Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

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550 dollars is 447 euros ;)
T300 = 399 euros + PS4= 399 euros, total = 798 euros - 447 you save 351 euros with the Alpha.
T300 = 299.99 Euros + PS4 with Driveclub = 389.99 Euros, total = 689.98 Euros - 499 euros for base model, weaker than PS4 and likely will struggle to play future games especially pCARS. You have left only 190.98 Euros with no steering wheel or your existing one which has still value and could be sold to buy a new one.
 
I've read good and bad things about the T100. Looks like it'd get the job done, but some reviews say it broke down quickly and had to be replaced. Others praise it. It's definitely more in my price range and I know I don't need all that much FFB. On the other hand, the T300RS seems to be more reliable and might last much longer, which would ultimately be cheaper for me, money wise. Plus, I could turn the FFB down, so that it wouldn't be so strong.
 
T300 = 299.99 Euros + PS4 with Driveclub = 389.99 Euros, total = 689.98 Euros - 499 euros for base model, weaker than PS4 and likely will struggle to play future games especially pCARS. You have left only 190.98 Euros with no steering wheel or your existing one which has still value and could be sold to buy a new one.
I checked on amazon for the T300, where you find it 100€ cheaper? In any case if you have a wheel then for sure you save money with that Alpha, also taking into account steam games are cheaper and you don't have to pay an annual subscription for online neither. In the reviews i read they all said that the newest games run fine on it too, so i suppose PCARS shouldn't be a problem. Only for the long term future a console would be less risky as the tech stays good for at least 5 years whilst on the Alpha it might become obsolete quicker.
 
I checked on amazon for the T300, where you find it 100€ cheaper? In any case if you have a wheel then for sure you save money with that Alpha, also taking into account steam games are cheaper and you don't have to pay an annual subscription for online neither. In the reviews i read they all said that the newest games run fine on it too, so i suppose PCARS shouldn't be a problem. Only for the long term future a console would be less risky as the tech stays good for at least 5 years whilst on the Alpha it might become obsolete quicker.
T300 for 299.99 Euro: Link

Having played pCARS on laptop with similar CPU, I imagine it will struggle to play pCARS as well as a PS4 will.

PS4 games are cheap too, given you can use them on multiple accounts. I imagine buying that base model of current Alpha will be losing you money as really you would want one with Quad Core and given improvements for 2015 in terms of hardware, it won't be very desirable to buy used unless at a much lower price. My PC which I've had for over a year is considerably more powerful and cost me less than the Alpha. For me, main thing I do online is leaderboard stuff which is free on PS4. I don't think I've played one online race this year on PS3 or at all on GT6 for example so far but PS Plus is tempting given number of good games they allow access too as a part of the membership.

You can always sell your old wheel to pay towards a new one, I know I could get similar amount I paid for my G27 back if I sell it and as I got my T300 for a low price, cost of upgrading might be less than £60. Sure I might not have as good pedals and no shifter but get a wheel that is similar to CSW V2 in terms of technology used.
 
I might still buy a next gen console if they hit the 300 mark, but out of principle there is one thing i will not do and that is to buy another wheel just because of this consumer scam Thrustmaster arranged together with Sony and MS. I'd rather eat my own dirty socks than fall for that scheme.

In any case these little steam pc's/ consoles look promising for people that want to make the move to pc, and i'm sure similar ones will be released during 2015 with even better specs.
 
I might still buy a next gen console if they hit the 300 mark, but out of principle there is one thing i will not do and that is to buy another wheel just because of this consumer scam Thrustmaster arranged together with Sony and MS. I'd rather eat my own dirty socks than fall for that scheme.

In any case these little steam pc's/ consoles look promising for people that want to make the move to pc, and i'm sure similar ones will be released during 2015 with even better specs.
Maybe as soon as next year, might be hitting that price. I'm personally grateful that Thrustmaster decided to make advanced wheels for the new consoles as if they didn't, might be currently at a situation on PS4 having no FFB wheels working at present time. I imagine profit margins on these products can't be that good too. Hopefully Logitech get their wheel drivers to work on PS4, that way you might be able to use your Fanatec wheel on that platform.
 
