Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Bit gutted myself, was hoping that DFGT wheel would work, hopefully like they mentioned the list is still unfinished, will this put me off buying Project cars ? No still one of my most anticipated racing games ever.

I'm going to buy a Thrustmaster T80 until GT 7 comes out, then I will get a T300RS for $399.99, because I don't have the PS4 system yet, but I have until March 17 2014 that's when Project Cars comes out, If Project Cars is all that I think it will be I will buy The T300 RS for it a lot sooner than The GT 7 Release in late 2015 early 2016. by than the T300 RS may have had a price drop, and I will give the T80 to my niece, or let my wife use it so we can play together.

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

Most Race Cars and 90% Of Super Cars have paddle or sequential shifters, so it seems as though Clutch & H-Shifters are going the way of the Dodo Bird, unless you drive Classic Cars, but they are pretty much obsolete.

Throwing a gear change is more manly though.

My Thrustmaster H-pattern (8 way shifter will get plenty of use on my version of Project Cars and many love that feature. Whether the gear stick will ultimately disappear in the long term is certainly no excuse to not support the Logitech and Fanatech systems.

There are plenty of real car enthusiasts who will tell you they want the same too. One of the main reasons I chose my Fiesta ST last year was because the RenaultSport Clio had flappy paddles and the Fiesta had a proper gear stick. We have flappy paddles in our Merc and they're just not as engaging (and neither is the sequential shifter).

 

[Sele1981]

PC Gaming is not for everyone. I'm not interested in it.

Before anyone says anything, I have tried it, I've had a PC that could game not too long ago but it wasn't my cup of cocoa.

I still have faith in consoles, just a lot of stupidity and bad decisions going on that can be resolved.

You say A but not B. Why is PC gaming not for everyone?

 

[TayeezSA]

You say A but not B. Why is PC gaming not for everyone?

What do you mean I say A but not B?

To correct my previous statement, I've had a few PCs that could run games. Meaning it had a Graphics Card, decent processor etc.

People have different reasons but I'll speak some of my own as to why I don't have an interest in it. I'm pretty computer savvy and I understand that a PC is stronger than a console graphics and performance wise however it's not my medium of choice. Don't think I'm saying a PC is rubbish.

First off for me is the cost. For my purposes now I want to get a gaming laptop now as opposed to a desktop because I'm constantly moving my current laptop around and I'm also doing work (School, Photos and Video) on the go. That on its own is pricey, R12000/USD$1200 pricey for something decent.. Sure you can build a R4000/USD$400 (Lowest I've seen here in SA actually is R6700 which is a little more expensive than a PS4) tower that can match a PS4 but the common misconception is that people think with this USD$400 they can run Ultra on all their games. If you want the best of the best then you have to spend, over USD$400. Does that price include the monitor, keyboard and other peripherals if you don't have them? I think not. It's like ordering Euro cars, you have the base price but then extras come along...

Consoles I find are more streamlined than a PC. Put in your game, update if you must then play. Whereas from my own experiences. It was cumbersome to setup some games and to my frustrations I'd find out some games wouldn't work or run properly because I didn't have this driver, that graphics card spec, this Open GL, just wouldn't work etc. Next thing I know, I can't return the games because of the Consumer Protection Act, money wasted. With consoles what you see is what you get and you have that surety that whatever you'll get for it will work.

Lastly, I haven't had the fun I've had on a console on a PC. Nothing really has caught my attention PC wise also. Assetto Corsa looks interesting but it doesn't grab me.

 

[Wolfe]

Most Race Cars and 90% Of Super Cars have paddle or sequential shifters, so it seems as though Clutch & H-Shifters are going the way of the Dodo Bird, unless you drive Classic Cars, but they are pretty much obsolete.

Older cars will be included in games like this for many years to come, though.

 

[Sele1981]

What do you mean I say A but not B?

To correct my previous statement, I've had a few PCs that could run games. Meaning it had a Graphics Card, decent processor etc.

People have different reasons but I'll speak some of my own as to why I don't have an interest in it. I'm pretty computer savvy and I understand that a PC is stronger than a console graphics and performance wise however it's not my medium of choice. Don't think I'm saying a PC is rubbish.

