Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

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skazz
yeah right now it's a hard choice if you have €350 to spend... The T500 is the more complete set with excellent pedals, very powerful FFB and the unique fixed paddles and bigger (30cm) rim combination, but the T300 has full (instead of only in-game) PS4 compatibility, more modern motor tech, and comes with the excellent 28cm rim with moving paddles. I like them both for different things, although if I had to choose the T300 would just edge it, as long as I could use different pedals :)

That pricing kind of implies that Thrustmaster might well be deliberately selling off T500 stock, and if anything the lack of T300 availability supports that hypothesis, so there really is a chance that the T500 is being discontinued by the end of the year. Which would be annoying because the T500 pedals are so much better and aren't available separately yet. Still, it's anyone's guess right now what Thrustmaster will do next: I don't believe they would want a steady-state where the T300 and T500 compete directly on price....
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Or we can hope that Thrustmaster fills the G27 void and gives us a kit with pedals and shifter for the same price as a new G27. One can dream
 
TayeezSA
Or we can hope that Thrustmaster fills the G27 void and gives us a kit with pedals and shifter for the same price as a new G27. One can dream
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I'm thinking a T200 with cog drive, 900 degrees of rotation and a simple 2 pedal set would be a logical €150 GT7-branded wheel to release next year. But I really don't see Thrustmaster being able to offer a set with full shifter, 3 pedals and brushless belt-drive in the €250 price category....

They are a much smaller company than Logitech (Logitech had $2 billion in revenue for 2013, Thrustmaster/Guillemot €40 million) and it's abundantly clear that logistically getting wheels out to a global market is taxing for their manufacturing processes.
 
skazz
I'm thinking a T200 with cog drive, 900 degrees of rotation and a simple 2 pedal set would be a logical €150 GT7-branded wheel to release next year. But I really don't see Thrustmaster being able to offer a set with full shifter, 3 pedals and brushless belt-drive in the €250 price category....

They are a much smaller company than Logitech (Logitech had $2 billion in revenue for 2013, Thrustmaster/Guillemot €40 million) and it's abundantly clear that logistically getting wheels out to a global market is taxing for their manufacturing processes.
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A T200 is exactly what I want, and I imagine there are a lot of people who are also looking to fill their DFGT hole without splashing £200+
 
skazz
I'm thinking a T200 with cog drive, 900 degrees of rotation and a simple 2 pedal set would be a logical €150 GT7-branded wheel to release next year. But I really don't see Thrustmaster being able to offer a set with full shifter, 3 pedals and brushless belt-drive in the €250 price category....

They are a much smaller company than Logitech (Logitech had $2 billion in revenue for 2013, Thrustmaster/Guillemot €40 million) and it's abundantly clear that logistically getting wheels out to a global market is taxing for their manufacturing processes.
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Yours can be like a T150RS or something like that. I like the idea
Or this, my thoughts:

Thrustmaster T200RS.
  • Cog Driven FFB
  • 900 Degrees of Rotation
  • Plastic 3 pedal set (Spring operated Accel and Clutch with gas damper for the brake pedal and rumble motors.)
  • Basic H pattern shifter (Like CSR Shifter Set)
  • PS4 & PS3 Compatibility
  • Non Detachable 30cm Steering wheel with moving paddle shifters (Debating this as it can reduce the cost significantly...)
  • Can be GT7 branded
  • On wheel PS4 button setup.
All for the price of R3500!!! Or 200 Quid / 250 Euro / $320 US

I get that Thrustmaster is more of like a Boutique Racing Wheel manufacturer but since it looks like they'll be one of the main wheel manufacturers now they need to make themselves bigger. This is one good way to do so, along with worldwide distribution. Plus, let's not forget Fanatec competition. I'd buy a T200RS if it is like that!

I think this deserves a video....
 
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TayeezSA
Yours can be like a T150RS or something like that. I like the idea
Or this, my thoughts:

Thrustmaster T200RS.
  • Cog Driven FFB
  • 900 Degrees of Rotation
  • Plastic 3 pedal set (Spring operated Accel and Clutch with gas damper for the brake pedal and rumble motors.)
  • Basic H pattern shifter (Like CSR Shifter Set)
  • PS4 & PS3 Compatibility
  • Non Detachable 30cm Steering wheel with moving paddle shifters (Debating this as it can reduce the cost significantly...)
  • Can be GT7 branded
  • On wheel PS4 button setup.
All for the price of R3500!!! Or 200 Quid / 250 Euro / $320 US

I get that Thrustmaster is more of like a Boutique Racing Wheel manufacturer but since it looks like they'll be one of the main wheel manufacturers now they need to make themselves bigger. This is one good way to do so, along with worldwide distribution. Plus, let's not forget Fanatec competition. I'd buy a T200RS if it is like that!

