Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

[mu22stang]

Why not buy a wheel that is actually good and not what you've come to consider good? I realize this is in direct conflict with the thread, but I feel it's a valid question. It's pretty simple. Swallow your pride, save your pennies, sell your old wheel, etc. I'm not sure I understand any of the arguments, especially if you go and buy another one...

Unless of course, it's literally impossible to afford a better wheel. And just to be clear, there are better wheels. The toy comment is the truth. A hard pill to swallow, I realize.

 

[paulpg87]

Why not buy a wheel that is actually good and not what you've come to consider good? I realize this is in direct conflict with the thread, but I feel it's a valid question. It's pretty simple. Swallow your pride, save your pennies, sell your old wheel, etc. I'm not sure I understand any of the arguments, especially if you go and buy another one...

Unless of course, it's literally impossible to afford a better wheel. And just to be clear, there are better wheels. The toy comment is the truth. A hard pill to swallow, I realize.

my only concern is that more than the half of this new good wheels are broken out of the box. I have it in my shopping bag on amazon, i wrote to the customers who made the review and bought the product there (just 4 in italy) they answered in 3 and 2 already replaced their wheels due to broken pedals (brake only register at 50%) and no more calibration on ps4. It's not encouraging to spend a lot (here 296€ for a new GTE) and then being burden with all the refund or replace process. Again 4 physcal friends having it, 4 failures. Having it fully working is just a matter of luck.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Why not buy a wheel that is actually good and not what you've come to consider good? I realize this is in direct conflict with the thread, but I feel it's a valid question. It's pretty simple. Swallow your pride, save your pennies, sell your old wheel, etc. I'm not sure I understand any of the arguments, especially if you go and buy another one...

Unless of course, it's literally impossible to afford a better wheel. And just to be clear, there are better wheels. The toy comment is the truth. A hard pill to swallow, I realize.

What? And validate not supporting Logitech wheels on PS4? That would tell Sony etc. that they are right and they shouldn't support my fully Functional working wheel. No 🤬 Way!

 

[mister dog]

That's funny. I thought the argument was that's it's "unfair" to force players to spend more money on a new wheel. So, you resist the man by buying another outdated toy?

That'll show 'em!

He is satisfied with his current wheel and bought a cheap backup in case it breaks, he didn't replace a wheel that's working perfectly fine because Sony and MS made his current one incompatible under false pretexts. So the argument we are making here still stands in my opinion and frankly i don't understand why you don't see the difference.

I did the same; already had a CSR and bought a GT3 RS as a backup. Both are of better quality and less expensive than those 300 - 400€ Thrustmasters they are trying to force on us now.

 

[VBR]

Why not buy a wheel that is actually good and not what you've come to consider good? I realize this is in direct conflict with the thread, but I feel it's a valid question. It's pretty simple. Swallow your pride, save your pennies, sell your old wheel, etc. I'm not sure I understand any of the arguments, especially if you go and buy another one...

Unless of course, it's literally impossible to afford a better wheel. And just to be clear, there are better wheels. The toy comment is the truth. A hard pill to swallow, I realize.

Wow...just, wow.

 

[paulpg87]

however i can add that today i tried for the first time a t300 GTE, it might be a matter of luck having it working properly but guys damn when it works.. logitech wheels compared to that are nothing. Sorry but is in a totally different league, you can really see how can be outdated a product like g25 or g27. You can't understand till you try it. I was skpetical but is such an improvement, incredible. The pedals were those of the t500 so i can't say nothing about basic pedals.

 

[jimipitbull]

however i can add that today i tried for the first time a t300 GTE, it might be a matter of luck having it working properly but guys damn when it works.. logitech wheels compared to that are nothing. Sorry but is in a totally different league, you can really see how can be outdated a product like g25 or g27. You can't understand till you try it. I was skpetical but is such an improvement, incredible. The pedals were those of the t500 so i can't say nothing about basic pedals.

Did it improve your lap times? If not, please define 'improvement'.

 

[paulpg87]

Did it improve your lap times? If not, please define 'improvement'.

everything, precision, smoothness, but force feedback expecially, every aspect of the wheel is better. You really notice there is a new tech behind it. Surely it improves you driving, you have a way better sensation of what is really going on. I didn't have any laptime to check, it wasn't my pc, neither my house or wheel. If it's worth 300€ i don't know, surely is way better than a g25 (speaking about the wheel).

However now i'm not gonna buy it, too unreliable, too many broken out of the box.

 

[jacnob]

Aww, I like my DFGT

I might just have to get a new wheel for PS4 then.


EDIT: Yikes, most of those PS4 supported wheels are expensive.