First off for me is the cost. For my purposes now I want to get a gaming laptop now as opposed to a desktop because I'm constantly moving my current laptop around and I'm also doing work (School, Photos and Video) on the go. That on its own is pricey, R12000/USD$1200 pricey for something decent.. Sure you can build a R4000/USD$400 (Lowest I've seen here in SA actually is R6700 which is a little more expensive than a PS4) tower that can match a PS4 but the common misconception is that people think with this USD$400 they can run Ultra on all their games. If you want the best of the best then you have to spend, over USD$400. Does that price include the monitor, keyboard and other peripherals if you don't have them? I think not. It's like ordering Euro cars, you have the base price but then extras come along...

Consoles I find are more streamlined than a PC. Put in your game, update if you must then play. Whereas from my own experiences. It was cumbersome to setup some games and to my frustrations I'd find out some games wouldn't work or run properly because I didn't have this driver, that graphics card spec, this Open GL, just wouldn't work etc. Next thing I know, I can't return the games because of the Consumer Protection Act, money wasted. With consoles what you see is what you get and you have that surety that whatever you'll get for it will work.

Lastly, I haven't had the fun I've had on a console on a PC. Nothing really has caught my attention PC wise also. Assetto Corsa looks interesting but it doesn't grab me.

In Germany we say that "when you say A, you must say B". I was meaning, you say you dont like PC gaming but you dont say why...

So your problem is with the hardware. I thought you don´t like the PC sims...

 

[KamyKaze1098]

What do you mean I say A but not B?

To correct my previous statement, I've had a few PCs that could run games. Meaning it had a Graphics Card, decent processor etc.

People have different reasons but I'll speak some of my own as to why I don't have an interest in it. I'm pretty computer savvy and I understand that a PC is stronger than a console graphics and performance wise however it's not my medium of choice. Don't think I'm saying a PC is rubbish.

First off for me is the cost. For my purposes now I want to get a gaming laptop now as opposed to a desktop because I'm constantly moving my current laptop around and I'm also doing work (School, Photos and Video) on the go. That on its own is pricey, R12000/USD$1200 pricey for something decent.. Sure you can build a R4000/USD$400 (Lowest I've seen here in SA actually is R6700 which is a little more expensive than a PS4) tower that can match a PS4 but the common misconception is that people think with this USD$400 they can run Ultra on all their games. If you want the best of the best then you have to spend, over USD$400. Does that price include the monitor, keyboard and other peripherals if you don't have them? I think not. It's like ordering Euro cars, you have the base price but then extras come along...

Consoles I find are more streamlined than a PC. Put in your game, update if you must then play. Whereas from my own experiences. It was cumbersome to setup some games and to my frustrations I'd find out some games wouldn't work or run properly because I didn't have this driver, that graphics card spec, this Open GL, just wouldn't work etc. Next thing I know, I can't return the games because of the Consumer Protection Act, money wasted. With consoles what you see is what you get and you have that surety that whatever you'll get for it will work.

Lastly, I haven't had the fun I've had on a console on a PC. Nothing really has caught my attention PC wise also. Assetto Corsa looks interesting but it doesn't grab me.

You talk about PC's being expensive but in order for me to keep playing racing games on PS4 I would need to spend 400 Euros on PS4 plus what?? 300 to 400 or even 500 Euros on a new wheel??
Well I just spend the 400 Euros of a PS4 on a new Motherboard plus CPU and I'm good to go with my good old G25. And my PC had more than 4 years, though it had a memory upgrade a year ago due to the old ones failing on me. That on PS3 would mean a new PS3.

So don't say it's more expensive.
Now regarding ease of use yes. Agree with you, even if with Steam you got more or less the same way of working

 

[FLX1981]

Tayeez is mostly talking about gaming laptops, so he is definitely right about cost. Also longevity. I ve bought a (then) screaming fast XMG Pro gaming laptop 2.5 years ago that cost me 1750€ back then and nowadays cant run any high profile new game on ultra at solid 30 fps. If you buy a console you know that you will have a machine being able to run any new game without problems for about 3-5 years.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Older cars will be included in games like this for many years to come, though.