I think this deserves a video....
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Wouldn't make a lot of sense for TM to have more features in a cheaper wheel, even if the quality is lower. You might get most of this but not the 3 pedals and shifter at that price point. It would shoot the T300RS in the foot to begin with, a better wheel, but no shifter and no clutch and more money. I think you'd be more likely to see something like this

1. Cog Wheel, 2 pedals, fixed steering wheel - $US 249
2. T300RS, 2 pedals, changable steering wheel - $US 349
and then up from there with various pedal and shifter options added in, package deals etc.

My guess is that if the T300 is well received the T500 will get a brushless motor option, probably an additional $50 or so.

I think we got spoiled by the DFGT and G27 and you're not likely to see price points like that again, unless a bigger manufacturer with the proper contacts and distribution networks already in place jumps into the game.
 
Is it any cheaper to make a 720° wheel? Let's be honest, how often do you go to full 2.5 turn lock with your wheel? And I think a H pattern and clutch pedal would just add unnecessary costs to a wheel in this range. Without these extra costs, it may also be possible to use better materials, have better motors and proper paddles. In my situation I wouldn't be willing to pay much more than £150 (don't know the conversions to $/€/RAND)
 
Rash-182
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-05-whats-the-deal-with-ps4-and-xbox-one-steering-wheels
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I believe this is the key question:

The T500 obviously doesn't have this PS4 security chip. So how does it work with DriveClub when other manufacturers' PS3 wheels do not? Unfortunately Thrustmaster declined our request for an interview.
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All the technical mumbo jumbo about why wheels aren't compatible makes perfect sense, until you get to that question then it all falls apart. If one wheel works without the security chip, then as far as I'm concerned they can all work without the security chip.
 
Johnnypenso
I believe this is the key question:



All the technical mumbo jumbo about why wheels aren't compatible makes perfect sense, until you get to that question then it all falls apart. If one wheel works without the security chip, then as far as I'm concerned they can all work without the security chip.
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It's a m$n$y issue as I pointed out before in thread. Just like the PS3 gamepads don't work in PS4 even if PS4 recongizes them, and in PS3 even a chinese knock off you would buy for like 10 euros would work.
 
Johnnypenso
I believe this is the key question:



All the technical mumbo jumbo about why wheels aren't compatible makes perfect sense, until you get to that question then it all falls apart. If one wheel works without the security chip, then as far as I'm concerned they can all work without the security chip.
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Sony got some 'splanin' to do. They've even been silent on the matter
 
Johnnypenso
All the technical mumbo jumbo about why wheels aren't compatible makes perfect sense, until you get to that question then it all falls apart. If one wheel works without the security chip, then as far as I'm concerned they can all work without the security chip.
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Indeed, only proves that we are getting scammed. Fanatec is working on solutions since they joined forces with MS and you will be able to interchange rims to a new on that does hold that bloody chip; but that doesn't work for a CSR and you would have to buy the rim also.

Seeing the old thrustmaster wheel does work without that chip makes the industry excuse fall apart.
That adapter thats out is junk, but i'm sure someone can make a better version that has FFB. At least that's what i hope as i wouldn't mind buying a Xbone for a next gen console. And hopefully fanatec doesn't pretend this is the solution and ignores people with CSR's...
 
^ Yup.

Sony need to pay Logitech money to carry out the job of work called making a PS4 driver for their wheels. Then it can be added to the PS4 dev kit.

Getting them to do that is the tricky bit. They will just blame the situation on someone else. "This is For the Players" my ass.
 
KamyKaze1098
Guys just do what I did. Spend the money on a PC :P

I bought yesterday a new Motherboard and CPU. I'm leaving work now to go and rebuild my PC.

Now I'll run Assetto Corsa really great, and PCars when it's out :)
And it cost me the same as a new PS4.

Bye bye sony and half finished games from PD
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Problem with that is you miss out on the FM and FH series ;)
 
Johnnypenso
I believe this is the key question:
The T500 obviously doesn't have this PS4 security chip. So how does it work with DriveClub when other manufacturers' PS3 wheels do not? Unfortunately Thrustmaster declined our request for an interview.
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All the technical mumbo jumbo about why wheels aren't compatible makes perfect sense, until you get to that question then it all falls apart. If one wheel works without the security chip, then as far as I'm concerned they can all work without the security chip.
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It truly is a ....... travesty. I'm guessing it has simply been a 'political' decision rather than actually being about the security chip.
 
