more. From what I've read from friends who have upgraded to the T300 it's as big or bigger a leap. I've yet to read anyone, anywhere who has said that the T300 is anything like a DFGT.

I'm not saying the T300 is good value, or that the pedals are good, those are individual preferences. I'm not saying it will make you any faster either. But if I'm going to spend hundreds of hours over the next few years and want the maximum enjoyment out of the experience, the T300 is definitely something I'd consider to further that enjoyment.

What I meant by that was in terms of features. If I'm not mistaken the T300 only has paddle shifters and two pedals (gas, brake). IMO that makes it comparable to the DFGT. That doesn't make in an "upgrade" to me. It's like when car manufacturers come out with a higher range model, it doesn't just get a bigger engine, it has other bells and whistles the base models don't get (referring to side shifters and 3 pedals here).

 

[Johnnypenso]

What I meant by that was in terms of features. If I'm not mistaken the T300 only has paddle shifters and two pedals (gas, brake). IMO that makes it comparable to the DFGT. That doesn't make in an "upgrade" to me. It's like when car manufacturers come out with a higher range model, it doesn't just get a bigger engine, it has other bells and whistles the base models don't get (referring to side shifters and 3 pedals here).

If that's how you see it then the T300 is not the wheel for you.

If it doesn't break before you manage to do a hundred hours with it

That's why I wouldn't sell my G27 if I bought another wheel and still have the DFGT in a box in the basement

 

[notanexpert]

I guess if you are upset with no Logitech, wait 2 months and think hard on another option... that's my best bet now. I can afford a new wheel, but being in college spending 400 dollars on a ps4 was a reallllyyy hard choice. 400 for a wheel that only works for <10 games?, I'll wait. Maybe I will really enjoy what SMS is doing with how the game pad plays. And honestly, I played forza, gt, all my life with just the game pad and survived. Only had the Logitech for gt6 (so far)

 

[wowbaggerBR]

No offense but if you believe that a T300 is nothing but a madly expensive DFGT, you have no business commenting on threads about wheels. The G27 is a huge step up from the DFGT in terms of smoothness and quality, quietness of operation, real paddles instead of buttons for shifting and more. From what I've read from friends who have upgraded to the T300 it's as big or bigger a leap. I've yet to read anyone, anywhere who has said that the T300 is anything like a DFGT.

Quite. I bought a T500 couple months ago and it is way better than the G27 that I had. I can't say anything about the T300, but if you manage to get a great deal, don't exitate: the T500 worth every cent.

 

[LeMansAid]

I don't wish to sound rude here, but how much do you guys actually earn and spend on gaming?

I'm lucky to have a PS4 already, however I don't have disposable income to spend on yet another steering wheel.

Can I ask a favour? The guys that have bought a Thrustmaster wheel....can you please go away and leave this thread alone and stop trying to convert people to your way of thinking. You've bought a PS4 compatable wheel (good for you), not everyone else on here can and some simply don't want to, either for moral reasons, or because they prefer their Logitech wheel. This thread is for those that are trying to get support for their Logitech (or Fanatec) wheels on the PS4, it isn't for console/PC arguments, or Logitech/Thrustmaster wars.

I'll quote a post of mine from the hardware forum.....

When there's an upward trajectory, obsolescence can be useful in bankrolling new and better products. We need people to buy T300 wheels so that there might eventually be a T1000, or whatever. The jump from a non-ffb wheel to a G27 is huge, but as nice as it is, the jump from a G27 to a T300 is not going to be quite as pronounced. If the T300 doesn't sell well enough, we may end up with a downward trajectory, which then repeats on itself because people hang on to their older (and better) products rather than buying the newer (and worse) products.

It's like where tv display tech is at. So many people bought in to lcd and plasma because it included the jump from sd to hd, for the most part (there are sd flat panels and hd crts). Now we've got oled trying to make an impact, but in most people's eyes there's no reason to change. Make it impossible to watch new movies on non-oled displays and suddenly the tech gets a massive life-saving boost.

Anyway, for so many reasons - just buy a damn T300!!!

We can want and ask for brilliant reliability, compatibility, price, and performance, but if we actually got that perfect package we'd risk suffocating the possibilities for the very same thing going in to the future.

I don't care if people own a Thrustmaster or not, but I do care if an upward trajectory is maintained or not. Reality is that the G27 performs as advertised and Logitech do not need to cater for assumptions and blind hopes.

I own sim racing equipment worth well over $20000 and am still looking at further purchases, so I think that I've well and truly done and will do my bit for the future of the industry, but every person that stretches their budget to get the best they can afford is doing their bit as well. The PC user can sit back and gloat that their G27 works/will work with pCARS, and the PS4/XB1 user can sit with arms crossed, resolutely refusing to purchase a new wheel, but they will both be risking doing their bit to stifle the lifeblood of our beloved sim world.