That is true Wolfe, you can always create a room or club with H pattern Shifters and Clutch manual transmissions to have an even playing field, I'm old school, I grew up with that as the only option in manual transmissions, but I don't think anyone using an H pattern Shifter and Clutch can compete against someone driving with a sequential paddle shifter, and even if they are that good with it to do it, they are competing with a large disadvantage, that is why the majority of motor sports has made the transition.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Throwing a gear change is more manly though.

LOL! I'm with you JohnScoonsBeard, but we will be in a manly second place. unless like I was saying to @Wolfe

you can always create a room or club with H pattern Shifters and Clutch manual transmissions to have an even playing field

I don't think anyone using an H pattern Shifter and Clutch can compete against someone driving with a sequential paddle shifter, and even if they are that good with it to do it, they are competing with a large disadvantage

I will eventually get a Thrustmaster T300 RS (with Clutch and Shifter), because I Love Classic Cars, but right now I am waiting to see what Project Cars is like, so I'm being Cheap. But I will definitely get the whole Set-Up Clutch & Shifter for Gran Turismo 7 late 2015 or early 2016. (Plus the price should drop by then too). Win Win!

 

[Wolfe]

@Haulin_Hebrew -- I was thinking more in terms of accuracy...if racing titles continue to simulate sportscars from the 20th century, gaming wheel manufacturers ought to provide the option of an H-pattern shifter. For this reason, I think H-pattern shifters could remain relevant in the sim racing world.

 

[mister dog]

I'm still doubting, currently playing GAS with the controller again because it's easy and i don't feel like pulling out my wheel and setting it up all the time. I map the pad so i accelerate and brake with the 2 joysticks and it gives you good throttle/brake control, almost at the level of using pedals.

I enjoy playing with a wheel but seeing it's more occasional maybe i'll just take the easy and cheaper way and buy a PS4/ Xbone and stick to pad use.

One thing is for sure though; i learned my lesson with this consumer scam and if i stick to consoles i'm never buying a wheel again.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You talk about PC's being expensive but in order for me to keep playing racing games on PS4 I would need to spend 400 Euros on PS4 plus what?? 300 to 400 or even 500 Euros on a new wheel??
Well I just spend the 400 Euros of a PS4 on a new Motherboard plus CPU and I'm good to go with my good old G25. And my PC had more than 4 years, though it had a memory upgrade a year ago due to the old ones failing on me. That on PS3 would mean a new PS3.

So don't say it's more expensive.
Now regarding ease of use yes. Agree with you, even if with Steam you got more or less the same way of working

Agreed. For me, going to next gen was the same price as buying a good gaming PC and keeping my nearly new G27. And for the same price I have access to every great racing sim ever made, except the GT series and on console I'd have access to PCars and GT7 eventually, but not every great racing sim ever made. No cost to play online with PC, games are cheaper and always backwards compatible to my knowledge and of course, the physics and FFB cannot be beat, at least not yet anyway. The level of customization and for me therefore immersion, is infinitely higher in PC gaming.

It's not for everyone to go to PC that's for sure, it isn't plug and play, but if I can figure this stuff out, not being computer savvy in the least, pretty much anyone can

 

[mister dog]

Agreed. For me, going to next gen was the same price as buying a good gaming PC and keeping my nearly new G27. And for the same price I have access to every great racing sim ever made, except the GT series and on console I'd have access to PCars and GT7 eventually, but not every great racing sim ever made. No cost to play online with PC, games are cheaper and always backwards compatible to my knowledge and of course, the physics and FFB cannot be beat, at least not yet anyway. The level of customization and for me therefore immersion, is infinitely higher in PC gaming.

It's not for everyone to go to PC that's for sure, it isn't plug and play, but if I can figure this stuff out, not being computer savvy in the least, pretty much anyone can

Maybe i'll get a next gen console when prices are near 300€ next year and a pc in the future for around 500 (don't need ultra on everything); strictly for sim racing and wheel usage.

That way you have the best of both worlds and your wheel isn't forced to gather dust thanks to Sony and MS.

 

[TayeezSA]

In Germany we say that "when you say A, you must say B". I was meaning, you say you dont like PC gaming but you dont say why...