 

[Johnnypenso]

however i can add that today i tried for the first time a t300 GTE, it might be a matter of luck having it working properly but guys damn when it works.. logitech wheels compared to that are nothing. Sorry but is in a totally different league, you can really see how can be outdated a product like g25 or g27. You can't understand till you try it. I was skpetical but is such an improvement, incredible. The pedals were those of the t500 so i can't say nothing about basic pedals.

I really want this wheel!! The reliability issue is holding me back. Hopefully they fix a lot of the issues with a second generation.

 

[notanexpert]

Aaannnndd hopefully the second generation comes out by march. And is $100 cheaper. And with 3 pedals. With shifter.

 

[Fasthunt517]

Sign the petition for Logitech and Fanatec Support for PS4! Thanks: https://www.change.org/p/sony-add-logitech-and-fanatec-wheel-support-to-ps4

 

[Ian_83]

EDIT: Yikes, most of those PS4 supported wheels are expensive.

Exactly.

Your DFGT may not be a really great wheel, but it works okay and why should you be forced into changing it....

To swap for something similar in spec as what I have (G27) is damn expensive for me, I certainly can't justify the cost. I'm also assuming that I'll probably need to get a new whellstand too, unless I can modify my current one to suit.

I'm not going to be buying Project Cars, I would love to, but I'm not racing with a DS4 or buying a new wheel when there's nothing wrong with my current one. Project Cars looks awesome and the devs have done a great job on the visuals, I hope that it plays as well as it looks and that it's a success. 👍

 

[Captain Roh]

I'm going to flip this debate on its head like the metaphorical coin that it is, and say that thrustmaster exclusivity will only better the experience for the adopters. Most of the present company excluded, and also no offence intended, I'm hoping this will weed out more of the casual players and make the online aspect a lot more solid for it. I was a DFGT user myself until a month or so ago, I now use a T300 because I accepted what I must do to play the games I love on the platform I've chosen. I bit the bullet, made the investment but it seems there are a lot of people out there who won't on principle. I say forget all that and do what makes you smile at all cost.

Oh and the T300 is as good an improvement over the DFGT as you would hope it to be. Superb!

The small percentage of us who took the plunge know this to be true, why don't you do the same and join the 5%

 

[LVracerGT]

I'm still holding onto my G27. IMO you guys that are dropping hundreds of dollars on new wheels before we actually see if Logitech wheels get support are 🤬 crazy, especially when someone from Neogaf is claiming Kaz told him directly Logitech wheels will work on PS4.

My G27 works perfectly. This hoopla about Thrustmasters being so much better FFB wise, I used the T500 during GT Academy nationals and the only difference I noticed was the wheel strength. FFB detail is effected more by the way it's built in the game than the wheel tech. I personally did not like the T500, the rim compared to my G27 is small and the brake pedal felt like the DFGT in terms of resistance.

I could spend the amount of money it would cost me to get a Thrustmaster wheel to have the same features as my G27 on a brand new PC rig and have access to more and better versions of racing sims.

 

[iQuacks]

I'm still holding onto my G27. IMO you guys that are dropping hundreds of dollars on new wheels before we actually see if Logitech wheels get support are 🤬 crazy, especially when someone from Neogaf is claiming Kaz told him directly Logitech wheels will work on PS4.

My G27 works perfectly. This hoopla about Thrustmasters being so much better FFB wise, I used the T500 during GT Academy nationals and the only difference I noticed was the wheel strength. FFB detail is effected more by the way it's built in the game than the wheel tech. I personally did not like the T500, the rim compared to my G27 is small and the brake pedal felt like the DFGT in terms of resistance.

I could spend the amount of money it would cost me to get a Thrustmaster wheel to have the same features as my G27 on a brand new PC rig and have access to more and better versions of racing sims.

Guess what, the T500 is not the T300.

 

[Captain Roh]

Yeah T300 wheel is upgrade from T500 even if pedal set is a little Worse. Also why do people keep harping on about a Pc build on a PS4 thread?

DFGT, G25/27, they're old, even if they work as well now as when they came out of the box. And yes LVracer you're right, FFB etc is completely dependant on software not hardware. However, with quantum leap in software you need hardware that can process that information.

But my point still stands, I bought into a new set up because it's currently the only way to play PS4 titles with a decent wheel. Fact. I'm not going to sit on my hands because Kaz said you should. He has been wrong before

 

[FLX1981]

Sorry but I m not buying that Logitech rumour. First, I dont care what Kaz says because the word of that man is proven to be unreliable at best. And secondly, Logitech themselves said that they are out of the console periphal market and the G27 isnt produced anymore. So why should they invest money in making a ps4 driver for the G27, even if Sony would give them the green light? It makes no sense, from a business point of view.

