Project CARS - Logitech Wheels NOT Supported on PS4

[sirjim73]

I think Sony's getting the message now though. People are going wild on pretty much all the recent posts on DriveClub about Logitech and Fanatec support. So much so that Evo Studios came up and said this

A sign maybe?

As much as I wish it was true, I am very sceptical.

I feel this is more a case of "- our game is about to come out next week and we want as many sales as possible. If we don't tell people they might be able to play it on their wheels at some later date they won't go out and buy our game next week." Simple marketing. To be fair, it's no different to what everyone else is saying as well so I'm not singling them out here.

I just don't believe it will happen for ANY console game unless people stop buying them.

Me - I'm sticking with my ps3 until I can use my wheel on it. If they lose enough £350 multiples they might listen. It's the only thing that matters in the end (money) but not enough people will do that, I think, to change the situation.

 

[OldF@rt]

As much as I wish it was true, I am very sceptical.

I feel this is more a case of "- our game is about to come out next week and we want as many sales as possible. If we don't tell people they might be able to play it on their wheels at some later date they won't go out and buy our game next week." Simple marketing. To be fair, it's no different to what everyone else is saying as well so I'm not singling them out here.

I just don't believe it will happen for ANY console game unless people stop buying them.

Me - I'm sticking with my ps3 until I can use my wheel on it. If they lose enough £350 multiples they might listen. It's the only thing that matters in the end (money) but not enough people will do that, I think, to change the situation.

Simple response to vendors - "Nice to hear your game will be supporting my wheel in the future. Let me know when that occurs because I won't be buying your game until it does"

 

[OldF@rt]

I think Sony's getting the message now though. People are going wild on pretty much all the recent posts on DriveClub about Logitech and Fanatec support. So much so that Evo Studios came up and said this

A sign maybe?

It says nothing. What it says to me is that as wheel manufacturers make wheels compatible with the PS4 they'll support it (read pay Sony $$$$ to get the magic chip). BFD!!! Nothing about legacy wheels.

So the situation stays the same - if you want to play a driving game on a new generation console (PS4 or XBone) with a wheel you'll need to buy a new wheel not because of any technical reason or obsolescence but because the console manufacturer has decided to extort money from wheel manufacturers and their customers to get access to their consoles. **** that! So what happens when the PS5 or XB2 come out - do we chuck our wheels out again?

 

[OldF@rt]

I have serious doubts you can outperform a ps4 with these specs...

You also forgot to add in windows price and monitor/keyboard mouse, a due expense if a user is new to pc gaming

Keyboards and mice are cheap as chips while I have an NEC 32 inch TV that I use for both consoles and my PC - most modern 1080p TVs will be fine for a PC, especially if the PC has a graphics card with HDMI. Re Windows you should be able to get a cheaper OEM version from the motherboard vendor.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Simple response to vendors - "Nice to hear your game console will be supporting my wheel in the future. Let me know when that occurs because I won't be buying your game console until it does"

Fixed that for you.👍

BTW, double, triple etc. posting around here is frowned upon. Use the "edit" button if you are the last post and want to add something, or the "+quote" button if you want to respond to multiple posters at the same time.

 

[mu22stang]

Should they ban the use of controllers, too?

And by the way, this is a videogame and consoles are toys.

Semantic dispute, eh? Ok, you win.

That said, if they did decide that DS4 development was nonessential to the success of the game, guess what, they would ax those as well.

colleague is just missing that was equal costing almost double, we must also think about the ability of consumer acquisition, this remains a hobby, but rather like you insinuate toys, we would have a car or kart prepared and so would feel a certain race, but most are normal people with normal lives and a normal job duties that meet, and this gets us to avoid this reality so hard and consumerism, which I will not do is deprive me of thousand things more (200 €, not how many pounds are) just to feel what you call him a little more realism that's that, I guess you have not tried the g27 on a PC with a good simulator to speak well of him, you buy a playseat which also worth a fortune, then do not fit the pedal what do we do, we bought another playseat? is that not only is the steering wheel starts to add, is the monthly wage !!!!!! you if you have plenty of money luck, but we did not want to eat the head saying it's better, it's only business.

You gotta pay to play. Everything about this - the console, the game, the wheel - is a luxury. If you cannot afford, or do not want to pay for, the required hardware, that's your issue. Is it wrong for developers to dedicate their resources to something other than a wheel that some, or even most "sim" players have? I genuinely hope this socialistic idea isn't the reason everyone is up in arms about this. It must be said at this point, too bad.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Semantic dispute, eh? Ok, you win.

That said, if they did decide that DS4 development was nonessential to the success of the game, guess what, they would ax those as well.



You gotta pay to play. Everything about this - the console, the game, the wheel - is a luxury. If you cannot afford, or do not want to pay for, the required hardware, that's your issue. Is it wrong for developers to dedicate their resources to something other than a wheel that some, or even most "sim" players have? I genuinely hope this socialistic idea isn't the reason everyone is up in arms about this. It must be said at this point, too bad.

You were going so well until you put "socilaistic" on it.

Oh, you americans...