So your problem is with the hardware. I thought you don´t like the PC sims...

I learned something new today Yeah it's hardware. Even now, my current laptop will pull a swift exit if I decide to make an effect intensive 2 minute video, instagram type effects though. Which is funny. Don't get me wrong though, I think AC and the other sims look and feel great.

You talk about PC's being expensive but in order for me to keep playing racing games on PS4 I would need to spend 400 Euros on PS4 plus what?? 300 to 400 or even 500 Euros on a new wheel??
Well I just spend the 400 Euros of a PS4 on a new Motherboard plus CPU and I'm good to go with my good old G25. And my PC had more than 4 years, though it had a memory upgrade a year ago due to the old ones failing on me. That on PS3 would mean a new PS3.

So don't say it's more expensive.
Now regarding ease of use yes. Agree with you, even if with Steam you got more or less the same way of working

Tayeez is mostly talking about gaming laptops, so he is definitely right about cost. Also longevity. I ve bought a (then) screaming fast XMG Pro gaming laptop 2.5 years ago that cost me 1750€ back then and nowadays cant run any high profile new game on ultra at solid 30 fps. If you buy a console you know that you will have a machine being able to run any new game without problems for about 3-5 years.

Thank you @FLX1981:tup:

@KamyKaze1098 it's not just the motherboard and CPU, what about the supporting components if you're starting from scratch or upgrading what is old? It adds up doesn't it? In a few cases it can be pricey. However I'm speaking more in terms of a laptop. I'd get a desktop if I could but it wouldn't be a smart idea for me seeing as I move around.

I'd rate for the PS4 if you don't have a wheel and you want to get one then I guess it's ok but the ideal for Wheel Support still stands in my books for Logitech and Fanatec. However I wonder how this lawsuit will conclude seeing as Sony isn't saying anything. Their silence means that they don't want to influence their case and the judgement, especially with public opinion coming about.

 

[Wolfe]

The thing about cost is you only need a high performance PC if you want to play games with hefty visuals right now. If you use a real computer for your digital needs instead of a phone, you can always play the PC sims of yesteryear.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

I learned something new today Yeah it's hardware. Even now, my current laptop will pull a swift exit if I decide to make an effect intensive 2 minute video, instagram type effects though. Which is funny. Don't get me wrong though, I think AC and the other sims look and feel great.






Thank you @FLX1981:tup:

@KamyKaze1098 it's not just the motherboard and CPU, what about the supporting components if you're starting from scratch or upgrading what is old? It adds up doesn't it? In a few cases it can be pricey. However I'm speaking more in terms of a laptop. I'd get a desktop if I could but it wouldn't be a smart idea for me seeing as I move around.

I'd rate for the PS4 if you don't have a wheel and you want to get one then I guess it's ok but the ideal for Wheel Support still stands in my books for Logitech and Fanatec. However I wonder how this lawsuit will conclude seeing as Sony isn't saying anything. Their silence means that they don't want to influence their case and the judgement, especially with public opinion coming about.

If you know what to buy it will last you as much as a Console and when you upgrade you can upgrade only parts, and not a new console + wheel.
And as I said, if 1 component burns it's cheaper to replace than to buy a new console.

EDIT: Oh, and when a component burns you can switch it for a better one

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

If you know what to buy it will last you as much as a Console and when you upgrade you can upgrade only parts, and not a new console + wheel.
And as I said, if 1 component burns it's cheaper to replace than to buy a new console.

EDIT: Oh, and when a component burns you can switch it for a better one

Personally I have found PC gaming to be more expensive.

Budget creep - I always end up spending much more on hardware than the initial plan e.g. @Johnnypenso tells you to get a gtx970 graphics card. You know you weren't planning on it but hey "ultra" settings would be great wouldn't it....

I've never had one console get a problem in terms of physical hardware or virus problems. Personally I've had multiple power supplies die, multiple hard disks die, wireless keyboards, memory, fans, soundcards, mice all die, and then there's drivers and viruses..... I know things are better than they were but it still needs you to keep up with tech knowledge/windows and be very structured about where you store mods/software to use a PC for gaming. I'm tech savvy due to my previous career but it can be a pain. However Consoles give that immediate kick. It all works straight away.