 

[Captain Roh]

Someone earlier said, "I'm hoping this will weed out more of the casual players and make the online aspect a lot more solid for it." I know that you don't intend to cause any offence, but that's a rather bold statement. I race with a G27, I'm pretty bloody good too, as are the others I race with that also use a G2X.... If I was a casual gamer I wouldn't have bothered purchasing a wheel at all, I'd just use a DS3/4 and ram you off the track with that instead. Please don't assume that people with older wheels aren't serious gamers. Thank you.

I think you misunderstood what I said, then took it personally, then forgot what I said and assumed i had called you rubbish at driving.

We here at Gtplanet are but a small percentage of the total population of gamers who play that game and I would consider us all hardcore fans. With respect to PCars our numbers are even smaller still. These are the demographic I would expect to buy into the experience as a whole over just buying the game.

Now I did say 'present company not included', because I expect that most of us are serious about sim racing. The casual gamers I was speaking of could possibly warrant spending £80 on a 'toy' like the DFGT, they would however think twice about spending £300 on that same 'toy' which happens to work with their PS4.

For what it's worth I'm considering a T300, but I'm worried about reliability from numerous reports of bad quality, and I also have bad experience with TM in the past. And I'm not on PS4, BTW - the chances of me buying one are slim.

I don't think you need to be worried about reliability, however it is common knowledge that the first batches of the T300 have issues in the assembly process. Some are quick fixes and some need replacing bit everyone gets a satisfactory outcome. You will never know unless you try it but I can recommend it from personal experience.

I was a DFGT user for reference, I didn't need a new wheel, its worked great for 5 years or more. I decided to upgrade based on what I'm being told about compatibility and bow i have it I have no issues with spending £300 for it whatsoever. DFGT worked, T300 is better. A great investment for what will be many 100's of happy hours gaming in the future

 

[DrJustice]

I don't think you need to be worried about reliability, however it is common knowledge that the first batches of the T300 have issues in the assembly process.

Right, that's what I'm hoping; that quality will improve after a few production batches. I'm in no big hurry, so I'll just hang on to my G25 until I'm ready to pick up the next wheel (waiting for the G25 to wear out or break isn't an option - I'll probably die of old age before that happens).

It would also be good if TM sees the light and start packaging the T300 with the T3PA pedal set. It seems such a waste to buy it with throw away pedals. They'll probably not do that though...

For me, that rubber rim would have to go. I can't stand them. Luckily there are adapters for the standard 70mm bolt circle, and I also think that the G2x rims can be moved over as they have the same 50mm bolt circle as the T300.

 

[insayne05]

I'm still rocking with the my original G25 $500.00 Australian when new here, not changed a thing only replacement is an upgraded spring for the brake pedal.
However I just purchased the t300rs just waiting for it now but I also bought an adapter for the G25/27 pedals to connect to the new t300rs wheel.

http://www.ricmotech.com/product_p/rmt-t500w2g27p.htm

So only need to get the shifter but that can wait for a bit.
I love my old G25 but times change and its its probably time for a change anyway. There are some very clever people out there and mods for wheels, pedals, shifter's and the like will come soon enough as they did for the logitech wheels.

 

[Captain Roh]

Right, that's what I'm hoping; that quality will improve after a few production batches. I'm in no big hurry, so I'll just hang on to my G25 until I'm ready to pick up the next wheel (waiting for the G25 to wear out or break isn't an option - I'll probably die of old age before that happens).

It would also be good if TM sees the light and start packaging the T300 with the T3PA pedal set. It seems such a waste to buy it with throw away pedals. They'll probably not do that though...

For me, that rubber rim would have to go. I can't stand them. Luckily there are adapters for the standard 70mm bolt circle, and I also think that the G2x rims can be moved over as they have the same 50mm bolt circle as the T300.

The issues are easily fixed as I said, so long as you have a bit of technical know how. I have a suspicion that any units that get sent back are just repaired instead of replaced, if they are replaced with new units they probably have a handle on the issue already.

As for thr brake box I can't really fault it, it's definitely the wheel you're paying for with the T300 but the pedals are just fine in my opinion. Similar to DFGT in versatility and construction but much better parts and build quality. Both pedals are a lot stiffer and they have proper direct mounting points. It's much easier to be precise on the brakes. Concerning the T3PA I don't think there is much if any difference in the gas and brake pedals at all. They appear to be the same construction and quality, the only difference there is the 'stiff brake mod'. Hoe well that works would be just a guess but it's my feeling that you're paying for that clutch pedal alone. Still, £90 for a 3 pedal brake box is pretty good value no? And they are good enough to last a long time.

Personally I couldn't be more happy with the wheel, but as pedal boxes go I'm going to hold out for something more substantial. I'm hoping some clever guys here at GTPlanet come up with a way to use CSP's with the T300. That would be my perfect setup

 

[iQuacks]

You're right, besides the brushless motor FFB it's a madly expensive DFGT. Spend the same amount of money on a T300 to add side shifters and a new pedal set just to get it to the same feature set as my G27.

You keep telling yourself that!!

On the flip side, if PS4 does get Logitech support I'll save even more money and laugh as I read about everyone crying that they dropped so much money on new wheels when they didn't need to.