It surely seems like Sony and Thrustmaster are working together to improve bottom line sales. If Sony would open PS4 to Logetech they would sell more units. (enough ???) However, if some bright programer/engineers would make a workable adaptor that world mate G27/G25/DFGT to PS4 for $50-$75 they would make a very large pile of cash. If Sony would do the same they could also make that pile of cash and sell more PS4 units. As for me, I can't justify the purchase of a PS4 and a new wheel for 2-3 (even excellent) racing games. If Microsoft would create a workable FFB match for my G27, I would even consider their console and Forza.
 
The worst part about all this is that none of those disgustingly greedy companies think of the game developers. Under every one of those articles or the one about upcoming PS4 games, you read several comments like "If my my wheel is not supported on PS4, I m not gonna buy it". In the end, it will mean losses of sales for the game developers who cant do anything about it. That is what pisses me off most about all this BS from Sony and Thrustmaster.

I say:

🤬 Sony - unfortunately, I already have my PS4, but this is definitely going to be my last Sony console
🤬 Thrustmaster - for hiding the truth and not caring about their game developing partners
🤬 Logitech - for not giving a 🤬 about their existing customers who gave them their hard earned money. How much is it to code a driver for the G27 to make it work with the PS4 in the same vein as the T500RS? I would reckon a few thousand dollars at max. So there you have it, dear fellow Logitech-shafted racers, that is how much you are NOT worth to Logitech. About as much as 10 G27 sales brought to Logitech.

So none of these companies will ever see another penny from me on the hardware side.
 
I've just read through all 18 pages of this thread and we've basically not got any closer to getting a Logitech wheel working with the PS4, at least not without some form of dongle which I'm sceptical about.

Sony and Logitech need to feel our anger. Instead of making hundreds of posts on various internet forums, we should be contacting them directly via any methods possible and repeatedly asking them why/when/how. I hope that eventually they will then buckle under the pressure.

Personally, I doubt that I'll be buying and further racing games unless I can use my G27. My G27 is not very old, combined with the wheelstand pro it cost me (what I consider to be) a large amount of money. I cannot and will not buy a different wheel or upgrade to a gaming PC, I don't have the available income to spend and because my G27 isn't exactly old I can't justify replacing it yet anyway.

Once GT6 has finally died a death (it pretty much has for me anyway) I'll just play other types of games: GTA, Cod, Fifa....

Sadly the game developers that are concentrating all their efforts on making great racing games won't be getting any of my money through no fault of their own. The problem lies with Sony and Logitech not the game developers.

Does anyone know of any reliable contact details for Sony and Logitech (especially for UK or Europe), either phone numbers, email addresses or hyperlinks to website contact forms? Please post as many as you can find and it would be really great if they could be added to the OP post of this thread and any others regarding the compatibility issues.

It would also be useful if we had the links to all petitions too. I have already signed one petition but I'm assuming that there are possibly more than this out there.

I feel sorry for anyone in the same situation as myself right now, we shouldn't be expected to part with our hardware especially those that have made their hardware purchases within the last year or so. Basically we're in a no win situation at the moment and as each week passes it gets more difficult to make the right decision. Some of you have decided to buy a Thrustmaster, which is damn risky if Sony eventually allow Logitech wheels to be used. Meanwhile anyone holding onto their old Logitech wheel in the hope that it will become compatible may lose a fair chunk of money (depreciation) if Sony continue to alienate Logitech wheels. So until there is a 100% answer given across the board, anyone with a Logitech is in a sticky position.........and gaming is supposed to be fun!!
 
Ian_83
I've just read through all 18 pages of this thread and we've basically not got any closer to getting a Logitech wheel working with the PS4, at least not without some form of dongle which I'm sceptical about.

Sony and Logitech need to feel our anger. Instead of making hundreds of posts on various internet forums, we should be contacting them directly via any methods possible and repeatedly asking them why/when/how. I hope that eventually they will then buckle under the pressure.

Personally, I doubt that I'll be buying and further racing games unless I can use my G27. My G27 is not very old, combined with the wheelstand pro it cost me (what I consider to be) a large amount of money. I cannot and will not buy a different wheel or upgrade to a gaming PC, I don't have the available income to spend and because my G27 isn't exactly old I can't justify replacing it yet anyway.

Once GT6 has finally died a death (it pretty much has for me anyway) I'll just play other types of games: GTA, Cod, Fifa....