 

[mu22stang]

Americans

 

[Javi Piqueras]

Me what you mean by that do not give people the choice? because I remember when he left the G27 was not necessary to play, so if it was a luxury if you wanted to feel better the response you were in your simulator and you bought, the difference is that now make it an obligation.
I had the first flyer that came to gt4 logitech, then when he left the Ps3, I played a lot of time with him, and when I changed the DFGT was my choice, I started cojerle point and then want to improve my experience, and that's when hize me a G27, it is clear that I did to improve the sensations, but no one forced me, which I think is really important.

 

[dolande]

Semantic dispute, eh? Ok, you win.

That said, if they did decide that DS4 development was nonessential to the success of the game, guess what, they would ax those as well.



You gotta pay to play. Everything about this - the console, the game, the wheel - is a luxury. If you cannot afford, or do not want to pay for, the required hardware, that's your issue. Is it wrong for developers to dedicate their resources to something other than a wheel that some, or even most "sim" players have? I genuinely hope this socialistic idea isn't the reason everyone is up in arms about this. It must be said at this point, too bad.

Socialistic?
Dude you're so wrong, this is capitalism at maximum. Develop a game so most of the population can play it and you'll make the most money

 

[mu22stang]

Socialistic?
Dude you're so wrong, this is capitalism at maximum. Develop a game so most of the population can play it and you'll make the most money

Getting pretty far off base from a pejorative remark. The point of this game was to fill a void. There are plenty of arcade/simcades for consoles. Make another one simply as a cash cow? Let's have a console game that delivers on the promise of narrowing the gap to pure PC sims please. You may not agree, but spending additional development resources on these weak wheels that simply feel like toys is a waste.

 

[Javi Piqueras]

Is not true, thrusmaster only have one really good wheel,the others Yes are like a toy¿you've noticed the rest of stock plastic pedals? but of course, and they say you only thrusmaster, that is you do not talk about if it is real or if it looks like a toy, or if you have to last for a year or ten, only its sponsorship, which is that we will have to understand it but is not the only brand and there are a lot of people that has none of this brand and we'll see how many buy ityou tell me in a year, if you think you're going to Commission, are you sure you don't work for sony or thrustm...? I jump with policies, social classes, luxuries devaluations... sorry but I will not take more seriously, I and the vast majority we will adapt as we can but not in your way. PD. I hate arrogance.

 

[DrJustice]

Getting pretty far off base from a pejorative remark. The point of this game was to fill a void. There are plenty of arcade/simcades for consoles. Make another one simply as a cash cow? Let's have a console game that delivers on the promise of narrowing the gap to pure PC sims please. You may not agree, but spending additional development resources on these weak wheels that simply feel like toys is a waste.

I disagree with that statement. I'll repeat the controller statistics from WMD:

"A poll for which controllers people use at WMD showed that 60.48% use Logitech wheels (almost all G25 and G27), 6.7% use Thrustmaster wheels, 9.24% use Fanatec wheels, and the rest is a mix of other wheels, pads and keyboard. The poll has 3800 participants. Although the exact percentages may have changed as some have bought another wheel, Logitech "wins" by a landslide, and people are still buying them."

You may consider the Logitechs "weak" and "toys", but most owners will disagree and they are the "standard" wheels among sim racers, and more so among the more casual console based racers. The typical console user is not likely to buy a EUR 1000 Fanatec setup, or indeed a EUR 2000++ DD setup (to get past the "weak" and "toy" level?), none of which are PS4 compatible anyway. That leaves the T500RS and T300 as the only upgrades (still "weak" and "toys"?), and again typical console users aren't likely to be in a hurry to upgrade from a Gxx to a Txxx wheel.

It is anything but a waste to support the Logitech wheels. I believe it would be the best business decision that can be done w.r.t. sales of consoles and games. And of course Logitech would shift ever more of their wheels too. It would be a win for Sony, Logitech and racing game developers who would all get more sales and goodwill, and it would of course be a win for current Logitech owners. And not least it would be a win for reason and decency. You can most definitely keep "socialistic" out of it.

(However, it may still not happen due to not so smart business decisions IMO)

 

[skazz]

My G25 still doesn't feel like a toy even after purchasing Fanatec and Thrustmaster alternatives... but then again fully aluminium clubsport pedals and the Alcantara Porsche rim aren't anywhere close to high end simracing gear

On the other hand, the DFGT always felt pretty toy-like (despite delivering very acceptable FFB in GT5p/GT5 back when I was still using it). Something about the full-on plastic experience triggers the "toy" feel for me.

 

[rb26pat]

well this sucks! this means i have to buy a crappy wheel because i cannot afford the $500 for a thrust master t300

 

[Sele1981]

I think Sony's getting the message now though. People are going wild on pretty much all the recent posts on DriveClub about Logitech and Fanatec support. So much so that Evo Studios came up and said this

A sign maybe?

Looks like Sony shot in their own foot by making that evil deal with Thrustmaster. Now Fanatec has announced the deal with MS today. I hope they can make a deal with Sony too.