Maybe as soon as next year, might be hitting that price. I'm personally grateful that Thrustmaster decided to make advanced wheels for the new consoles as if they didn't, might be currently at a situation on PS4 having no FFB wheels working at present time. I imagine profit margins on these products can't be that good too. Hopefully Logitech get their wheel drivers to work on PS4, that way you might be able to use your Fanatec wheel on that platform.
"Getting them to work" makes it sound like a technical issue which I can't believe is true. PS4 is the same architecture as a PC so it should literally be copy and paste or nearly so with PC drivers. The hold up is money/licensing/TM exclusive/bogus security chip issue/politics or something else, because it sure can't be difficult to get the Logitech wheels working with what is essentially a PC with a PS logo on it.
 
"Getting them to work" makes it sound like a technical issue which I can't believe is true. PS4 is the same architecture as a PC so it should literally be copy and paste or nearly so with PC drivers. The hold up is money/licensing/TM exclusive/bogus security chip issue/politics or something else, because it sure can't be difficult to get the Logitech wheels working with what is essentially a PC with a PS logo on it.
It won't be copy and paste as it is not the same OS as Windows and different architecture from PS3. It might have money and licensing issues too but they are all barriers to getting them to work and I imagine Thrustmaster also faced them too. What is bogus about the security chip? It affects Thrustmaster devices which can't get full compatibility like the T500RS and T100.
 
It won't be copy and paste as it is not the same OS as Windows and different architecture from PS3. It might have money and licensing issues too but they are all barriers to getting them to work and I imagine Thrustmaster also faced them too. What is bogus about the security chip? It affects Thrustmaster devices which can't get full compatibility like the T500RS and T100.
It's not copy and paste but you can't tell me that Logitech, a $Billion+ corporation is taking more than a year to get something as simple as a console peripheral to work. There's something else afoot here and it's not technical difficulties.
What's bogus about the security chip is that it doesn't affect backwards compatibility of perhiperals working in the game, they just won't have full functionality, and the T500 is in that boat. So any mention of the security chip in relation to why older wheels don't work in game is bogus. It's a minor inconvenience at best to have to use DS4 to navigate menu's and wouldn't stop anyone from using an older wheel and saving hundreds of dollars by doing so. As I said, there's something else preventing Fanatec and Logitech from adopting their peripherals to the new consoles.
 
550 dollars is 447 euros ;)
T300 = 399 euros + PS4= 399 euros, total = 798 euros - 447 you save 351 euros with the Alpha.

yes i was considering the wheel, i do not have the logitech wheel anymore as i sold it.
However in italy t300 is 299 and ps4 370 with 3 games everywhere.

Furthermore i want to play uncharted, the order and gran turismo. i still like play exclusive too much to move to pc just for project cars. My only problem is the wheel in terms of reliability, i'm ok to buy it for 299 but seems like almost everyone had failures which is unacceptable.
 
yes i was considering the wheel, i do not have the logitech wheel anymore as i sold it.
However in italy t300 is 299 and ps4 370 with 3 games everywhere.

Furthermore i want to play uncharted, the order and gran turismo. i still like play exclusive too much to move to pc just for project cars. My only problem is the wheel in terms of reliability, i'm ok to buy it for 299 but seems like almost everyone had failures which is unacceptable.
If you want exclusives you have no choice but to get the PS4, but in terms of racing/driving games you wouldn't be getting a PC just for AC. There are a wealth of driving/racing games/sims on the PC that are worth the investment of your time. Assetto Corsa made right at one of your local tracks, Vallelunga, halfway down the boot from you, is a fantastic simulator that will put you into the car like no other game I've ever played. Spintires is an awesome game driving heavy vehicles through the mud. Wreckfest is an awesome smash up derby type racing game with awesome soft body physics and great FFB. Euro Truck Simulator is a truck driving game, basically just driving around Europe picking up and delivering loads. Great fun with a TrackiR and the ability to look around the cab. On top of that there's every racing simulator ever made and they are almost giving them away at this point. If you can afford it, a PC is a great investment for a lover of sim racing.
 
Why mention the older G25 model and not say anything about the newer G27 or Fanatec wheels? Sounds fishy. Just my humble opinion. Cheers.
 
Why mention the older G25 model and not say anything about the newer G27 or Fanatec wheels? Sounds fishy. Just my humble opinion. Cheers.

I think Kaz knows there are other models of wheels. So the G25 could be an example of a collective term.