 

[mister dog]

I now use a T300 because I accepted what I must do to play the games I love on the platform I've chosen. I bit the bullet, made the investment but it seems there are a lot of people out there who won't on principle. I say forget all that and do what makes you smile at all cost.

It's more about making those vultures smile because their little scheme to force us to buy a new wheel worked like a charm. I'm also thinking it's mostly the software of next gen games and how it implements the FFB and such that makes the true difference and this T300 is not a quantum leap forwards compared to a fanatec/ logitech (if it doesn't break that is).

I'd rather invest the 300-400 bucks needed to upgrade into a gaming pc.

 

[paulpg87]

i think some people still have to realize the fact that having a logitech that still works perfectly and do not wanting to spend money on a new wheel is a legit choice... but this choice doesn't make older wheels better or at the samel level of a new tech T300. From my experience on pc gaming there is a huge difference from logitech wheels to t300 which is way better (and to clarify i don't have it, neither i want to spend 300€ on it now, too expensive)

Moreover i do not get why people are still speaking about buying a pc or a fanatec wheel when clearly people here is interested in ps4 gaming.

 

[mister dog]

i think some people still have to realize the fact that having a logitech that still works perfectly and do not wanting to spend money on a new wheel is a legit choice... but this choice doesn't make older wheels better or at the samel level of a new tech T300. From my experience on pc gaming there is a huge difference from logitech wheels to t300 which is way better (and to clarify i don't have it, neither i want to spend 300€ on it now, too expensive)

To have a fair comparison you need to play the game you tried with the T300 with an older Logitech/fanatec to see the true difference, because how the game itself implements the feel is a major factor and that might have been what made it seem right, not the quality of the wheel.

Moreover i do not get why people are still speaking about buying a pc or a fanatec wheel when clearly people here is interested in ps4 gaming.

Because they are the alternatives.

 

[paulpg87]

To have a fair comparison you need to play the game you tried with the T300 with an older Logitech/fanatec to see the true difference, because how the game itself implements the feel is a major factor and that might have been what made it seem right, not the quality of the wheel.

Because they are the alternatives.

1) yes i did, i played with a g25 and with t300 on assetto corsa and project cars. Than we played on driveclub on ps4, but that was really arcade, you can't even downshift when you want. T300 is way better, really i can't even describe how it annihilates the g25 and i was a DFGT owner so the g25 was already good for me, you feel the car in a total different way. However guys if you don't believe i do not really care, i'm just reporting my opinion for those interested in the t300. I would invite other guys here in sharing some opinion. I do not have the whell so i can't male proper testing for you to share.

2) the only alternatives are pad, t80 and t100 (to the cited t300/500). There are no other alternatives for ps4 and here we are speaking about wheel support for ps4 not about playing the game in general.

 

[paulpg87]

Sorry but I m not buying that Logitech rumour. First, I dont care what Kaz says because the word of that man is proven to be unreliable at best. And secondly, Logitech themselves said that they are out of the console periphal market and the G27 isnt produced anymore. So why should they invest money in making a ps4 driver for the G27, even if Sony would give them the green light? It makes no sense, from a business point of view.

if i remeber well You have both g27 and g300, i read it somewhere. what do you think?
i personally think, as i wrote, that there is such a gap between the two that i was amazed the first time i tried it.. but maybe is just me so i'm interested in your opinion. Thanks for sharing.

 

[FLX1981]

See here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ps4-t300-gte-or-t500rs.319404/page-3#post-10334427
And here: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/ps4-t300-gte-or-t500rs.319404/page-4#post-10359931

Short answer: I agree with you.

 

[DrJustice]

Sorry but I m not buying that Logitech rumour. First, I dont care what Kaz says because the word of that man is proven to be unreliable at best. And secondly, Logitech themselves said that they are out of the console periphal market and the G27 isnt produced anymore. So why should they invest money in making a ps4 driver for the G27, even if Sony would give them the green light? It makes no sense, from a business point of view.

We don't really know if Logitech has stopped producing the G27 and DFGT. They still sell these wheels themselves on their site(s) marketing them both as PS2 and PS3 console compatible. I don't think the 1st party would have NOS wheels in stock 1.5 years after they supposedly pulled out of console peripherals market. Independent shops might have NOS, yes, but I doubt Logitech would, so I suspect these wheels are being produced - the R&D and tooling was paid off an eon ago, so having the Chinese factory churn out these wheels for them is as good as printing money as long as there is buyers.