If I had the money I would ABSOLUTELY get a super laptop capable of running Project Cars on maximum AS WELL as the PS4 I already own. However cost dictates that won't happen for a year or two. So when it's a choice for me, currently the PS4 wins.

I still think the Steamboxes (if they ever come out) will be a godsend for console/lounge/living room gamers as long as they allow you to connect to the same online game communities/servers as PC's.

For now I'll have to "settle" for a PS4 for Project Cars and Game Stock Car Extreme on my non hyper laptop.

 

[Johnnypenso]

@KamyKaze1098 it's not just the motherboard and CPU, what about the supporting components if you're starting from scratch or upgrading what is old? It adds up doesn't it? In a few cases it can be pricey. However I'm speaking more in terms of a laptop. I'd get a desktop if I could but it wouldn't be a smart idea for me seeing as I move around.

I'd rate for the PS4 if you don't have a wheel and you want to get one then I guess it's ok but the ideal for Wheel Support still stands in my books for Logitech and Fanatec. However I wonder how this lawsuit will conclude seeing as Sony isn't saying anything. Their silence means that they don't want to influence their case and the judgement, especially with public opinion coming about.

Personally I have found PC gaming to be more expensive.

Budget creep - I always end up spending much more on hardware than the initial plan e.g. @Johnnypenso tells you to get a gtx970 graphics card. You know you weren't planning on it but hey "ultra" settings would be great wouldn't it....

I've never had one console get a problem in terms of physical hardware or virus problems. Personally I've had multiple power supplies die, multiple hard disks die, wireless keyboards, memory, fans, soundcards, mice all die, and then there's drivers and viruses..... I know things are better than they were but it still needs you to keep up with tech knowledge/windows and be very structured about where you store mods/software to use a PC for gaming. I'm tech savvy due to my previous career but it can be a pain. However Consoles give that immediate kick. It all works straight away.

If I had the money I would ABSOLUTELY get a super laptop capable of running Project Cars on maximum AS WELL as the PS4 I already own. However cost dictates that won't happen for a year or two. So when it's a choice for me, currently the PS4 wins.

I still think the Steamboxes (if they ever come out) will be a godsend for console/lounge/living room gamers as long as they allow you to connect to the same online game communities/servers as PC's.

For now I'll have to "settle" for a PS4 for Project Cars and Game Stock Car Extreme on my non hyper laptop.

PC gaming can be done on a budget and many people do (I almost did) but when you have options and you can literally add everything or anything, it's sometimes hard to resist. PC gaming is definitely not for someone who really wants plug-and-play because it takes some tinkering and lots of patience, or at least it did for me, to get everything set up right and working. You need to be a pro-surfer to wade through all the conflicting information you get online as well.

Of course once you fire it up and take a lap around any track in any car, bass pumping, surround sound lighting up your ears, feeling every subtle nuance on the track through your wheel, thrashing through the gears, heeling and toeing in the older cars, the pure joy from the level of immersion you get while driving makes it all worthwhile

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

PC gaming can be done on a budget and many people do (I almost did) but when you have options and you can literally add everything or anything, it's sometimes hard to resist. PC gaming is definitely not for someone who really wants plug-and-play because it takes some tinkering and lots of patience, or at least it did for me, to get everything set up right and working. You need to be a pro-surfer to wade through all the conflicting information you get online as well.

Of course once you fire it up and take a lap around any track in any car, bass pumping, surround sound lighting up your ears, feeling every subtle nuance on the track through your wheel, thrashing through the gears, heeling and toeing in the older cars, the pure joy from the level of immersion you get while driving makes it all worthwhile

Absolutely, I get the same thing on my old PC with GSCE and GTR2. That's why I'm looking forward so much to getting a proper sim that does that on PS4 as it will simply get more use. As I have to move the laptop into the lounge and plug everything in (and out) each session PS4 is so much easier. If I could persuade my wife that the dining room really needs to become my fully upgraded mancave I'd have Project Cars twice (along with a Batpole like automatic costume changer to slip into racerace overalls and helmet)

 

[Awong124]

For me, I don't play racing games on my PC simply because I find it inconvenient. I have a pretty capable gaming PC, and I play a lot of other types of games on it. The wheel is always in the way when I want to type with the keyboard. I've tried it and I didn't like it. After about a couple of weeks with that setup, I started getting pains in my arm from having to type or use the mouse in some weird position. The only way I would play racing games on PC for an extended period of time is if I buy another PC dedicated for it, and I can't justify spending money on that when I already have a console.