 

[paulpg87]

Looks like Sony shot in their own foot by making that evil deal with Thrustmaster. Now Fanatec has announced the deal with MS today. I hope they can make a deal with Sony too.

sony probably takes more money for TM than from players with wheel buying project cars that will probably be such a small % no one care about.


Bought ps4 10 minutes ago with fifa15. will see what happens down to november.

 

[sems4arsenal]

That Fanatec deal sounds promising though, My understanding that the Logitech wheels will be supported by the same ways the Fanatec wheels can.

Maybe @amar212 can shed some light on this.

 

[TayeezSA]

sony probably takes more money for TM than from players with wheel buying project cars that will probably be such a small % no one care about.


Bought ps4 10 minutes ago with fifa15. will see what happens down to november.

God willingly I can get one next week with Driveclub. Annoyed that I can't use my G27 but will see how it all pans out.

That Fanatec deal sounds promising though, My understanding that the Logitech wheels will be supported by the same ways the Fanatec wheels can.

What is this deal you speak of?

 

[sems4arsenal]

God willingly I can get one next week with Driveclub. Annoyed that I can't use my G27 but will see how it all pans out.



What is this deal you speak of?

The Xbone one.

 

[TayeezSA]

The Xbone one.

Links or it didn't happen.

Funny enough, it's a better deal to get an Xbox One here in South Africa as opposed to a PS4 despite the Xbox being released here last week. Still not getting an Xbox though

 

[sems4arsenal]

Links or it didn't happen.

http://www.fanatec.com/forum/discussion/144/fanatec-products-on-xbox-one

 

[TayeezSA]

http://www.fanatec.com/forum/discussion/144/fanatec-products-on-xbox-one

After reading that, I'm waiting to hear this

"Microsoft recently announced Fanatec peripherals support for the Xbox One and Sony has now in retaliation to such announced that racing wheels that have previously worked on the Playstation 3 console will now work on the Playstation 4 with full functionality. The influx of complaints seems to have made Sony make some quick decisions in order to have some sort of damage control. Just goes to show that the customers are king."

Imagine that

 

[sems4arsenal]

After reading that, I'm waiting to hear this

"Microsoft recently announced Fanatec peripherals support for the Xbox One and Sony has now in retaliation to such announced that racing wheels that have previously worked on the Playstation 3 console will now work on the Playstation 4 with full functionality. The influx of complaints seems to have made Sony make some quick decisions in order to have some sort of damage control. Just goes to show that the customers are king."

Imagine that

That's what I'm hoping would happen, SOny would retaliate and throw in Logitech support while they're at it and everybody wins. One could hope.

 

[MJRL]

That Fanatec deal sounds promising though, My understanding that the Logitech wheels will be supported by the same ways the Fanatec wheels can.

Maybe @amar212 can shed some light on this.

That deal it's for new wheel base, the older wheels still not working, except pedals and gear shifters, that could be attached to the new base. That deal its for the new CS Base V2, and you still have to buy a Rim for XB1 or PS4.

 

[sems4arsenal]

That deal it's for new wheel base, the older wheels still not working, except pedals and gear shifters, that could be attached to the new base. That deal its for the new CS Base V2, and you still have to buy a Rim for XB1 or PS4.

Are you sure about this? I think you're right but they worded that the old peripherals will also work.

 

[skazz]

Are you sure about this? I think you're right but they worded that the old peripherals will also work.

Um no... They reworded it (see the GTP Fanatec thread for details). This is just an announcement that with a compatible wheel base (CSWv2) and rim (forthcoming Xbox One rim) you can have Xbox One support, and your old pedals and shifter will still work.

So an outlay of €900-1000 for a new wheelbase and rim will get you Xbox One support but at least you can reuse your clubsport pedals or SQ shifter.....

Older Fanatec wheels like the Porsche, CSR and CSWv1 don't have the Xbox One capability....

 

[sems4arsenal]

Um no... They reworded it (see the GTP Fanatec thread for details). This is just an announcement that with a compatible wheel base (CSWv2) and rim (forthcoming Xbox One rim) you can have Xbox One support, and your old pedals and shifter will still work.

So an outlay of €900-1000 for a new wheelbase and rim will get you Xbox One support but at least you can reuse your clubsport pedals or SQ shifter.....

Older Fanatec wheels like the Porsche, CSR and CSWv1 don't have the Xbox One capability....

Well that's a letdown

 

[tribolik]

Getting pretty far off base from a pejorative remark. The point of this game was to fill a void. There are plenty of arcade/simcades for consoles. Make another one simply as a cash cow? Let's have a console game that delivers on the promise of narrowing the gap to pure PC sims please. You may not agree, but spending additional development resources on these weak wheels that simply feel like toys is a waste.

I Agree and I will even say more...

Lets just pick the best wheel in the market and make them spend no more development resources on any other wheel...

Better yet... name your wheel and make them remove the support to all others...

 

[Johnnypenso]

I Agree and I will even say more...

Lets just pick the best wheel in the market and make them spend no more development resources on any other wheel...

Better yet... name your wheel and make them remove the support to all others...

How about Sony develop one wheel and that's the only one supported ever....and it's $1000.00...and doesn't work on PC either