I won't be crying, I'm rich enough to not have emotional issues when it comes to money.

 

[Simfan David]

Guys to be honest, and this is just my opinion, I don't think that we will get support for Logitech wheels on ps4. I've already accepted that and swallowed it. Plus the positive feedback I've been hearing about the t300 besides the pedals which will be worked out I'm sure, that's the way to go. as far as the conspiracy with Sony and Thrustmaster I'm ready to put that to bed. You have to accept that if you want the full experience you have to put up or shut up. End of story

 

[LVracerGT]

You keep telling yourself that!!



I won't be crying, I'm rich enough to not have emotional issues when it comes to money.

Congratulations on your deep pockets, would you like a medal for putting down less fortunate people?

 

[DrJustice]

As for thr brake box I can't really fault it, it's definitely the wheel you're paying for with the T300 but the pedals are just fine in my opinion.
...
(RE. T3PA) Still, £90 for a 3 pedal brake box is pretty good value no? And they are good enough to last a long time.

Thing is, I absolutely want a clutch, so the packaged ones are throw away in that case. Which reminds me that a T300 setup also requires a £130 stick shifter if you go TM all the way. In total that's a £550 kit (I know you can shop around and save a bit on that), and I would expect it to be very good. I'm looking forward to the upgrade

 

[iQuacks]

Congratulations on your deep pockets, would you like a medal for putting down less fortunate people?

Only if it's made out of Oreos. <---- smug

 

[Johnnypenso]

Congratulations on your deep pockets, would you like a medal for putting down less fortunate people?

Congratulations on your moral superiority as you laugh at the misfortune of others

LVracerGT said
On the flip side, if PS4 does get Logitech support I'll save even more money and laugh as I read about everyone crying that they dropped so much money on new wheels when they didn't need to.

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

The issues are easily fixed as I said, so long as you have a bit of technical know how. I have a suspicion that any units that get sent back are just repaired instead of replaced, if they are replaced with new units they probably have a handle on the issue already.

My faulty T3PA was replaced after Thrustmaster verified the problem with a video I made for them. All I had to do was prove I had deactivated the first T3PA by cutting the cable very close to the base. No need to return it, so far what it's worth I have one for spares (including extra brake mod) with only a faulty brake and cut cable.

As for thr brake box I can't really fault it, it's definitely the wheel you're paying for with the T300 but the pedals are just fine in my opinion. Similar to DFGT in versatility and construction but much better parts and build quality. Both pedals are a lot stiffer and they have proper direct mounting points. It's much easier to be precise on the brakes. Concerning the T3PA I don't think there is much if any difference in the gas and brake pedals at all. They appear to be the same construction and quality, the only difference there is the 'stiff brake mod'. Hoe well that works would be just a guess but it's my feeling that you're paying for that clutch pedal alone. Still, £90 for a 3 pedal brake box is pretty good value no? And they are good enough to last a long time.

Actually the T3PA is fairly different from the stock T300 pedals. It's a much bigger foot plate and even without the included brake mod the pedal is still stiffer than the stock one.

Personally I couldn't be more happy with the wheel, but as pedal boxes go I'm going to hold out for something more substantial. I'm hoping some clever guys here at GTPlanet come up with a way to use CSP's with the T300. That would be my perfect setup

Waiting and seeing before sorting out an upgraded pedal box is a valid option. Even without the shifter and pedal upgrades the pedals do the job and are better quality than the DFGT's, as you mention. The on wheel metal shifter paddles have a very reassuring feel to them.

 

[LVracerGT]

Congratulations on your moral superiority as you laugh at the misfortune of others

Misfortune is far different from bad decision making. And I don't see how I could laugh at something that hasn't even happened yet.

 

[Ian_83]

How's this for a wild prediction.....

The deal between Sony and Thrustmaster reaches its end. Sony then releases an update and says something like, "this update has given logitech support for the G25/27/DFGT, we at Sony worked really hard to make these wheels compatible with the PS4, we are so wonderful".

 

[FLX1981]

Actually, I sincerely hope for you Logitech fellas that this happens. Despite me joining the dark side due to my weakness of not being able to withstand ridiculously good deals, I still despise Sony/TMs business policies, I still signed the petitition to make Logitech wheels work on PS4 and I m surely not trying to convert anybody to buying TM stuff, despite me loving my T300/T500 pedals combo so far. If I wouldnt have been so fortunate to get the money for my G27 back and at the same time getting insanely good deals for both the wheel and the pedals, I would still sit in the same boat as you guys.

 

[azidahaka]

How's this for a wild prediction.....

The deal between Sony and Thrustmaster reaches its end. Sony then releases an update and says something like, "this update has given logitech support for the G25/27/DFGT, we at Sony worked really hard to make these wheels compatible with the PS4, we are so wonderful".

Won't happen. Logitech is not paying for devkits/license to develop drivers/software for ps4 (costs a substantial amount) since they pulled off consoles. I can't see Sony to take the burden on themselves and reverse engineer how Logitech wheels work/answer commands...

DFGT user btw.