 

[Johnnypenso]

For me, I don't play racing games on my PC simply because I find it inconvenient. I have a pretty capable gaming PC, and I play a lot of other types of games on it. The wheel is always in the way when I want to type with the keyboard. I've tried it and I didn't like it. After about a couple of weeks with that setup, I started getting pains in my arm from having to type or use the mouse in some weird position. The only way I would play racing games on PC for an extended period of time is if I buy another PC dedicated for it, and I can't justify spending money on that when I already have a console.

There's a huge advantage in having your own cockpit and setting it up to avoid those issues. A wireless keyboard you can grab and throw in your lap, a mouse pad on the keyboard so you can avoid the separate mouse if need be.

 

[Awong124]

There's a huge advantage in having your own cockpit and setting it up to avoid those issues. A wireless keyboard you can grab and throw in your lap, a mouse pad on the keyboard so you can avoid the separate mouse if need be.

I do have my own cockpit setup. The problem is when I want to play non-racing games. The steering wheel is always in the way of everything. And even just surfing the net with a 32" TV as a monitor less than 3 feet in front of my face is not pleasant.

 

[Speedy__17]

Does anybody have any experiences with the Thrustmaster T80? I know it's cheap and doesn't have FFB, but I don't have the money for a T300RS right now.

 

[iQuacks]

Does anybody have any experiences with the Thrustmaster T80? I know it's cheap and doesn't have FFB, but I don't have the money for a T300RS right now.

Here's a whole thread on the T80.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/trustmaster-t80-wheel-discussion-q-a.317635/

 

[Speedy__17]

Here's a whole thread on the T80.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/trustmaster-t80-wheel-discussion-q-a.317635/

Thanks. I'll check it out.

EDIT: Doesn't sound too impressive. I've read good and bad reviews now. Might just start saving money in order to get a T300RS.

 

[JohnScoonsBeard]

Thanks. I'll check it out.

EDIT: Doesn't sound too impressive. I've read good and bad reviews now. Might just start saving money in order to get a T300RS.

The T100 is going to be a better bet as it has FFB and isn't much more expensive than the T80. It is supported by Project Cars and will work in the PCars menus. It just won't operate the PS4 menus but you'll be able to use the controller for that.

 

[mister dog]

Gentlemen; i present you the future: the Alienware Alpha. A little steam box that can be used both as a pc and a 'console' for pc games. 550 dollars, specs more or less on par with PS4 and Xbone and ready out of the box:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2850...ngly-good-tiny-pc-and-console-complement.html

If more of these type of gaming pc's come out next year around the same price mark but with improvements like a removable GPU, i'll pick up one of those and my wheels will work fine on it with PCARS downloaded from steam 👍

 

[paulpg87]

Gentlemen; i present you the future: the Alienware Alpha. A little steam box that can be used both as a pc and a 'console' for pc games. 550 dollars, specs more or less on par with PS4 and Xbone and ready out of the box:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2850...ngly-good-tiny-pc-and-console-complement.html

If more of these type of gaming pc's come out next year around the same price mark but with improvements like a removable GPU, i'll pick up one of those and my wheels will work fine on it with PCARS downloaded from steam 👍

here in italy still cheaper to buy a t300 wheel and a ps4 instead of that (which is overpriced)

Thanks. I'll check it out.

EDIT: Doesn't sound too impressive. I've read good and bad reviews now. Might just start saving money in order to get a T300RS.

t100 has ffb for 20€+, however both are bad wheels with poor quality. way under a dfgt. tried the t100, it sucks.

 

[mister dog]

here in italy still cheaper to buy a t300 wheel and a ps4 instead of that (which is overpriced)

550 dollars is 447 euros
T300 = 399 euros + PS4= 399 euros, total = 798 euros - 447 you save 351 euros with the Alpha.