If Kaz doesn't know the G27 or Fanatec wheels then well... Damn :lol: 
 
It's not copy and paste but you can't tell me that Logitech, a $Billion+ corporation is taking more than a year to get something as simple as a console peripheral to work. There's something else afoot here and it's not technical difficulties.
What's bogus about the security chip is that it doesn't affect backwards compatibility of perhiperals working in the game, they just won't have full functionality, and the T500 is in that boat. So any mention of the security chip in relation to why older wheels don't work in game is bogus. It's a minor inconvenience at best to have to use DS4 to navigate menu's and wouldn't stop anyone from using an older wheel and saving hundreds of dollars by doing so. As I said, there's something else preventing Fanatec and Logitech from adopting their peripherals to the new consoles.
It is a department that they might have shrunk down a lot to reduce costs in order to get company back to making profits. It also might involve help / permission from likes of Immersion and I wonder if there are extra fees to be paid for them. For a loss making business, I imagine it is quite an important decision on how to approach it as it is something they seem to want to originally discontinue support but now need to justify supporting it and I wonder at what cost.

I think they only mentioned about it regarding full functionality so don't see how it is bogus? Did Fanatec ever have wheel with official PS3 support?
 
you wont get a g27 working unless you go for 1 of those 3rd party dongles with the chip in it.control pad must also be connected to the dongle to trick ps4 into thinking its a registered device connected but sony will probably release a security update to combat it so your probably wasting your time. theres not much logitech can do, they dont have the chip built in, the only thing logitech can do is make the compatability usb dongle but sony would not allow it as it would render the security chip pointless. weve all been screwed over.
 
I would have a ps4 under xmas tree if they officially announced support for it. Might get one anyway, but dfgt support would sell me one istantly
 
He was talking to PD not Sony.

On the chip thing, it has been said before it is only needed for full ps4 support (menus etc) Not need for driving only like the t500 support on ps4
Logitech themselves have thrown up the "security chip" issue as a reason for lack of support themselves. Either way, unless someone makes some drivers for the Logitech wheels, they'll never work, chip or no chip. My guess is Logitech and Sony are locked in a battle of who pays for development of the drivers because Logitech no longer sees itself as concerned with the console market and there's probably a lot of 🤬 waving going on as well. Logitech might even see not making drivers for the system as a way of sticking it to Sony.

I would have a ps4 under xmas tree if they officially announced support for it. Might get one anyway, but dfgt support would sell me one instantly
You and a few hundred thousand others I suspect. Don't hold your breath though:banghead:
 
My honest impression is that any developer wishing to contact Logitech might have a deal to make the wheels work with normal functions (so no share buttons or such) as long they pay a bit to Logitech for the usage/porting of their drivers. That if Logitech might be bothered in any way to do such a thing and work for a Market they choose to forget and leave.

I'm pretty sure it's all a software issue as shown by the TS500 working without the chip... It works because software allows it to and contain the drivers needed in the game.
 
My honest impression is that any developer wishing to contact Logitech might have a deal to make the wheels work with normal functions (so no share buttons or such) as long they pay a bit to Logitech for the usage/porting of their drivers. That if Logitech might be bothered in any way to do such a thing and work for a Market they choose to forget and leave.

I'm pretty sure it's all a software issue as shown by the TS500 working without the chip... It works because software allows it to and contain the drivers needed in the game.

I think you are correct in your impression.

There was a link around here to an article on Eurogamer which explained the process for getting older controllers to work on PS4, it goes something like this:
  1. Sony release development kit to peripheral manufacturer.
  2. Manufacturer creates drivers for their devices.
  3. Manufacturers release drivers to game developers
Fanatec and Mad Catz have stated they want to develop drivers but only Thrustmaster have been allowed to have the SDK, hence T500 compatibility.

So in the first instance, Sony is holding back. This could be a temporary ploy to give Thrustmaster a head start in the sale of wheels and other controllers or a totally exclusive arrangement. No-one outside of Sony and Thrustmaster appear to know and they are not saying.

As for us Logitech wheel users, the outlook is more muddied. Given Logitech's commitment to withdraw from the peripheral market, there is no certainty they would invest in creating the drivers even if the SDK was available.
 
All those problems with the pedals of the T300RS don't sound good. Am I right in saying Thrustmaster is aware of them and will have them sorted out once I buy my wheel come March so I won't have such problems? :D

EDIT: Oops, might be the wrong thread. :guilty: Posted it in the T300 vs T500 one now.
 
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it looks like Thrustmaster and Sony are monopolising the market to drive sales... risky strategy in this day an age. i just got a g27 and would love it to work with PCars...
 
it looks like Thrustmaster and Sony are monopolising the market to drive sales... risky strategy in this day an age. i just got a g27 and would love it to work with PCars...
It does work...with a PC. By the way, please use capitals at the beginning of your sentences. Thank you.👍
 
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