Sadly the game developers that are concentrating all their efforts on making great racing games won't be getting any of my money through no fault of their own. The problem lies with Sony and Logitech not the game developers.

Does anyone know of any reliable contact details for Sony and Logitech (especially for UK or Europe), either phone numbers, email addresses or hyperlinks to website contact forms? Please post as many as you can find and it would be really great if they could be added to the OP post of this thread and any others regarding the compatibility issues.

It would also be useful if we had the links to all petitions too. I have already signed one petition but I'm assuming that there are possibly more than this out there.

I feel sorry for anyone in the same situation as myself right now, we shouldn't be expected to part with our hardware especially those that have made their hardware purchases within the last year or so. Basically we're in a no win situation at the moment and as each week passes it gets more difficult to make the right decision. Some of you have decided to buy a Thrustmaster, which is damn risky if Sony eventually allow Logitech wheels to be used. Meanwhile anyone holding onto their old Logitech wheel in the hope that it will become compatible may lose a fair chunk of money (depreciation) if Sony continue to alienate Logitech wheels. So until there is a 100% answer given across the board, anyone with a Logitech is in a sticky position.........and gaming is supposed to be fun!!
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I'm also not in a position to buy a Gaming PC because Income and well I just bought a PS4.... D'oh... Plus I need a Gaming Laptop, which is pricey.

Anything can happen at this point in time. I know for sure that I don't see myself getting a Thrustmaster wheel anytime soon.

It seems Sony and Microsoft these days listen to big Youtubers and the subscribers that follow them. So if enough noise is made through those mediums then like you said they may buckle under pressure.
 
FLX1981
The worst part about all this is that none of those disgustingly greedy companies think of the game developers. Under every one of those articles or the one about upcoming PS4 games, you read several comments like "If my my wheel is not supported on PS4, I m not gonna buy it". In the end, it will mean losses of sales for the game developers who cant do anything about it. That is what pisses me off most about all this BS from Sony and Thrustmaster.

I say:

🤬 Sony - unfortunately, I already have my PS4, but this is definitely going to be my last Sony console
🤬 Thrustmaster - for hiding the truth and not caring about their game developing partners
🤬 Logitech - for not giving a 🤬 about their existing customers who gave them their hard earned money. How much is it to code a driver for the G27 to make it work with the PS4 in the same vein as the T500RS? I would reckon a few thousand dollars at max. So there you have it, dear fellow Logitech-shafted racers, that is how much you are NOT worth to Logitech. About as much as 10 G27 sales brought to Logitech.

So none of these companies will ever see another penny from me on the hardware side.
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Having read the Eurogamer article and the quotes from Mad Catz and Fanatec, I'm at a loss to see where Logitech is at fault here.

Both Mad Catz and Fanatec seem eager to provide peripherals compatible with PS4 but so far have been unable to do so. It seems Sony is withholding the SDK that will allow them to code the drivers.
 
Logitech can't really be blamed for this. They don't support consoles anymore, even though you can still buy their wheels, which do work on PS3 as advertised, they can't really be expected to meet the cost of development for the PS4 drivers.

In my view, as I've already posted, it is down to Sony to pay Logitech to do the development work.
 
FuzzyFassbender
Wow, the lag! He looks to be purposely moving the wheel very slowly so the lag isn't so noticable.
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They made a comment about that below the vid, and he says that's FM5 specific due to the steering animations (which still is one of FM's flaws), so you have the same lag when using the Xbone controller.
 
mister dog
They made a comment about that below the vid, and he says that's FM5 specific due to the steering animations (which still is one of FM's flaws), so you have the same lag when using the Xbone controller.
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I was watching the car movement related to steering input, not the wheel animation. I don't see any real lag in the FM animation, at least in FM5. It would be a good option for those that have incompatible wheels, if it works.
 
mister dog
Problem with that is you miss out on the FM and FH series ;)
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Hmm. No problem there as I never missed not playing all others because I never had an X/Box. lol

PC Sim/Racing is the way to go. Even Assetto Corsa in an unfinished version is more finished than GT6. lol
 
rams1de
Both Mad Catz and Fanatec seem eager to provide peripherals compatible with PS4 but so far have been unable to do so. It seems Sony is withholding the SDK that will allow them to code the drivers.
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No doubt to protect their (probably well-paying) deal with their preferred 3rd party manufacturers.

The whole wheel fiasco is going to hurt any console racers/sims. If people who have wheels now have to spend money on console and a new wheel,you can get a fairly decent PC for the same price.

Sony/MS are turning their consoles into a walled garden, and not in a good way.
 

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