Perhaps the "pulled out of console peripherals market" meant that they're not doing any new development, but keep producing what they can sell for as long as it makes sense.

Now, we can only speculate about why there are no drivers. Logitech has supposedly issued a statement to the effect that they're (were...) waiting for Sony to take action (unverified). There are certainly no technical reasons why there is no driver, it is a pure business case. If Logitech did make PS4 drivers, it's my guess that they could shift these wheels to PS4 customers almost indefinitely (in console lifetime speak) since it is considerably cheaper than the comparable next step up (T300 + T3PA). Sony would also sell some more consoles and games if the PS4 supported the current as well as new G2x owners. I'm not convinced that it wouldn't make business sense.

So why don't they? Is Sony firmly in bed with Thrustmaster and therefore blocking Logitech? Don't Logitech care about making a stack? Plainly bad managerial decisions in either company? Long term carefully thought out policies? We will probably never know, and at this point I doubt we'll see anything in this affair changing (I'd be happy to be proven wrong though!).

In sum, the anti consumer policies of Sony seems to have been successful, and at least their partner, Thrustmaster, sell more wheels than they would have without their deal. That's about what I have gleamed from all this.

 

[notanexpert]

For now, I still have my Logitech g27 collecting dust in its box in the corner of my dorm. I just can't convince myself to sell it yet, even though I have absolutely no use for it. I'm still fingers crossed for the eventual gap between t80 price and t300 price. There has GOT to be a wheel in development or at least thought of for a mid price point.

 

[Captain Roh]

I do not wish to offend but when people use terms like 'anti consumer policies' i have to wonder whether they have a real grasp of the situation or if they genuinely believe somehow that Sony has purposely alienated them.

No company anywhere would 'block' a target market to spite you. Stop taking this stuff so darn personally.

It's been said before but Sony will have probably received a generous lump sum and a royalty deal from thrustmaster for exclusivity that far outweighs the money they stood to make from game and console sales. That's just good business sense, if they didn't have it then non of us would be having this discussion because they would have gone out of business a long time ago. I'm afraid in this case you're unfortunate collateral damage.

What no one knows yet is if such a deal is in place, what possible terms have been set. 1 year exclusivity, 2 years, up to x amount of units or $ sold. Who knows?

Personally I've chosen to cover my bases and gone for something I know will work, and work a whole lot better than my old hardware on launch day for project cars. Guaranteed.

When GT7 is eventually released will those people here refusing to upgrade their wheel also refuse to upgrade their console, or will they move with the times and make the investment? In my eyes it's a similar argument, is it outrageous that GT7 shouldn't work on your PS3? Not really.

 

[NLxAROSA]

2) the only alternatives are pad, t80 and t100 (to the cited t300/500). There are no other alternatives for ps4 and here we are speaking about wheel support for ps4 not about playing the game in general.

It's definitely an alternative for people who haven't made up their mind yet about getting a PS4 (PS3 users with a Logitech wheel). Support for their current wheel is a major factor in deciding to get a PS4 or not since it will add to the amount of costs required to be able to play pCARS with a wheel. They have basically two options:

1. Buy a new wheel + PS4
2. Keep wheel and buy PC

This is assuming nobody wants to go back to pad from wheel.

In terms of costs, both options are fairly close, especially if the 'old wheel=toy' argument is taken into account (which means a new wheel + pedals is going to be expensive). Note that if you want to go down the 'toy' argument that the PS4 is also a toy compared to the PC, but I don't want to be the elitist here, so I say that both the Logitech/low end wheels and the PS4 are valid components (not everybody wants to spend a fortune on hardware).

But my choice would be clear if I had an old-gen wheel (DFGT, G25, G27, etc. etc.) and needed to spend a lot of money: I would get the superior platform first and upgrade the wheel later. Note that I play a lot of more games than just pCARS or racing sims.

When GT7 is eventually released will those people here refusing to upgrade their wheel also refuse to upgrade their console, or will they move with the times and make the investment? In my eyes it's a similar argument, is it outrageous that GT7 shouldn't work on your PS3? Not really.

I don't think it is. But I also think the time to shell out for new hardware/software is the perfect time to consider alternatives/weigh your options. 👍

 

[Captain Roh]

I agree with all of that. So just for information I already own a PS4 since release because I prefer console gaming. Never been into personal computers so my options were very much clear.

I also thought it safe to assume most people in this thread owned a PS4 already, or planned to get one solely, or at least mostly because of PCars. There is a separate thread for discussing weighing up console vs pc options 👍

 

[NLxAROSA]

If you have PS4 already (or almost certain to get one), there is no option: just get a PS4-supported wheel. 👍 (Or don't play racing/driving sims )